Ahlusion LLC Chat Thread

[Elyptic]

Congratulations everyone on their vapeversaries!

I've been really enjoying wild passion these last couple days. I'd been bored of all the similar flavors and this has been a nice, refreshing surprise!

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[PennyLynn]

Congratulations everyone on their vapeversaries!

I've been really enjoying wild passion these last couple days. I'd been bored of all the similar flavors and this has been a nice, refreshing surprise!

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i had a similar thing - getting bored with my flaves. I pulled out one I hadn't used in a while - Sublime. Yeah! Still in my tangy tart range but a bit different with the cranberry. My husband actually gets Ocean Spray Cran-Lime drink and he loves it.

Question: just how long would you all say a juice is fine to use? Opened or unopened? I probably need to start tossing some of my earlier purchases.

 

[Elyptic]

i had a similar thing - getting bored with my flaves. I pulled out one I hadn't used in a while - Sublime. Yeah! Still in my tangy tart range but a bit different with the cranberry. My husband actually gets Ocean Spray Cran-Lime drink and he loves it.

Question: just how long would you all say a juice is fine to use? Opened or unopened? I probably need to start tossing some of my earlier purchases.

That's an interesting question. Some people seem to steep juice for a really long time. I tend to go 6-9 months max on mine, but I really have no good reason for that limit.

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[tyleris12]

i had a similar thing - getting bored with my flaves. I pulled out one I hadn't used in a while - Sublime. Yeah! Still in my tangy tart range but a bit different with the cranberry. My husband actually gets Ocean Spray Cran-Lime drink and he loves it.

Question: just how long would you all say a juice is fine to use? Opened or unopened? I probably need to start tossing some of my earlier purchases.

Wlad once told me that since there are no preservatives in the liquid, a year max.....but then I know others who vape ones that are a year old or more, so? I go by what Wlad told me, since it makes sense to me. ☺

 

[Elyptic]

Wlad once told me that since there are no preservatives in the liquid, a year max.....but then I know others who vape ones that are a year old or more, so? I go by what Wlad told me, since it makes sense to me. ☺

That works for me! Thanks!

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[PennyLynn]

So would that be one year past the "Best by..." date, or the date of production? And that's even for unopened bottles?

 

[tyleris12]

So would that be one year past the "Best by..." date, or the date of production? And that's even for unopened bottles?

I believe the "Best by" date is 6 months from production (?), so 6 months past that. I honestly don't know if he meant unopened or just opened tho...sorry.

 

[ShariR]

P.S. -- Happy Second Vapeversary, Penny!!




(I've forgotten my own exact quit date . . . but it was sometime around the same date as yours, FIVE YEARS AGO!)

Congratulations for both Penny Lynn and EleanorR. And best wishes for many more.

And congrats to Apptiger too!

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I believe the "Best by" date is 6 months from production (?), so 6 months past that. I honestly don't know if he meant unopened or just opened tho...sorry.

I don't have any empirical evidence outside of having collected, stored and aged wine for.. 30 years now. But my gut feeling, is that like wine, storage conditions are EVERYthing. Cool, dark, and minimum exposure to air most likely will play a dramatic role.

My in-rotation and soon to be opened bottles stay in the cellar. Temp controlled at 55F. I have NEVER had a bottle taste "too old", and some have reached a year and a half.

Now I'm stockpiling for Vapeocalypse. THOSE are going in the deep freezer, unopened. SOME flavorings theoretically could experience precipitation of some components, but I am relatively comfortable, that warming back to normal temp and vigorous shaking will reblend. 3 year old, unopened PG/VG 100mg nicotine from said freezer, is in perfect shape. I have no reason to believe that the same mix, plus flavorings, would be any different. my 2cents.

Oh, and the Cloupor thread finally reached 100K posts. With that, I am retiring back to my home here, if you all will have me..

 

[clnire]

I don't have any empirical evidence outside of having collected, stored and aged wine for.. 30 years now. But my gut feeling, is that like wine, storage conditions are EVERYthing. Cool, dark, and minimum exposure to air most likely will play a dramatic role.

My in-rotation and soon to be opened bottles stay in the cellar. Temp controlled at 55F. I have NEVER had a bottle taste "too old", and some have reached a year and a half.

Now I'm stockpiling for Vapeocalypse. THOSE are going in the deep freezer, unopened. SOME flavorings theoretically could experience precipitation of some components, but I am relatively comfortable, that warming back to normal temp and vigorous shaking will reblend. 3 year old, unopened PG/VG 100mg nicotine from said freezer, is in perfect shape. I have no reason to believe that the same mix, plus flavorings, would be any different. my 2cents.

