Ahlusion E-Juice Part 3
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Haha, no worries. It probably just looks hidden to you because you have to click to view the comments to see it. I'm definitely ordering some Oasis.
And guys, I have to say, loaded up a tank of Van Mango yesterday thinking, well obviously it's going to be delish. Wrong. Did not blow my socks off at all. I actually dumped it half way through to load up something else. Perhaps a steep will help. It either tasted like not ripe or too ripe mangos...something off about it. Kinda bummed actually.
Oh yeah, not to pile on, but I got Memory Lane today and so far, it is either no memory of mine or no memory I want to revisit. I reserve the right to change my mind, but this is far different from how I didn't like Pineapple Brulee at first -- that was worlds better than this at first vape.
Back to my mixing studio to see if I can't create my own memory lane with that flavor profile. I just don't see why that flavor as it is made tastes NOTHING like what it is supposed to. Could this be a steeper? Don't know, but as it is, it would have to be a steeper for me to try give it another whirl.
I have to say it doesn't look as pretty as the current site.
So Oasis and Fort Custard LOL. One for me and one that sounds sweet.
So Oasis and Fort Custard LOL. One for me and one that sounds sweet.
I didn't get Strawberry Milk from it either. I can't think of any way to describe what it tasted like. It's not one I plan to try again.
Fort Custard sounds interesting and will be ordered as soon as possible! I placed an order yesterday for 2 60s of Rick's Request and a 60ml of Pineapple Brulee. Requested a sample of Lemon or Lime Cream in 50/50 to try in my Subtank.
I didn't get Strawberry Milk from it either. I can't think of any way to describe what it tasted like. It's not one I plan to try again.
Fort Custard sounds interesting and will be ordered as soon as possible! I placed an order yesterday for 2 60s of Rick's Request and a 60ml of Pineapple Brulee. Requested a sample of Lemon or Lime Cream in 50/50 to try in my Subtank.
It's unfortunately one of those liquids and profiles that is sold -- from a variety of vendors -- on its promise more than the actual taste. I am not sure I want a liquid to taste too spot-on to strawberry flavored milk considering it would likely have to be dense with diketones. I have to say, my liquid came out equally bad, but mine costed about $0.25. I have a few more options I want to try out, but it's looking like a forgettable endeavor -- from DIYing to premade.
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Oasis is GREAT. I got it in November when it was still in the works and called Prickly Fruit
Isn't anybody else surprised that Wlad made a custard? I though they could not be made safely
It took awhile for me to piece all this together, but custards can most definitely can be made safely! There's a slew of options out there now. FlavourArt has one of the most authentic custards (I've come to realize) and it does not have diketones. FA does 'eggy' very well and that is what a custard arguably should taste like, not butter! The most popular of all DIY/pre-made custards comes from Capella (their v1). I bought it just to see what it was like and it is so damned far from an actual custard I don't know what people are tripping off of. Well, yeah I do. The concentrate is devilishly good to taste, but a custard flavor it ain't. You can pit it up next to Capella French Vanilla and even their Vanilla Cupcake and you'll see that they are all one of the same -- diketone rich, buttery vanilla flavors.
Generally speaking, with an an actual real-world custard (I just made one the other day) the only thing really akin to 'buttery' is the fat from the cream and the yolk of the egg. But other than the mouth-feel that provides, it's not all of what's responsible for the taste (as in flavor). Make a meringue and you'll get all the sweet eggy taste in the world and it is typically without yolks -- but it is light and airy, not thick and rich. So the whole custard business in eliquid is (IMO) an aspect with texture of actual custards, not the flavor. You can get the taste safely of a custard for eliquid, but not necessarily the coated mouth-feel like eating one. One way you can come close is using butyric acid (like in TFA's Vanilla Bean Gelato), but that gets to be tricky from what I have learned and it can come off as odd and nasty if used too heavily -- almost like how artificial sweeteners often stick out like a sore thumb. I digress.
p.s. I don't know of a more beautiful concentrate than FA's Meringue! And like their custard, no diketones.
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Very very informative Mann and thanks for the very well written explanation-appreciate it!
I've only tried a couple diketone-free custards but the taste didn't resemble any sort of custard nor any sort of food I've ever eatennot a fan. I'm admittedly very picky but quite a few people I know who will vape most anything didn't care for the diketone-free custard vapes they tried either. That said, if anyone can conjure a palatable version it would be Wlad.
Depending on the recipe, custards vary in eggy taste and the level of richness that comes from butterfat content. None of the basic custard variations is correct or incorrect, just different. The texture (mouth-feel) of different custards is mostly dependent on how much they are thickened and what is used to do so.
Yeah, a few of the those liquids I've tried did not taste great, but they were made safely, i.e., without diketones. The Pineapple Brulee Wlad makes is probably my favorite of the diketone-free approaches to that type of liquid. I really have no idea how he did it.
If the question is, can custard eliquids be made safely without diketones and be made to taste like the fullness of a custard? I don't think the fullness can be achieved all that well right now, so you are going to have to lose a lot of the mouth-feel. We'll see what Wlad can do, and although Pineapple Brulee is pretty dern close -- it is still not the same as having that fatty backdrop.
Out of sheer curiosity, I have made a custard eliquid with a diketone-based ingredient. I used 1% (approx. 4 drops in a 10 mL bottle) Capella Vanilla Custard with 3.5-4.5% FlavourArt Custard with great success of the taste of a custard and some of the feel of one. But the problem with that is it is not free of diketones, just super low. Unfortunately I just don't know much about the how the numbers break down and what really is the 'safe zone' besides being free of it. When I take the ingredient out that has diketones, I don't lose much of the flavor I was going after, but the mouth-feel disappears.
Sorry to talk DIY stuff here, but it's now the prism I see eliquid through.
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I am unaware of any numbers published by a reputable scientific source other than the NIOSH numbers for the workplace environment ( 65 micrograms per day for diacetyl and 137 for A P if i remember correctly ). I suppose you could extrapolate.
One of the things i always hated about every commercial custard i tried, was the heaviness and especially the mouth feel. And i don't think i'm alone ( although certainly in the minority ). I read someone write ( might have been Angelphyre ) in a different thread that the only custard she ever liked was the MOV diketone free version. Although i'm not sure if they could be classified as a custard rather than a cream.
I might order a couple from MOV and also Wlads version just out of curiosity.
In a weird kinda way, I think the way custards are viewed in eliquid is pretty narrow. Strange, but for vapers mainly being ex-smokers, we often allow just about any kind of tobacco vape to stand in as a tobacco without much question (even when you taste nothing of the sort), but if a custard eliquid isn't capable of clogging a chest and blanketing the mouth, it it isn't considered a 'true' custard. I think there's got to be some middle ground or an expansion of the way we begin to expect it to taste. But that'll be pretty hard considering how heavy most of the custards are out there -- just look into the DIY forum and you'll see recipes of up to 15-25% of diketone-based ingredients. And I can imagine that those pretty indicative of how a lot of the pre-mades are done. Just way too excessive for me.
You're right Maz, it was me...and I'm with you on the mouth feel...I don't like it either...I think it's that and just the taste that I have gotten with so many custard e-liquids out there, that has turned me off the custard vapes. I do like the MOV diketone free one, and it has been the only one I've really been able to tolerate. So I'll probably give Wlad's a try, but that will definitely be the last go round for me!
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