Alarm alarm alarm!!!!

[TropicalBob]

Of all your symptoms, pay closest attention to the clear phlegm production. That is becoming a widely noted problem for e-smokers. And in clinical trials I've been somewhat privvy to, it happens with either PG or VG. Makes no difference. Both are impacting the lungs in the same humectant fashion, drawing moisture out that results in phlegm that must be cleared by coughing or repetitive clearing of the throat.

Suffice it to say this is both a short-term and, especially, long-term concern with e-smoking. Increased phlegm production would simply not be acceptable to any health regulatory agency on earth.

Ex-smokers' lungs are already damaged or compromised from years of sucking smoke into them. If PG and VG piles on more damage, COPD or worse might result.

As your other symptoms get better with a new liquid, keep close tabs on that phlegm production, which will be independent of flavor but correlated closely with the amount of vapor you inhale each day. With your pre-COPD conditions, you might find that you cannot tolerate e-smoking without further harming yourelf. You might need to find another nicotine alternative.

 

[paladinx]

About clear phlegm. Has anyone here ever used a saline nasal rinse before? I have tried it because a friend recommended it. It is a nasal rinse u squirt through ur nose and it flushes out ur sinuses supposedly. I believe it is sodium bicarbonate and a saline solution. After I do this, I notice I get a lot of clear phlegm coming out of my nose like a cold. Could this suggest that when your membranes are slightly irritated that your bodies natural response is to form clear mucuous? Perhaps the PG/VG is irritating or drying out the natural mucuous you have there already, and your body just produces more?

 

[Doug_Dread]

I sent off an email to Dekang, telling them of my experience....... no reply.

Still vaping Dekang Virginia and feeling OK. Now to convince my dealer to swap out my RY4 stock, be sad to see it go, I haven't found anything else that mellow.

 

[Doug_Dread]

No reply from Dekang. I suppose if you're supplying 90% of the world's e-juice to millions and swimming in Yen, a few nuisance problems or who knows, maybe even a moderate death-toll, are not worth bothering with.

Dealer swapped out my RY4 stock. 30mls of Virgia down and about 10 days off Dekang RY4, recovered and still feeling good. Still getting some e-phlegm though, probably common to many flavours, maybe PG as well.

 

[logbas34]

hmm well yeah I say go to the doctor! although i'm betting it's a combo of your lungs cleaning themselves from tar, and a withdrawl from nicotine

 

[DigitalRapture]

They make a device called a "Lung Flute", brand new on the market. Needs a prescription to get one, but is only $40. You blow into it and it vibrates your lungs at 16hz to release phlegm. Supposed to be breakthrough technology that "mobilizes and clears excessive secretions from the lungs of patients with COPD (chronic bronchitis), asthma, cystic fibrosis, pneumonia, and tuberculosis." It could revolutionize the health industry. Check it out, Lung Flute® by Medical Acoustics.

 

[BardicDruid]

After reading this it kinda makes me glad I switched to snus.

 

[Scott EE]

I am allergic to Peanuts and I had asked this question when I started vaping- so far it looks like the flavorings are artificial- so not real peanut oil.

I also have been using RY4 from Rocky Mountain Vapors and I am not having any problem. (i also can not taste the nutty flavor everyone talks about.)

Now there is something in the Cinnamon that I am reacting to - immediate scratchy throat.

Since you are allergic to peanuts how would you know a nutty taste? Sorry couldn't help it I just found it funny. And yes I understand people develop allergies later in life and have unfortunate accidents and taste the real thing.

 

[ShortyBoo]

I'm having similar symptoms, only I'm using Dekang's RY3 instead of RY4. I went from smoking a pack of Newports a day to vaping back in August. The Newports were killing my lungs, so I was happy when a few weeks in, I was able to breathe better and I stopped all the coughing and everything. But about 3 months ago, I started getting symptoms. It started with my nose feeling stuffed up like I had a cold, only I don't. Then like 2 months ago, I started noticing dark yellow spots on my pillow case and the sleeve of my pajamas (I lay on my arm) and I'd cough up yellowish-brown phlegm in the morning, which has gotten darker and thicker since then. And on top of that, I now have an almost constant sore throat. I'm thinking it could be the RY3. I did just order some Rath juice so hopefully it will get rid of the symptoms. If not, I guess I'll just have to go back to Newports, even though I can't really afford it.

 

[Doug_Dread]

I guess I'll just have to go back to Newports, even though I can't really afford it.

Noooooooooooooo! Dude! Don't do that! Smoking WILL kill you, vaping CAN save you!

Maybe you just can't vape the RY series, like I can't vape the 'complex' RY4. Find a 'simpler' flavour that you can tolerate better, even no flavour. But, I think anyone who is developing bad vaping symptoms, should have as their primary objective, to quit smoking asap, then the secondary objective, to quit vaping as well if the symptoms continue, but the path, walk it you must.

I've been off the RY4 for 2 weeks now and my symptoms have all cleared up, at least to a much lower level. In the last 2 days, there's also been a noticable drop in the e-phlegm I cough up in the mornings. I'm still very hopeful I'm on the right track. No more flavour experimentation for me.

Whichever way the cookie crumbles, I'm now a non-smoker!

 

[LLOTEK]

@aschmidy

Discuss any side effects, worries or health problems related to e-smoking technology here.

Health concerns are what this subforum is FOR. I think it is great that you offered a solution, but it is not fair to get snarky with people for posting health concerns on the health concern subforum!!
I know no one wants to hear that there may be any issues with vaping, but some of us are having issues and without networking about the issues, how are we supposed to find common causes, etc??