Oh, and the Cloupor thread finally reached 100K posts. With that, I am retiring back to my home here, if you all will have me..

Of course! We love you LLB!

 

[Poeia]

Now I'm stockpiling for Vapeocalypse. THOSE are going in the deep freezer, unopened. SOME flavorings theoretically could experience precipitation of some components, but I am relatively comfortable, that warming back to normal temp and vigorous shaking will reblend. 3 year old, unopened PG/VG 100mg nicotine from said freezer, is in perfect shape. I have no reason to believe that the same mix, plus flavorings, would be any different. my 2cents.

Any special actions for freezing (e.g. wrap the bottles in foil, put them in baggies or tupperware, etc.) How about defrosting -- room temp or in the fridge?

 

[Katya]

I have no reason to believe that the same mix, plus flavorings, would be any different. my 2cents.

I do... It depends on the kind of flavoring used. If it's perfectly artificial/synthetic flavor, without any impurities, we should be fine. However, if we're dealing with "natural" or "naturally extracted" flavor concentrates, all bets are off.

I know that Ahlusion uses mostly synthetic flavorings, but they also use some "natural" extracts.

Ahlusion LLC - Natural vs Artificial Flavorings

So, before putting anything away for long storage, I'd probably ask Wlad which is which.

Our resident chemist and guru is not a fan of anything natural or organic when it comes to vaping.

No one talks organic?

"For vaping, give me an artificial flavor made by a conscientious flavor chemist, who is on top of inhalation studies, over an unknown soup of masticated and concentrated food stuff any day. TPA and FlavorArt are two companies that are really trying to keep us safe, rather than play into our new-age preconceptions. The flavor industry is a VERY different thing than the produce industry."

Is the whole scandal with da and ap overblown? Some numbers inside

"As for synthetic flavors, yes, even though I try to eat organic, I think simple synthetic flavors are in general safer for inhalation than a soup of biomolecules extracted from a food. Of course there may still be compounds out there that are not good to inhale, but taking care of the DA and AP problem will go a very long way for us. Now if we can solve the decomposition problem, this will be huge for us. That's a tougher issue, with the huge variety of attys and wattages available now."

Is the whole scandal with da and ap overblown? Some numbers inside

Any thoughts? Do we know which Ahlusion flavors are synthetic and which are not?

 

[chanelvaps]

My 2 cents and only from experience:
I buy several AHL's in large quantities and store in the fridge in my cheese drawer. Unsealed and still in the bubble wrap they came in, even in the AHL bag with the AHL card used as notation to what they are and when I got them.
I have taken these out of the fridge even after a year, and vaped the next day and they are exactly as new. Some I vape like this (Lemon Cream) others I give my usual 4-6 weeks steep (Mango Lassi)
I also rotate to use the oldest next but one time two bottles got stuck under a Parmesan cheese block (who put the darn cheese in the AHL drawer?) and they were over a year old, this is how I know they store well and still taste like new.

My comments on the product condition after time on shelf at room temp:
At one year: any and all AHL is GREAT, darker but so flavorful and a bit of concentrated tasting
At two years: I begin to notice a breakdown of flavor
At 2.5 years: still vapeable if you had nothing else but def a breakdown of flavor
that is as far back as AHL and I go

I have never frozen any of them so I cannot comment on that.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Of course! We love you LLB!

Awww... Cathy. It's mutual dear, believe me!

 

[LouisLeBeau]

My 2 cents and only from experience:
I buy several AHL's in large quantities and store in the fridge in my cheese drawer. Unsealed and still in the bubble wrap they came in, even in the AHL bag with the AHL card used as notation to what they are and when I got them.
I have taken these out of the fridge even after a year, and vaped the next day and they are exactly as new. Some I vape like this (Lemon Cream) others I give my usual 4-6 weeks steep (Mango Lassi)
I also rotate to use the oldest next but one time two bottles got stuck under a Parmesan cheese block (who put the darn cheese in the AHL drawer?) and they were over a year old, this is how I know they store well and still taste like new.

My comments on the product condition after time on shelf at room temp:
At one year: any and all AHL is GREAT, darker but so flavorful and a bit of concentrated tasting
At two years: I begin to notice a breakdown of flavor
At 2.5 years: still vapeable if you had nothing else but def a breakdown of flavor
that is as far back as AHL and I go

I have never frozen any of them so I cannot comment on that.

"who put the darn cheese in the AHL drawer?" Ah, priceless!! Hai, CoCo!!

