AGR Carto Tank

[simplyxtwisted]

I'm really intrigued by these tanks, but the amount of frustration people have had with them is a bit concerning.

That and I'd love to see if not a polypro version if not a pyrex version. A glass version of the AGR or UDCT would be fabulous.

 

[Alexander.Avery]

So I put this tank away for awhile when I could not get it to work right. It would leak all over the place and I also had a issue with the post in the base being too long. After a couple months I ordered a Tank Air Controller from MadVapes for my Protank. Then I had a idea. And it worked and I have not had any issues so far.

1st change I made was I now am using boge stranded cartomizers before i was using smoktek XL (not sure if is made a difference Just want to post everything I did.

2nd Change was what someone said before to take a the rubber clear o-ring from a clearomizer driptip and I put that around by carto before I put it in the bottom of the tank.

3rd Change was that I took the Tank Air Controller and replaced the base part that the carto screws into.

So far the tank has not leaked with the changes of 1&2 and now it will fit on my vamo without ruining my post.
Here are some pics of it

 

[jmarch305]

I had the same flooding problems everyone here had with the AGR. I finally just rigged a filler bottle with a 18 gauge needle and filled using the hole in the top cap. Bazinga, it workes without a hitch. Kind of finickey that you cant fill with the top cap off and put the top cap on, even with the filler screw out, but it works great now.

 

[Samurai Seven]

I'm really intrigued by these tanks, but the amount of frustration people have had with them is a bit concerning.

That and I'd love to see if not a polypro version if not a pyrex version. A glass version of the AGR or UDCT would be fabulous.

I just saw yesterday that apparently there IS a Pyrex version now...the AGR+ tank. Scheduled to be reviewed by Phil Busardo.

Youde NEW AGR+ Pyrex Carto Stainless Tank with Locking Base [gv-AGR+PyrexCartoTank-Stainless] - $18.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

I just got my first AGR tank this week (NOT the AGR+, just the regular AGR) and have been using it for about a day or so now. I had flooding issues as well, but I believe that was related to the carto slot being too large as I am using the new (they're new to me anyway?) Boge XL laser slotted cartos in it. Once I covered up a portion of the slot and restricted the juice flow into the carto a bit, the flooding seems to have stopped (so far anyway). At this point I'd say my bad experiences with the AGR tank were user error/carto related and not the tank. We shall see. I still don't fully trust it and remove the tank from my Vamo and leave it in a shot glass over night in case it decides to leak.

 

[Thompson]

I've had both of my plastic xl tanks crack now, around the threads. Odd as I exclusively use unflavored, so no chance of citric acid or cinnamon contact.

Neither of the regular sized tanks show any signs of failure though.

 

[A_666_K9]

I just saw yesterday that apparently there IS a Pyrex version now...the AGR+ tank. Scheduled to be reviewed by Phil Busardo.

Youde NEW AGR+ Pyrex Carto Stainless Tank with Locking Base [gv-AGR+PyrexCartoTank-Stainless] - $18.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

I just got my first AGR tank this week (NOT the AGR+, just the regular AGR) and have been using it for about a day or so now. I had flooding issues as well, but I believe that was related to the carto slot being too large as I am using the new (they're new to me anyway?) Boge XL laser slotted cartos in it. Once I covered up a portion of the slot and restricted the juice flow into the carto a bit, the flooding seems to have stopped (so far anyway). At this point I'd say my bad experiences with the AGR tank were user error/carto related and not the tank. We shall see. I still don't fully trust it and remove the tank from my Vamo and leave it in a shot glass over night in case it decides to leak.

I received the AGR+ last week, and from my own experience the flooding issues still persist. Using 50/50 juice I've tried 3 different cartos... Boge Slotted, Self punched, and Boge pre-punched (2 hole MUCH MUCH smaller holes)... The slotted and self punched cartos BOTH flooded like crazy any way i filled it (fill hole or w/ top cap & fill hole screw removed). Even loosening the locking base to allow a bit more air didn't work.

I seem to have a LITTLE more luck with the pre punched 2-hole but it STILL floods, I get around 7-10 decent pulls before I can hear and feel the gurgling... inverting, blowing and burning out excess works but it isn't a fix... I don't have a singe hole pre-punched boge but if I can steal one from a friend MAY try that...

