Also need to stop these fools!

[TropicalBob]

My credo is educate first. Last year, with my new penstyle e-cig in my pocket, I went for a haircut. Men talk in barber shops. No gossip stuff. Just ... talk. So I told the barber and those present about my e-cig. Took it out. Demonstrated it. Explained that vapor isn't smoke and no laws are being broken by using it indoors in a public place. Then I proceeded to puff away as my hair was cut.

Since that time, I've used it freely in that barber shop.

Yesterday, I went for a haircut and lo and behold the shop owner whipped out his new e-cig. He's a huge Harley-Davidson fan, with a pony tail to his waist, mid-40s, and he bought a Smoke51 at Bike Week in Daytona. Happy as a lark! He puffed and I whipped out my Janty Kissbox and I puffed.

There were four people in the barber shop at that slow hour. And two of them were e-smoking.

Educate first. It works wonders for the future.

 

[UkUsa]

Maybe we should hook up ASH with www.dhmo.org

I'm with TB, I'll ask before vaping. My first time was when going for a haircut at our local Sportsclips. When i checked in it was a 20 minute wait. I asked i could use my 901, showed them what it was and explained how it worked. She said "Oh so it's like an inhaler, as long as there is no tobacco go ahead". So i vaped away, the 3 other guys waiting didn't even bat an eyelid.

 

[webtaxman]

Check out the BS and self righteous group at the link. I am sure the Pharmacies are funding them.

ecigpetition

Show them this: The FDA doesn't regulate (supposedly) diet nor energy products--supplemental energy boosts. Trust me, the under 18 crowd is being targeted for "energy boosters" ad they are buying them up faster than candy.

Hypocrites....

 

[chief druid]

wow thats some proper leagal jargon!!!!!!

 

[ladyraj]

VaporPete and PlanetoftheVapes, I totally agree with you and limit my own use in public. What kind of reaction can be expected from a crowded restaurant if an e-smoker whips out a 901 and starts blowing clouds of vapor after completing a meal? Trouble? Maybe. But ugly, ugly public relations, for sure, among other diners who expect a smokefree environment and perceive a violation. Absolutely, perception is important.

And if one more fool says we who practice discretion and courtesy are cowards or hiding in the shadows, I want to personally break his/her e-cig in half and ram it somewhere. If cigarette smokers had, over the years, been more courteous in public, some of today's restrictions might not have the popular support to become law. But nooooo, smokers could smoke anywhere. And they did, to the disgust of the larger public. Now smokers pay by being unable to smoke anywhere in public.

Politicians have all the support they need to further ram it to users of tobacco. E-smokers do NOT want to be associated with tobacco users. Smokers lost their war, shot themselves actually. They're effectively history and they're now the ones forced to hide in the shadows to satisfy their addiction. E-smoking represents the future. Don't blow tomorrow with your actions today.

Oh Please...With all due respect paid to your mostly logical thoughts...you are still a smoker. Your vapes a little cleaner but you are sucking nicotine in your lungs. If you think the anti-smoking crowd sees the e-cig as different than smoking...you are shooting yourself in the foot. As a smoker, I do not go gently into the historical record, age and wisdom has taught me that what the tide washes in the tide will wash back out again. I am not an addict, I simply enjoy smoking, if you have bought into the addicted image you are a product of mainstream media. Nicotine addiction is not coded by the DSM or the ICD unless you want to STOP SMOKING. That millions of Americans are unaware of this is unfortunate and a tribute to the paid meddlers for the success of their misinformation campaign.

Perhaps you are unaware of the historical record of tobacco and society. A little background may help you understand the e-cig is not that revolutionary. Prior to mass produced cigarettes people chewed or snorted tobacco derivatives and smoked pipes or roll your owns. Most didn't inhale the smoke into their lungs and smoking was segregated into smoking rooms only. There were prescriptions and home remedies for the oils from tobacco. Thru out tobacco's history there is a love hate relationship that shifts with societal views. Smoking has been banned many times, and unbanned many times. Our current era is prohibition, it will not stand, humans hate being told what to do. So they invent an alternative that may be more amenable to the anti-smoking establishment. To bad the group sees it as too much like smoking to be acceptable. You see you can't escape the fact that smoking is smoking and nicotine is derived from big bad tobacco. If you choose to vape flavors you will still be viewed as a scofflaw in public.

An interesting site for the tobacco timeline from academia if your inclined for some informative reading. I find it useful for gaining the bigger picture;

Tobacco TimeLine

 

[wv2win]

....
Another way to look at it would be to pretend it's the 20's and cigarette smoking is just catching on and you want to start off by being courteous up front instead of discourteous jerks like many smokers became in later years. LOL

Robbie

Good point.

 

[wv2win]

My credo is educate first. Last year, with my new penstyle e-cig in my pocket, I went for a haircut. Men talk in barber shops. No gossip stuff. Just ... talk. So I told the barber and those present about my e-cig. Took it out. Demonstrated it. Explained that vapor isn't smoke and no laws are being broken by using it indoors in a public place. Then I proceeded to puff away as my hair was cut.

Since that time, I've used it freely in that barber shop.

Yesterday, I went for a haircut and lo and behold the shop owner whipped out his new e-cig. He's a huge Harley-Davidson fan, with a pony tail to his waist, mid-40s, and he bought a Smoke51 at Bike Week in Daytona. Happy as a lark! He puffed and I whipped out my Janty Kissbox and I puffed.

There were four people in the barber shop at that slow hour. And two of them were e-smoking.

Educate first. It works wonders for the future.

I agree Bob. My idea of being a polite cheerleader is to educate in a positive manner and hope that those listening grasp the difference between vaping and smoking. If they don't, I will leave it alone.

