Am I the Only One who Prefers a Single Coil ?

[turbocad6]

I agree that mesh can be an awesome pure experience, but it's so hit and miss and it doesn't take much to knock it out of whack, that combined with the inevitable leaking if carried in a pocket all day has kept me away for the most part, but I do chase trying to get that same "ultimate vape" that you can get with a genie when the moon and the stars align and honestly I think I've come damn close with a few builds using kgd... namely being a chalice, the rose v2 and a prometey 2... these 3 for me really get close to the ultimate experience of a genie at it's best... even if it's only 94% there, guess I'd rather have a consistent 94% all the time rather than having the potential for 100% but being very hit and miss to get there.

 

[EddieAdams]

See I've had the exact opposite experience with mesh. Hard to initially setup, time consuming, tricky and tedious but, once correct your setup will last anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks depending on what it is and how neurotic you are about rebuilding again. It's not hard once you understand what's going on and IMHO very much worth the extra effort...

 

[turbocad6]

I've been ok with genies until the dna40, the dna40 makes it much harder because any miniscule slight change in resistance, even a few hundredths of an ohm just make the dna40 bug out... I originally was hoping the genie would be a good thing with the dna40 but it's the opposite

 

[EddieAdams]

I've been ok with genies until the dna40, the dna40 makes it much harder because any miniscule slight change in resistance, even a few hundredths of an ohm just make the dna40 bug out... I originally was hoping the genie would be a good thing with the dna40 but it's the opposite

That sounds odd. I don't know much about it though. You mean like it detects a short?

 

[turbocad6]

the dna40 uses Ni200 wire which is very low resistance, a typical coil is in the .10 range, were talking builds like .09, .14 etc... this Ni200 wire increases resistance as it heats up and the temp is controlled by measuring the resistance... for example a .1 build may wind up going up to say .16 at 400 degrees, this is how the dna40 controls temp, by measuring the resistance... if it sees an extra .02 lets say, this would severely impact the resulting control... once it detects abnormal resistance readings of any kind, even a few hundreths it ruins the control aspect, the dna40 will jump back to kanthal mode or just not reach any kind of vaping temps, etc... the dna doesn't deal with anything less than a rock solid stable resistance... many problems caused by 510 connections less than perfect, wire posts less than perfect, it's very intolerant to any kind of instability in the resistance reading...

I've tried many times to get a genny to work with temp control but it just at some point invariably shorts just enough to add a few points to the resistance and then bang, it just sucks. only successful build in a genny with the dna40 for me has been wrapping cotton around the tip of ss cable, q tip type thing, isolates the coil and works well but to me once you're using cotton in a genny it's no longer a genny, defeats the purpose in the first place... I tried over and over and over again with cable and mesh, really wanted to get this particular setup to work with temp control but it just ain't happening. no matter how much I get it to working fine it's only a matter of time till it just starts bugging out

 

[EddieAdams]

the dna40 uses Ni200 wire which is very low resistance, a typical coil is in the .10 range, were talking builds like .09, .14 etc... this Ni200 wire increases resistance as it heats up and the temp is controlled by measuring the resistance... for example a .1 build may wind up going up to say .16 at 400 degrees, this is how the dna40 controls temp, by measuring the resistance... if it sees an extra .02 lets say, this would severely impact the resulting control... once it detects abnormal resistance readings of any kind, even a few hundreths it ruins the control aspect, the dna40 will jump back to kanthal mode or just not reach any kind of vaping temps, etc... the dna doesn't deal with anything less than a rock solid stable resistance... many problems caused by 510 connections less than perfect, wire posts less than perfect, it's very intolerant to any kind of instability in the resistance reading...

I've tried many times to get a genny to work with temp control but it just at some point invariably shorts just enough to add a few points to the resistance and then bang, it just sucks. only successful build in a genny with the dna40 for me has been wrapping cotton around the tip of ss cable, q tip type thing, isolates the coil and works well but to me once you're using cotton in a genny it's no longer a genny, defeats the purpose in the first place... I tried over and over and over again with cable and mesh, really wanted to get this particular setup to work with temp control but it just ain't happening. no matter how much I get it to working fine it's only a matter of time till it just starts bugging out

I get it now. Thanks. Mighty nice build too....

 

[Hemptation]

Mmhmm. And even more finicky than nichrome. Is pure Nickle
Or pure titanium.

This build reads in at .08. And is actually a jam up Vape for high VG juices at 580 degrees and 35 watts.

Back on the single coil action. I personally am a flavor chaser. And have no worries about juice conservation. Lol n so here are my Reos with SOV 5k's on both. Twisted 26 gauge. Reading in aroun .4.

 

[PapawBrett]

I know this is about coils, but- I am getting more enjoyment out of my RM2's and Kayfuns using the same coils and some KohGenDo cotton someone was kind enough to send me. Works really well in the single coil 1.5 to 2.0 range I enjoy.

 

[Woofer]

Single coil all the way here.

 

[Paramaniac413]

I love my single coil setups!

 

[pls0138]

I'm to the point where I'm basically done with dual coil builds. For me, a single coil set up give me an overall better, more consistent vape. For a dual coil to be at it's best, the coils have to be almost identical in every way, which is more time consuming and requires more practice and patience (which I apparently don't have haha). Secondly, I could never find a good wattage/voltage setting that gave me a comfortable vape with a dual coil build. The higher settings gave me a better, more consistent heating/ramp up time, but the vape ends up being too hot for my taste. At the lower settings, I get the cooler vape, but a slower more inconsistent ramp up time.
Lately, I've been doing twisted and/or parallel single coil builds. This has been kind of the best of both worlds for me, I can get some of the added warmth, density, and flavor of a dual coil set up with the ease, consistency, and flexibility of a single coil set up.