* It probably doesn't make a difference but I'm currently working with the shorter lower vol. tank as my tall one came cracked and I'm waiting on a replacement

** I AM a noob but I have had ZERO issues with either my SMOK DCT or U-DCT... I figure that the AGR+ or any other tank can't be that different in design. I'll continue to fiddle and will report any success but my patience is wearing thin with this one...

 

[devoker]

Carto tank doesn't effect flooding if filled correctly. Maybe your punch hole is too big?

 

[A_666_K9]

Carto tank doesn't effect flooding if filled correctly. Maybe your punch hole is too big?

Understood... and if my ability to re-fill other tanks w/ zero flooding is a testament to properly filling a tank then I BELIEVE I may have it down, but again I'm a NOOB so I'll keep reading watching and trying. As for the punch hole, as I said in my post I've gotten progressively smaller and am now using the factory (laser punched) boges which, for my other tank/ juice combos, have been too small... I'm thinking I need to either go with the single hole or punch my own T-I-N-Y hole(s)? but thats more $ and time than I'm thinking I care to spend on a relatively low budget carto tank...

 

[klogw]

I've put away and pulled back out my Pyrex AGR tank 5 times over the past 2 months. When I first got it it seemed like a thing of beauty. No leaks, no problems. Then I refilled it, through the top refill hole, and bang-leaks every time now. I've tried small holes (dry carto), punch two small holes (leaking), punch one big hole (leaking), punch hole up higher (dry carto), punch two holes up high (leaking). I'm going to try pre-punched Boge cartos and see what happens (it could always have been puncher/user error). If the factory punched parts don't work then AGR tank might have an appointment with sidewalk cement.

 

[Tudius]

Gotta fill it properly to fix flooding with an AGR. When you replace the top cap, take the fill screw out and screw it on slowly.

If you fill it via the fill screw hole, don't block the flow of air. Leave a gap between the syringe and bottle so air can escape the AGR tank.

 

[Xorxand]

Hi All,

Sorry to hear that so many of you are having the same problem I did. I say did because of something that was pointed out very early on in this thread. I have tried a few things to see what is going right and wrong for me. So I'm just just going to sum up a few things that I read here.

1. Your tank must be completely sealed in order to work effectively. I assembled the tank without carto and tried this. put my finger over one end hole (top or bottom) and put the other end of the tank in my mouth until half the tank is in there(please don't make dirty jokes here its immature). Suck on the tank, if you have and leaks then your seals are kaplunked. Turn the tank around and repeat the process. You may need test with and without the fill hole screw in place to see if air is leaking around the screw.

2. do the above with just the carto only but remember to block all visible holes. Testing for bad manufacturing.

3. tricky but possible, assemble carto and tank without the locking ring. repeat (1.). this is where I found that air is leaking in via the seal around the base of the tank. The carto seals in the tank top and bottom are only rubber and will have at times a small about of give or leaking. Excessive air leaks lead to flooding and leaking juice and headaches and loss of income, well maybe not loss of income but its a pain in the rear when its not working right.

So as suggested earlier. I took another o-ring from something else and put on the thread end of the carto and then back into the tank. no leaks no fuss....so far. Not holding in a vape that long, to find out.

Bottom line. Vacuum=good. Air leaking=bad.

I'm not saying this is the right answer for everyone but it worked for me. Also good to note that not all juices are plastic/rubber friendly and while your tank is working great one day.....insert random juice disaster story here.

I hope you all get your AGR's working.

 

[HappiVappi]

Got my AGR+ (Pyrex version) and a set of slotted boge carto's from kidneypuncher.com on Friday. Filled the tank observing all tips as seen in pbusardo's video and yet I ended up with a flooded carto and a leaking tank shortly thereafter.
Took the whole thing apart and used an ultrafine needle to suck some juice from the carto, put it back together. I used that ultrafine needle to fill the tank to about half. I noticed that the top of the carto became much more saturated, which shows that even with a really thin needle the pressure builds up and pushes juice into the carto. That also means that if you start the process with a fully saturated carto, flooding it is almost guaranteed. I let the whole thing sit and vent for a couple of minutes before installing the drip tip and then closing the fill hole.
No flooding and no leaking. Good thing. It vapes OK, Flavor is there, but it does not really make me jump up and down either. What I don't like is the heat build-up at the drip tip. Maybe I am just very sensitive, but I prefer a cooler vape.
I have to refill in an hour or so. Let's see how that goes, but this tank might end up in the classifieds, because I really have an issue with the hot drip tip.