Agreed. I think we would be just as bad as big tobacco, if we tried to hide the problems associated with vaping, as we are doing it for our own health. to lie or hide problems only hurts us...and damn, we arent even making money to lie about it.

 

[LLOTEK]

About clear phlegm. Has anyone here ever used a saline nasal rinse before? I have tried it because a friend recommended it. It is a nasal rinse u squirt through ur nose and it flushes out ur sinuses supposedly. I believe it is sodium bicarbonate and a saline solution. After I do this, I notice I get a lot of clear phlegm coming out of my nose like a cold. Could this suggest that when your membranes are slightly irritated that your bodies natural response is to form clear mucuous? Perhaps the PG/VG is irritating or drying out the natural mucuous you have there already, and your body just produces more?

Hey there. I actually had a fairly severe nasal infection a few years back, and did use this type of nasal rinse. I noticed the same mucous type build up after too, but think it was just my bodies reaction to the rinse...once I blew my nose a few times, the mucous would dry up and my nose was much clearer and felt much better. I used the nasal rinse consistently 2 to 3 times a day, for about 3 weeks.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Just another small alarm. I broke my own rule about flavour experimentation and got a 10ml Dekang Dunhill liquid out of curiosity, 'cause I smoked Dunhill for many years.

Tastes ok and no serious side effects (yet), but the instant heartburn is horrendous! I'm vaping 1 x 510 cart to downing 1 x teaspoon of Bicarb.

Still smooth sailing on Dekang Virginia, the Dekang RY4 symptoms are well behind me now.

 

[debook]

Hey there. I actually had a fairly severe nasal infection a few years back, and did use this type of nasal rinse. I noticed the same mucous type build up after too, but think it was just my bodies reaction to the rinse...once I blew my nose a few times, the mucous would dry up and my nose was much clearer and felt much better. I used the nasal rinse consistently 2 to 3 times a day, for about 3 weeks.

Those things are great for getting rid of sinus infections or when allergies start acting up. It is normal to get more 'gunk' than normal after using, it loosens the mucous so it can be expelled and the amount that comes out sometimes is it bit shocking to see.

 

[mcl5000]

Ok, I'm sorry but this whole thread just seems ridiculous. I'm not saying it isn't caused by your RY4, but it honestly sounds like you had a cold or a flu.

Phlegm, check.
Shortness of breath, check.
Nausea, check.

Like I said, sure, your symptoms could be because of the liquid you're using, but if I got a new flavor in the mail and was nauseous the next day, I wouldn't come to the forums screaming alarm alarm alarm!!!!!

That's like if you usually drink Coke, but switch to Pepsi for a couple days and go to soft drink forums to tell everybody that there is something wrong with Pepsi because you got a cold.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Ok, I'm sorry but this whole thread just seems ridiculous. I'm not saying it isn't caused by your RY4, but it honestly sounds like you had a cold or a flu.

Phlegm, check.
Shortness of breath, check.
Nausea, check.

Like I said, sure, your symptoms could be because of the liquid you're using, but if I got a new flavor in the mail and was nauseous the next day, I wouldn't come to the forums screaming alarm alarm alarm!!!!!

Nope. no passing cold or flue or any other illness related other than the constant emphysema. From your avatar you look young and healthy enough not to have developed such sensitivities as the elderly, more vulnerable and already respiratory-challenged. As carefully explained above, this thread is intended for anone who has had an alarming vaping experience to share and warn others in the community, it was never intended for someone like you, so move on and just be happy about it not applying to you.

 

[kalekona]

Doug_Dread

You are seriously telling someone to "move along" because he finds it silly to start a fear campaign because you "think" a flavor caused you a problem?

I find your attitude over the line especially since people have come to defend your right to bring your concerns to the forum.

I agree with him actually and I am not young, in fact I had more allergies and health problems from childhood than most- Allergic reactions to an inhaled VAPOR don't cause heartburn they just don't.

Other reactions do occur, I have a problem with dekang cinnamon flavor- makes my throat itch- pretty classic allergic response.

If you have serious concerns stop vaping.
If you have minor concerns and want to compare notes with others super, please do so- but don't start screaming "alarm,alarm,alarm" like chicken little.

 

[Wireguy]

Hey. What can you say about someone who titles a thread "Alarm Alarm Alarm" when it's about him? Chicken Little should be his avatar.

You are seriously telling someone to "move along" because he finds it silly to start a fear campaign because you "think" a flavor caused you a problem?

I find your attitude over the line especially since people have come to defend your right to bring your concerns to the forum.

I agree with him actually and I am not young, in fact I had more allergies and health problems from childhood than most- Allergic reactions to an inhaled VAPOR don't cause heartburn they just don't.

Other reactions do occur, I have a problem with dekang cinnamon flavor- makes my throat itch- pretty classic allergic response.

If you have serious concerns stop vaping.
If you have minor concerns and want to compare notes with others super, please do so- but don't start screaming "alarm,alarm,alarm" like chicken little.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Ok, maybe I've been playing too much Silent Hunter recently and the title just popped into my head from the game.

Mods, please change the thread title to "Alarming experience with Dekang RY4". I don't 'think' I 'know' so less than that I would not be comfortable with. Alternatively, if it helped nobody, delete the whole thread, anyone affected would have read it by now. I'm not going to fight about it.

Anyone know where I can find a good chicken little avatar?

 

[TropicalBob]

This thread could well become part of the FDA's "side effects" arsenal of alleged complaints about e-smoking. See other threads to verify they read and take notes of our "alarm, alarm, alarm" posts.

We get to write our own obituary.