 

[ladyraj]

From the tobacco timeline:

1973 "A cigarette is a system for delivery of nicotine to the smoker in attractive, useful form. At normal smoke pH, at or below 6.0, the smoke nicotine is...slowly absorbed by the smoker. . . As the smoke pH increases above about 6.0, an increasing portion of the total smoke nicotine occurs in free form, which is rapidly absorbed by the smoker and...instantly perceived as a nicotine kick."

The definition is closely related to the e-cig as there is no mention of other substances, only nicotine. This fosters the belief that nicotine is a drug that produces a high and therefore must be regulated. The reference to "system of delivery" enhances the perception that the e-cig is a drug delivery device.

If we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. Fight the terminology of the counterpart to the e-cig and you have legal standing. Cigarettes are, and will remain, legal. The e-cig got into trouble via health claims, the tobacco companies have successfully navigated these issues and for what it's worth can serve as a model. The nuances in legalities are myriad and expensive for small corporations...study the company that has already spent the money for the fight. Use them and avoid their pitfalls.

 

[westcoast2]

Perception...

if you only vape in a smoking allowed area, what perception does this give? What do you then associate with vaping? What are you trying not to associate with vaping?

Asking permssion in someone elses establishment is a courtesy, in public there are no 'rules' about vaping (are there?), so why self impose a set of rules that do not apply?

The reason for smoking restrictions (at least in the UK) was harm to others and 'protect the workers'. Is this the case with the e-cig?

 

[pea]

im so angry right now

 

[Mohave]

It is really just one fool.

ASH is the personal pet vehicle for prestige and publicity (and an excuse to print important looking business cards and letterhead) for John F. Banzhaf, a professor at George Washington University. He is a professional class action lawsuit ....., using his students as the free raw material and labor source to pursue his brainstorms. He hit the jackpot by coming up with the idea of suing tobacco companies, and that is how he finances his life as a prolific busybody.

He likes to get on TV a lot, as an "expert" on pretty much anything.

He has lately turned his attention to suing providers of food for making people fat, among other things.

Another case that attracted much attention targeted the McDonald's restaurant chain. One of Banzhaf's students, James Pizzirusso, successfully sued McDonald's in 2001 for precooking their french fries in beef fat and not warning vegetarians and beef-avoiders about it; in 2002 he won a class-action settlement of $12.5 million.

John F. Banzhaf III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Horrors, there could be meat in McDonald's; who would've thought?

His most recent invention for creative lawsuits and publicity is something called "potty parity." I refuse to look that up to find out exactly what he means. I think there is someone here who probably will think it sounds like a sane idea.

He likes attention. Don't give him any.

 

[Jim Davis]

The bad part of this as far as I see it, are claims from a large amount of e-cig suppliers and distributors.

Smoke Anywhere!! Beat the Smoking Ban!!

Anti Smokers see these statements, and they go spastic.

For most sellers, beating the ban came first, and better health followed up second.
I expect things to get much worse.

 

[RandallFlagg]

ASH is the personal pet vehicle for prestige and publicity (and an excuse to print important looking business cards and letterhead) for John F. Banzhaf, a professor at George Washington University. He is a professional class action lawsuit ....., using his students as the free raw material and labor source to pursue his brainstorms. He hit the jackpot by coming up with the idea of suing tobacco companies, and that is how he finances his life as a prolific busybody.

He likes to get on TV a lot, as an "expert" on pretty much anything.

He has lately turned his attention to suing providers of food for making people fat, among other things.John F. Banzhaf III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His most recent invention for creative lawsuits and publicity is something called "potty parity." I refuse to look that up to find out exactly what he means. I think there is someone here who probably will think it sounds like a sane idea.

Excellent! Thank you for researching this idiot. Beat me to it, in fact.

These frakking nannystaters will be the end of all freedoms if they're taken more seriously than they already are.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The bad part of this as far as I see it, are claims from a large amount of e-cig suppliers and distributors.

Smoke Anywhere!! Beat the Smoking Ban!!

Anti Smokers see these statements, and they go spastic.

For most sellers, beating the ban came first, and better health followed up second.
I expect things to get much worse.

I have given them the term, "Tobaccophobes."
It has nothing to do with health, smell, or anything like that.
It has to do with power over others, and they are afraid of losing theirs.

 

[Jim Davis]

I have given them the term, "Tobaccophobes."
It has nothing to do with health, smell, or anything like that.
It has to do with power over others, and they are afraid of losing theirs.

I have to agree as well as disagree with your points.

I does have to do with health & smell. Especially smell. Since I've been vaping, I find analog smell offensive. As an ex analog user, I wouldn't think of complaining.

It does have to do with power, and seeing the "beat the Ban" crap, they know they'll loose power.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I have to agree as well as disagree with your points.

I does have to do with health & smell. Especially smell. Since I've been vaping, I find analog smell offensive. As an ex analog user, I wouldn't think of complaining.

It does have to do with power, and seeing the "beat the Ban" crap, they know they'll loose power.

I've watched tobaccophobes walk across streets to complain about the smell and hazards to their health in the faces of people smoking analogs, minding their own business.
They're going after people in their own homes. In their own vehicles.

 

[Jim Davis]

I've watched tobaccophobes walk across streets to complain about the smell and hazards to their health in the faces of people smoking analogs, minding their own business.
They're going after people in their own homes. In their own vehicles.

That's right. As I posted in the travel forum, Indianapolis Airport has banned smoking on airport property. Even on the access roads in your own car. $50.00 fine.

And, as I also said, I *will* get worse.

 

[Demiurge]

...I called them

 

[Demiurge]

...I called them

It's not a war on smoking. It's a war on personal freedom.

 

[RandallFlagg]

...I called them

So, what is their excuse?