It looks kinda bad but not surprising
Tests show bootleg marijuana vapes tainted with hydrogen cyanide
Tests show bootleg marijuana vapes tainted with hydrogen cyanide
But now there needs to be caution. Was hydrogen cynide found in something somebody actually used AND it caused the lung illness? As we know there can be trace amounts of things that aren't sufficient to cause illness. Obviously it shouldn't be there but the important thing is to be sure about what mixes are causing illness.It looks kinda bad but not surprising
Tests show bootleg marijuana vapes tainted with hydrogen cyanide
It doesn’t take much cyanide to hurt someone. We didn’t have people foaming at the mouth and dying instantly.But now there needs to be caution. Was hydrogen cynide found in something somebody actually used AND it caused the lung illness? As we know there can be trace amounts of things that aren't sufficient to cause illness. Obviously it shouldn't be there but the important thing is to be sure about what mixes are causing illness.
I don't disagree with anything you write BUT the focus seems to be on what is causing the acute condition that's being observed, may be not the h-c but then that stuff is another reason to NOT use black market pot liquid.It doesn’t take much cyanide to hurt someone. We didn’t have people foaming at the mouth and dying instantly.
Hydrogen cyanide - Wikipedia lists NIOSH dosages as 4.7 ppm recommended, 10 ppm maximum safe, and 50ppm as “immediate danger”. Deaths in 1 hour apparently have occurred with amounts as low as 36 ppm though.
Really? I do. I get corrected frequently. @Mordacai for example seems particularly apt at it.I don't disagree with anything you write BUT the focus seems to be on what is causing the acute condition that's being observed, may be not the h-c but then that stuff is another reason to NOT use black market pot liquid.
Everybody already knows this of course but the people who hate vaping and have hated it all along won't acknowledge this finding. For 10 years their slogan has been "we don't know". That will never change. Another thing they hate is the bad press marijuana is getting. They love marijuana because it pays huge taxes. They hate vaping because it's doesn't. But the huge taxes are why there is a marijuana black market. The vaping ban encourages a vaping black market. Tobacco is an $800 to $1 trillion that mostly benefits governments. How is that going to die peacefully?
I don’t know if it will never change. It is possible TO know. It can be made possible to find out. Research must be done. Public unbiased unmanipulated fully disclosed real research. There is always a die roll with that of course. It might possibly turn out they are right. Current evidence says they aren’t likely to be.Everybody already knows this of course but the people who hate vaping and have hated it all along won't acknowledge this finding. For 10 years their slogan has been "we don't know". That will never change. Another thing they hate is the bad press marijuana is getting. They love marijuana because it pays huge taxes. They hate vaping because it's doesn't. But the huge taxes are why there is a marijuana black market. The vaping ban encourages a vaping black market. Tobacco is an $800 to $1 trillion that mostly benefits governments. How is that going to die peacefully?
The weird colors! It hurts! And make things near unreadable. You may have a good point here. I can’t access it though.Salutations,
Quite obviously this was also echoed elsewhere, including this variant:
[ https:// www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/black-market-cannabis-vapes-china-20321313 ]
DS: Black market cannabis vapes from China found to contain cyanide (2019-Sep-28)
Out of 15 pens bought from unlicensed dealers in a science experiment, 13 contained Vitamin E — which causes lung damage when inhaled.
The same number contained a fungicide called Myclobutanil which can turn into hydrogen cyanide when heated.
Myclobutanil is banned in Canada, Colorado, Washington, and Oregon for the production of medical and recreational marijuana.
Now, relatively to being "banned", here are additional details specific to my country:
[ https:// www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/drugs-health-products/cannabis-testing-pesticide-list-limits.html ]
Mandatory cannabis testing for pesticide active ingredients - List and limits
Pest Control Product: Myclobutanil
Fresh cannabis & plants: 0.010 ppm
Dried cannabis: 0.020 ppm
Cannabis oil: 0.010 ppm
Lets mention that although in principle this (in)famous "PCP" (HCN/Zyklon-generating fungicide) never really received official approval by Health Canada for use in any context involving inhalation it turns out this crucial public institution still appears to tolerate some "acceptable" residue "limits" which might "pass" undetected unless a laboratory has access to some "cutting edge equipment like a gas chromatograph with a triple-quadrupole mass spectrometer", on top of a budget substancial enough to finance functional testing... Worse, "pesticides approved for cannabis by the PMRA don't require residue testing because they're considered relatively benign" anyway.
Considering H.-C.'s list already reached 96+ PCPs (so far!), while i recall it's been as much as 200 in Washington (as per WSDA/WSLCB i502 just a few years ago), if we consider there can be many more products similar to myclobutanil then it should sound reasonable to assume that non-detection PCP soups got explored as well. One major concern being that the individual effects multiply instead of just add up, while staying within "acceptable limits" unless one has access to some laboratory possibly costing around a hundred thousand dollars simply to operate.
In other words even after it was repetitively proven that myclobutanil WAS present near the Licensed Producer's cannabis cultivation space it remains possible not to trigger H.-C.'s contemplative "detection" limit...
In other words i must conclude that keywords like "Black Market"/"Illicit", "Cannabis"/"THC" and "Vaping" can prove misleading, if not be intended as plain decoys.
IMO it's a multi-factorial problem also involving 3rd-party mis-guided bigot prohibitionism. For example a flavours ban may actually cause more dosing errors by reducing feedback in the operator's manual control loop: e.g. it's too late by the time one realizes he has inhaled too deeply. Which to me suggests an avenue of solution: real-time biofeedback data feeding iPhone/tablet Karaoke-like "social" applications designed to accelerate the acquisition of vape operator skills, based of a collective library of shared/validated session signatures, etc.
Good day, have fun!!
You may have a good point here. I can’t access it though.
basically almost all the media outlets are churning out SPAM