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I do... It depends on the kind of flavoring used. If it's perfectly artificial/synthetic flavor, without any impurities, we should be fine. However, if we're dealing with "natural" or "naturally extracted" flavor concentrates, all bets are off.

I know that Ahlusion uses mostly synthetic flavorings, but they also use some "natural" extracts.

Ahlusion LLC - Natural vs Artificial Flavorings

So, before putting anything away for long storage, I'd probably ask Wlad which is which.

Our resident chemist and guru is not a fan of anything natural or organic when it comes to vaping.

No one talks organic?

"For vaping, give me an artificial flavor made by a conscientious flavor chemist, who is on top of inhalation studies, over an unknown soup of masticated and concentrated food stuff any day. TPA and FlavorArt are two companies that are really trying to keep us safe, rather than play into our new-age preconceptions. The flavor industry is a VERY different thing than the produce industry."

Is the whole scandal with da and ap overblown? Some numbers inside

"As for synthetic flavors, yes, even though I try to eat organic, I think simple synthetic flavors are in general safer for inhalation than a soup of biomolecules extracted from a food. Of course there may still be compounds out there that are not good to inhale, but taking care of the DA and AP problem will go a very long way for us. Now if we can solve the decomposition problem, this will be huge for us. That's a tougher issue, with the huge variety of attys and wattages available now."

Is the whole scandal with da and ap overblown? Some numbers inside

Any thoughts? Do we know which Ahlusion flavors are synthetic and which are not?

I totally get what you are saying Katya, and like SO many things in this industry, we just don't know! But, I'ma boldly go where no man has gone before, and I'll let ya know my thoughts once I have. Might be a few years though.

 

[Elyptic]

I know that many people have successfully stored PG / VG in the freezer (with or without Nic) and had no issues over long term storage. Which I believe makes sense.

I guess for me, the flavorings are where I start to wonder. I heard that some of the "natural" flavorings can start to grow organisms in them after extended periods (which is why they recommend storing them in a cool and dark place). Frankly, I haven't seen any definitive evidence, so I'm taking all of this with a grain of salt. I've heard that the "synthetic" flavorings are much better over the long haul.

So for me, I'm buying flavored liquids (such as those from Ahl) at the moment to enjoy now (or after a reasonable steep). One we stop moving every year for work, I plan to stock up on Nicotine and store it in the deep freezer. From my understanding, VG / PG have been around prior to vaping and will be around for a long time. Same with the synthetic flavorings. I just hope I have a chance to stock up on Nicotine prior to any unfortunate regulations coming down the pipe...

 

[Poeia]

I know nicotine freezes well. And it's the aging and (oxidation?) of the nicotine that makes older liquids darker. I keep planning to buy some plain nic to freeze in case of the Vapeocalypse but keep putting it off.

Short term I usually have about a quart (1,000 ml) of liquid out. The newest are in the back, older ones in front, and the ones in use are on the side. My biggest problem there is that I keep replenishing favorites so sometimes flavors I want to try keep getting pushed to the side. Even so, it's rare for me to have something more than 18 months old. (If I do, it's usually because I tried it and didn't like it so I keep ignoring it. After 2 years I toss it.)

Like @chanelvaps I have the perfect place in the fridge for liquids -- my salad drawer has nothing in it but my insulin. (I wouldn't use it otherwise. If I put lettuce in there, it goes bad long before I remember it.) I've decided to buy another quart of so of my favorites to put in there.

Those stashes will get me through the beginning of 2018. But, if the FDA has it's way, I'll need to plan for further than that which is why I was wondering about freezing.

At least they can't ban food-grade VG and PG. I can't mix anything vapeable but, if worse comes to worst, I can add a little nic and vape unflavored.

 

[PennyLynn]

I'm (partly) convinced that I need to start planning. I'm going to use up what I've got hanging around, but I will order bottles of my faves to store, sealed up, in the fridge. Hopefully, we'll know sometime soon what the future holds .

 

[clnire]

Although I am stocking my favorites, I am also planning for the future. I have some NIC in the freezer, I want to get a little more. I have flavors and have a whole Word document full of recipes. Several I have made I can definitely vape, although not as good as some of my favorite vendors. I can also vape unflavored if necessary (I have tried it and not bad!). I will also lower my NIC level so what NIC I have when the boom drops will last as long as I need it to. I figure better to be prepared, we don't know when it will happen, but I fear it WILL happen and they will just wham, bam, thank you mam, hit us.

Don't mean to be a "Debbie Downer", but I was a good Girl Scout... (oh, that's Boy Scouts but we girls ain't no fools!)