Cheers.

 

[MacTechVpr]

There seems to be no way to avoid the inevitable break-in period for these tanks. That is, the original polycarb version. After trying an assortment of tape and o-ring fixes the locking base marries up real up nice after the wear-and-tear of reseating from clearing all those leaks. LOL As one poster noted: Vacuum=good. Air leaking=bad. Make sure your tank is well sealed. There is the one caveat; too tight and you will probably shatter the polycarb tank taking it off. The AGR+ is nearly flawless and refills easily with little risk of leaks by just removing the top cap. Just don't like the form factor as much as the original. No need to shy away from either. Both are a great bargain. So much so my collection seems to be growing as fast as fav flavors in my daily rotation!

 

[HappiVappi]

My refill went bonkers. Using the same procedure as Friday, but with flooding and leaking again. This is ridiculous.
" Break in period"? Really? Sorry mate, but I don't buy that. I am not an veteran vaper by all means, but I think the tank design has a serious flaw. I am going to get rid of it ASAP.

 

[BigGeigs]

I just order an AGR+ and reading all this is making me nervous...

 

[HappiVappi]

I just order an AGR+ and reading all this is making me nervous...

Sorry about that. I have no idea what the ratio between no problem owners and people like me, but what sets made off is that there seems no pattern between success and total failure with this tank/carto combo.
Will sell mine for sure, if I can.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I have 5 AGR's and 3 AGR+'s...No issues with any of them. I use Boge cartos and punch my own holes. I've filled using the hole and I've filled with the top off...either way, no issues. Every time I fill, I invert the tank and get the air bubble over the hole in the carto and blow out any excess....just out of habit. I always punch 2 holes...same as I do with any tank I own. I've had these tanks for months and have never had any issues. I've never mofified any of them until I read this thread today...swapping the screw around in the base actually does make it sit flush on my device. Thats the one thing that bugged me about the AGR...the gap. I can't for the life of me see how one can blame the heat to the drip tip on a carto tank. That would be the carto or too high of a setting on a device, no? I'm surprised by the flooding issues....I'm sure some are user error but it seems some veteran carto users are having the same problems. Maybe a bad batch went out but I've always associated a flooded carto with poorly punched holes.

 

[HappiVappi]

^^^ Apparently you did not read my post properly. Not a word of blaming the carto for the hot drip tip at all. It's just that I don't like the heat build up. At 7-7.5...I would not consider that as excessive. Also, I wrote that I am using Bogo cartos, factory slotted, not single punch or double punched or self punched. The system was not modified in any way. I do have a short fuse when it comes to products, which behave inconsistent or unpredictable through.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Happi I feel your pain. I love these tanks and it was frustrating as one by one I experienced the same problem. For me a cool vape is a fresh Pan CGR18650CH and a Cisco spec 2.0Ω (8.8W). You're not too warm! But you're gettin' close.

 

[HappiVappi]

Happi I feel your pain. I love these tanks and it was frustrating as one by one I experienced the same problem. For me a cool vape is a fresh Pan CGR18650CH and a Cisco spec 2.0Ω (8.8W). You're not too warm! But you're gettin' close.

Thank you for your comments. I really wanted to make this tank work, so I filled again this morning and let it sit with drip tip installed but without the fill screw. When I came back at noon it had leaked about 20% of the juice. Jeez, what a mess....this puppy will see a real good cleaning tonight and a real good packing up as well....

Are those HH357 really that good? Right now I am vaping on an SmokTech mini RDA (Octopus). It costs between $6 and $10, depending on the store, but it works. No issues and when fully soaked lasts about 3 hours...

Cheers.