All my mods part1

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hankbizzo5

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Honestly i see a lot of harassment going on thats what will really get the thread closed..... Unless you are directly involved why would you keep harping on the decision Thats just MHO????? Raidy is a good guy he has helped a lot of people he made a decision if you like it or not thats what it is..... Raidy once again best of luck and there a lot of people that are here to support you what ever you decide.....

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Thank You!

Honestly i see a lot of harassment going on thats what will really get the thread closed..... Unless you are directly involved why would you keep harping on the decision Thats just MHO????? Raidy is a good guy he has helped a lot of people he made a decision if you like it or not thats what it is..... Raidy once again best of luck and there a lot of people that are here to support you what ever you decide.....

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I agree with the beating a dead horse...Maybe Raidy will come back later maybe not...I for one Greatly appreciate and applaud his gift of knowledge to us...

@ Raidy I am sorry if others have spoiled your fun and forgotten the spirit with which you have given such knowledge freely...alas this is a foolish world that takes advantage of the kindhearted and good spirits who live here...There are good people here who love you despite never having met you in person...and I will obviously be the first to say the offer is still open Come have steak/fajitas/brisket or whatever your hearts desire at my house if you ever come to Dallas Texas...
for YOU Mi Casa Su Casa.....You are a good man and even good men have bad days...none of us are perfect...
 

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I agree as well, I did not participate much but followed this thread religiously ;)
Thank you very much Raidy for all your magnificent mods which gave me the inspiration to make my own.

I am sorry for what happened (although I did not participate in any of this) and understand fully your position.
I guess it is a great loss for the community.

My hat's down...
 

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I apologize for not posting about people's disagreements. May I hijack this thread to ask about Raidys mention of a reasonable cost all metal device?

Hopefully Raidy is still reading this thread. I have never bought a mod, but this sounds to good to pass up, and hopefully will be beneficial to him in some way.

How can I find out more?

Lee
 

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Philosophically, it’s human nature to take someone’s idea and build upon it. We as humans have been doing since the advent of fire, the wheel, and wooden spears. We have created these artificial restraints such as copyrights and patents as a people mainly to protect our ability to make a profit from our ideas/inventions. While I respect the intention to share brilliance with others – and sometimes people are driven to share because their own brilliance is too much to keep inside – we, as people, are also driven to understand how and why things work and how can we make them better or more suited to our own needs.

Even if Raidy had not shared the idea freely and had profited from it someone would have taken it apart, changed it a little, then used it on their own or sold it commercially. It’s inevitable. I’m sorry I just don’t think you can stop the tide of human nature and while I agree it must be supremely frustrating, I hate to see something that you can’t really stop make so many people unhappy and angry.

I have no opinion about who's right or wrong with this disagreement (I haven't earned that right) - just taking a long view of how we behave as humans...
 

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I apologize for not posting about people's disagreements. May I hijack this thread to ask about Raidys mention of a reasonable cost all metal device?

Hopefully Raidy is still reading this thread. I have never bought a mod, but this sounds to good to pass up, and hopefully will be beneficial to him in some way.

How can I find out more?

Lee

he said details would come later...beyond that I am loathe to push as should anyone else...let him cool off...maybe he will change his mind...

side note...just because copying and modifying are human nature doesn't make it right...and don't get it started about the patent process as that will create a HUGE debate and will get this thread closed...(the mods are watching)...My opinion obviously doesn't count so I have ceased to voice it...I will however keep my designs to myself till I have some form of protection on them...getting mad or watching someone else profit from your hard work sweat and tears may someday change your mind...

I certainly hope he succeeds in his endeavors with his final design...there are people who cannot rebuild or build these things...I am not one of them but I know they are out there...
 

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side note...just because copying and modifying are human nature doesn't make it right...

Exactly - it's not right (or wrong necessarily), it's human nature - it just is.... and it can take millenia to change or not change - for example the inherent violence in human nature. Many of might agree that it's wrong, and while we as a people have tried to change, we in a large part have not succeeded. I was just trying to lend perspective, you know, because at some point you have to ask yourself - how angry do I want to let this make me - that kinda thing... Not really for Raidy and Sturm, because they have reached an agreement, but other folks are still pretty wound up...

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@caillel
You open a new acccount an post this message in the german forum:
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I do not speak German so I hope you can translate this. I am a member on the ECF forum and I hate to contradict what has been posted here, but the member of the ECF forum that you have singled out did not violate Mr. Raidy's wishes. I have no doubt that someone will because his idea has generated such a demand that there are those that are begging for it to be produced. Where there is a demand, there will be a supply created. It is not right, but it is true. However, from what I have been able to understand through translation is that you all think that ooSTURMoo's coop, because it was $90 dollars US, was a for profit venture. I assure you it was not. I only read this 236 page thread because I wish understand the truth and know why Mr. Raidy had become so offended. I understand that he dreads the day when his hard work will be cheapened and his original spirit of the free atomizer lost to commercialism, but I just wanted to say that no one in the ECF community that I participate in has been the instrument of this tragedy. I myself participated in a coop in order to enjoy Mr. Raidy's incredible invention. The cost was only $20 us, but it is a very simple single piece stainless body with no additional hardware included. This coop ran for less than 24 hours, and was originally intended to be for only 100 users. It filled in under 6 hours and was extended to 150 users. The person who organized the coop had to stop taking orders because it was simply an overwhelming demand. I do not wish to offend anyone, but at the same time, I do not wish for this community to be confused in to thinking ill of my community. My apologies if anyone is offended by this post.
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my answer:
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@caillel

/* Begin senseless program */
#include "nomorewords.h"
#include "thinkaboutwhatyouwant.h"
main()
{
printf("My cooperationis is finished.\n")
}
/* end of senseless program */
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your answer:

"It is obvious to me there is no reason here. Just arrogance. I am sorry for having shared the experience and wasted my time trying to help someone who is obviously upset. My participation here is ended before it began. I wish you all the best, and hopefully if you fawn over Mr. Raidy enough, he will throw you another bone. Moderator, please remove my account from this forum. "
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my answer:
(I'm "the" Post not commenting, guess who wants what he wants)
But something occurs to me already:

Lovley Fories,
I hereby throw you in my next dog bones.
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But thateverybody dances to my tune.:laugh:

Please no comments about the person. Since he can no longer comment, it would be unfair.
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WHY YOU DO THAT? Stop running behind me ! You are one of the 1% peoples here, why i won't......................
 
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Quick1

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Gentlemen? Plural? It seems impossible to get Caillel to stop.

I can only guess at his motivation. He claims to know all the specific details of Sturm's business.
Angling for a free PV?
Personal agenda against Raidy?
Professional troll?
Religious crusade?

Nobody wants him to continue (on either side) and I can't imagine Sturm condones his actions.
Yet another mystery of the internet.
 

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