 

[becosemsaida]

As it seems i found a thread with dinosaurs and people going back to the basics, just my favorite ones....

Ok, so i tried it all: dual, triple, quadruple etc. etc. with drippers, tanks and other stuff "outdated" and always seem to go back to the simple things: tank with single, 0,5- 1.0Ohm and 17 to 25W just what i like.

I have some friends that started after me and are using high power builds, lots of them complicated, and expensive mods (ok, i spend much money too i admit) but it's not for me. For my daily usage its very simple: give me a kayfun with a nice build and a bottle of juice and i'm happy... LOL
Don't get me wrong i like to make a build and blow some nice clouds FOR FUN but not to get used to it.

I don't mind the juice it burns as long as i have nice flavor and a mild temp. vape .... So one more for the usage of SINGLE coil and vaping as it easy as it can be.
Doing this for too long i think, getting old.......

Beco

 

[Tmg666]

Just tried a single coiled twisted 26g Kanthal. And let me tell you it really is terrible. If i was vaping unflavored juice it would probably been fine for the clouds @ 40watts. But compared to a regular single microcoil on it. 10/10 il take the normal microcoil.

 

[PapawBrett]

One of my favorite single coils setups is the Veritas (remodeled for bottom feed) with a single horizontal coil at 1.8 ohms. The VV Grand it calls home does a good job with the power supply, and by draping the wicks into both corners of the juice well I almost never worry about a dry hit.
If I might add - I use two different gauge Kanthal, all depending on the application. For my 'at work' Grands / RM2, which live a rough life, I use 28g Kanthal. It's sturdier, and I just unwind one wrap from the spool, cut in half, and wrap a 3/32 seven wrap that puts me near 1.5 ohms. That's where I like to run my Grands.
However, for my VV Grands / RM2 and ProVari / Kayfuns, I use 30 gauge. Again unwind one wrap from the spool and cut in half, do a seven wrap on a 3/32 drill bit, and it gets me at 1.8 to 2.0 ohms for my 'at home' devices.
The Veritas, while nice, is a little trickier as I 'suspend' a single five wrap in front of the air hole and have to use longer legs to reach to posts. But the 30g still gets me in the 1.8 to 2.0 range I like.
All together, I use these methods to get the vape I want. As our friend Bronze says "Found my Comfort Zone".

And I am happy in my "Comfort Zone", dinosaur or not.

 

[kkay59]

The Derringer can be run in single coil. I have tried it both ways. I just have one of the cheap clones, but it still has good flavor, and it is very easy to coil, and use. This is a very tiny atty though. It won't hold much juice at all. Mine doesn't leak. If you could get it converted to a bottom feeder, you would probably like it.

 

[PapawBrett]

The Derringer can be run in single coil. I have tried it both ways. I just have one of the cheap clones, but it still has good flavor, and it is very easy to coil, and use. This is a very tiny atty though. It won't hold much juice at all. Mine doesn't leak. If you could get it converted to a bottom feeder, you would probably like it.

Last time I checked, Chowderhead (Tom) at Catfish Atty Mods had a waiting list for the Derringers he was setting up for BF. Might have to go back and get an update on that one....

 

[Bronze]

One of my favorite single coils setups is the Veritas (remodeled for bottom feed) with a single horizontal coil at 1.8 ohms. The VV Grand it calls home does a good job with the power supply, and by draping the wicks into both corners of the juice well I almost never worry about a dry hit.
If I might add - I use two different gauge Kanthal, all depending on the application. For my 'at work' Grands / RM2, which live a rough life, I use 28g Kanthal. It's sturdier, and I just unwind one wrap from the spool, cut in half, and wrap a 3/32 seven wrap that puts me near 1.5 ohms. That's where I like to run my Grands.
However, for my VV Grands / RM2 and ProVari / Kayfuns, I use 30 gauge. Again unwind one wrap from the spool and cut in half, do a seven wrap on a 3/32 drill bit, and it gets me at 1.8 to 2.0 ohms for my 'at home' devices.
The Veritas, while nice, is a little trickier as I 'suspend' a single five wrap in front of the air hole and have to use longer legs to reach to posts. But the 30g still gets me in the 1.8 to 2.0 range I like.
All together, I use these methods to get the vape I want. As our friend Bronze says "Found my Comfort Zone".

And I am happy in my "Comfort Zone", dinosaur or not.

Pops, no one can accuse you of being a dinosaur after experimenting with numerous coil configurations. You, like many others have discovered, reverted back to a simple horizontal coil from whence we came from the beginning. They just work and much of the hype with all the other coil configurations is just folly for many of us.

 

[kkay59]

I am not going to do any fancy coils. If taste is barely detectible, if that...I'm not going to bother with the extra work. I will either stay with horizontal coils, or do a vertical one, depending on the device I'm coiling.

 

[YoMa!]

I was wondering about the dual coils since it seems they are most prevalent now and I want taste anyway. I think I'll stick to my single. Plus my cigarette smoking friends think it's hilarious when I choke on my vape from too much "cloud".

 

[WillyZee]

single coil Kayfun is what works for me ... build them all the exact same