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  1. Lemonfruit

    Lemonfruit Full Member

    Sep 5, 2019
    Hi guys!

    Can anyone offer me some advise? I’m currently using the smok al85 and to be honest I’ve had issues with it from the start in regards to the battery. It makes the mod really hot when using it and the battery died pretty quickly. I do use it a lot but I don’t think enough for it to go from 100% to nothing within around an hour!

    Anyway, I have tried to remove the battery yesterday and it’s completely stuck in there. It was coming in and out easily before now. I don’t know if this has anything do to with it but I’m currently on holiday and it’s around 30 degrees. Has the heat made it swell?? I’m worried it’ll blow up. How can I get it out to change the battery?! I’ve only had this mod a month :(

    Thank you in advance :)
     
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  2. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    Hi and welcome,
    Please tell us which brand and model of 3.7V 18650 you are using. mAh is not relevant.
    How are you charging the battery? Do you only have one or did you buy a back up battery also?
    How many watts are you asking the battery to provide? 10W-80W?
    What topper/tank are you using on the SMOK?
    Where are you located?

    Cheers
    I
     
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  3. Lemonfruit

    Lemonfruit Full Member

    Sep 5, 2019
    Hi,

    It’s a Samsung battery which came with the mod. I charge it through the USB port on the side of the mod. I only have the one battery with me on holiday. I have a back up at home but I have no way of changing it while this one is stuck in there

    I vape at 40 watts. I’m using the baby beast tank and I’m in the UK :)
     
  4. Georgia Boy

    Georgia Boy Super Member

    Jun 28, 2019
    Atlanta Georgia
    Welcome Aboard
    Have you used it while it's been stuck in there?
     
  5. Lemonfruit

    Lemonfruit Full Member

    Sep 5, 2019
    Thank you :)

    Yeah, I have. I have no idea how long it’s been stuck either. I have had it about a month now
     
  6. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    UK? Stellar!
    Have you tried putting the whole unit in the freezer for an hour or so? (tank removed).
    Has the device been stored in direct sun or in a hot car recently? (it's almost always 30C here and I never had a genuine cell swell or complain about ambient temperature.)

    Have you noticed the battery life diminishing over the last month or is it suddenly just "dead" after little to no use?
    If the battery is suffering after as little as 30 days use, I suspect it is either not a genuine Samsung or is not the correct model for your application (40watts).

    Pop into a local vape shop and see what they say.
    If they can get the battery out of the device, it may need to be replaced.
    Don't be surprised if they remove the tank and simply wack the 510 on a hard surface to expel the cell.

    Good luck
    I


    ETA: SMOK devices are not sold with batteries unless they are bundled by the seller.
    Where did you buy the SMOK/battery set up?

    Batteries should be charged in an external charger. Charging in the device is NOT recommended.

    .
     
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  7. Lemonfruit

    Lemonfruit Full Member

    Sep 5, 2019
    No I haven’t tried that! I will do it now though :) I wouldn’t say it’s been in direct sun light but I have used it on the beach and around the pool while I’m here (Cyprus) so it’s possible it’s gotten hot.

    Yes it’s definitely been dying quickly more each day. So annoying!

    I’ll be taking it my local shop as soon as I am home :) I got it off an online seller. I had to pay a bit extra for the battery and it was in a separate box :)

    Thank you for you help I’ll try the freezer trick!
     
  8. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    A mod or battery should never get hot to touch. If they do, one or the other is defective or you were using the wrong battery. Whenever possible, batteries should be charged in a Li-ion battery recharger. Guide to Choosing a Li-ion Battery Charger

    It's important to identify which model of battery it is. If what you have are authentic Samsungs that's a recommended brand, but the models all have different specifications (amp rating).

    For example, the Samsung 30Q 3000 mAH battery is 15 amps and safe to use up to 45 watts.
    [​IMG]

    The similar looking Samsung 26F is a 2600 mAh battery but only 4.6 amps, not near enough wattage output for any vape device.

    [​IMG]

    Don't pick batteries by color. Choose which 18650 battery to use by their true amp rating and what wattage setting you use.

    WATTAGE PER SINGLE 18650 BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
    (Total wattage doubles using 2 batteries; Triples using 3 batteries.)

    Up to 45W:
    Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Up to 60W:
    LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Up to 75W:
    LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Molicel 18650-P26A, 2600 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Up to 90W:
    LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
     
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  9. Punk In Drublic

    Punk In Drublic Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 28, 2018
    Toronto, ON
    Couple of months ago there was a recall issued in the UK due to fake batteries being sold with vape devices. There was an ECF thread here, but was removed. Not stating this is related to your issue, but something to consider.

    Reddit thread on the recal.

    ARGOS UK RECALLS BUNCH OF DEVICES (SMOK AND INNOKIN) : electronic_cigarette

    As for your issue, difficult to tell whether the battery or the device is at fault. The cell could be fake, or extremely under rated for your use – which could heat the cell up to the point of swelling. The device could also be malfunctioning, drawing more current than what is needed. Regardless of the culprit, I would cease use immediately until the problem has been identified
     
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  10. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    I agree with this completely.

    Good example why we need "backups for our backups". I never leave my house without carrying a backup vape setup, spare charged batteries, extra bottle of juice. If going out of town, I bring my Li-ion charger with me, too.

    @Lemonfruit , now you know why.
     
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  11. BrotherBob

    BrotherBob ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Dec 24, 2014
    Sunnyvale,CA,USA
    Welcome and glad you joined.
    That should work, good luck.
     
  12. Lemonfruit

    Lemonfruit Full Member

    Sep 5, 2019
    Hey everyone

    Just an update - I took it to a shop here in Cyprus and the fella was lovely and helpful. He managed to get the battery out with tissue over it and some plastic looking pliers. I asked why has it got stuck like that and he showed me the battery. The wrapping stuff around the outside of it and burnt away and it had melted! I was mortified and asked if he thought my battery was fake/cheap etc and he said most probably!

    Quite worrying considering it said Samsung all over it and was in a Samsung box, etc but you live and learn! I bought a new one off him and it’s perfect now. Hardly charged it and it’s even tasting better

    Thank you all for your help and advice. This is a lovely community :)
     
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  13. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    Thrilled to hear you got it sorted!!!

    Enjoy your holiday and safe travels!

    I
     

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