Amount of WTA's in the DIY as Opposed to Flavored: A Question

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:( I asked the same question a month ago and didn't get an answer or a cookie.

Can I get a cookie for a different question? Do the flavored juices ever come in larger amounts? I like to buy a bigger bottle.

Ok you can have a cookie and and answer. We all want bigger bottles of the flavored WTA but until they are really able to get production ramped up that's not going to happenimage.jpg
 

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Combing through the old threads here, I only found one that gives a little insight to the amount of WTA vs. ordninary nicotine in the flavors.

Post #75 in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ell-us-your-experience-wta-4.html#post6408563

I'm working this out but when confirmed it will make no difference if you order high 24 MG nic or 12 MG nic when it comes to the amount of minor alkaloids in each bottle.

In simple terms you will get the same amount of minor alkaloids if you order 12 MG or 24 MG flavored eliquid. The only difference between the two is the amount of nicotine percentage.

From that we can infer that the nic content of 24mg flavored is no more that 50% WTA. But since we still don't know how much of the 12mg is WTA, we're still in the dark about the actual WTA content.

Is the Red Tail line supposed to have the same amount of WTA as the Aroma line? My impression is from vaping them is that they are different. Maybe that's just the VG vs. PG as a carrier?
 

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Combing through the old threads here, I only found one that gives a little insight to the amount of WTA vs. ordninary nicotine in the flavors.

Post #75 in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ell-us-your-experience-wta-4.html#post6408563



From that we can infer that the nic content of 24mg flavored is no more that 50% WTA. But since we still don't know how much of the 12mg is WTA, we're still in the dark about the actual WTA content.

Is the Red Tail line supposed to have the same amount of WTA as the Aroma line? My impression is from vaping them is that they are different. Maybe that's just the VG vs. PG as a carrier?

Your a little late so no cookie for you. Go back 1 page and read the Post by Dvap. I believe it's the 9th post on the page. He gives a very good breakdown and explanation on the amount of WTA in the liquids
 

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I have noticed that the pg flavors seem to have a little more noticeable affect than the VG. I don't know for sure but assume that it is because pg particles are smaller and are either absorbed more or just the reaction is quicker.

Since its mainly the PG that's the flavor carrier in Eliquids I think it would also be safe to assume it also does a better job of carrying the alkaloids
 

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Your a little late so no cookie for you. Go back 1 page and read the Post by Dvap. I believe it's the 9th post on the page. He gives a very good breakdown and explanation on the amount of WTA in the liquids

Yup, I've read his post at least 3 or 4 times.

The flavored WTA line will contain a percentage of WTA (nicotine and minor alkaloids) and a percentage of non-WTA nicotine. So in the case of a 24 mg flavored liquid, it might contain (and this is just an example), 60% WTA and 40% nicotine. The result of this mix would be:

I took "might" and "just an example" as indication that those were theoretical percentages, not necessarily the actual percentages that apply to Aroma's WTA product.
 

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We can approximate the maximum amount of WTA that is in the flavored liquids (even with the added nic). How is this possible? As of 6/19/12, Jerry decided he wanted the consumer to pay one price for the same concentration of WTA, no matter the amount of additional nic (the prices remained the same but the WTA percentages were changed, presumably in the 12 mg/mL unless the 24/mL mg came down some in WTA). If the 24 mg/mL and the 12 mg/mL have the "same amount" of WTA, the ceiling would be whatever can go in the 12 mg/mL. Of course the most *WTA that can go in 12 mg/mL is 12 mg/mL, so that would mean the most in 24 mg/mL would be 12 mg/mL. My theory is that originally when Jerry first moved to making the flavored WTA line, the percentage of WTA was the same in 12 mg and 24 mg/mL, but after consideration of the price being the same for both, but with different WTA concentrations, the concentration of WTA in the 12 mg was bumped up (but not above 12 mg) to coincide with whatever was in the 24 mg.

The flavored WTA line is different than the DIY WTA.

When you buy 15 mL of 24 mg DIY WTA, you're getting the following mixture:

0.36 grams (360 mg) of WTA extracted from tobacco plus vaping base added to bring the total volume to 15 mL. When you divide 360 mg by 15 mL, you get 24 mg/mL. Assuming the oft quoted 95/5 ratio of nicotine to minor alkaloids in WTA, this gives 22.8 mg/mL of nicotine and 1.2 mg/mL of minor alkaloids. The source of both the nicotine and the minor alkaloids is the tobacco extraction.

* One issue I have with the wording on the site is that AeJ sells "nicotine dosages." I guess it's not a HUGE issue as there's always a +/- with actual concentrations in our eliquids, but either the wording is incorrect, or we are assuming the wrong thing. If we buy the 24 mg/mL Unflavored WTA (WTA exclusive) liquid that means then (if it's truly 24 mg/mL "nicotine dosage") the bottle is about 25.27 mg/mL WTA and approximately 24 mg/ml nicotine. It's not a big deal, but if the WTA is 24 mg/mL, as DVap already pointed out, the nicotine would be about 22.8 mg/mL. So are we buying a nicotine dosage at 24 mg/mL or are buying a WTA dosage at 24 mg/mL? It's not totally splitting hairs, though some may think so.

*edit* I have been working on this post off and on since this morning and I seriously had no idea about SueGeo's post (and we hadn't spoken about it at any point). It was not planned or anything remotely close. When I first started typing this up early this morning, that post wasn't there, so I was completely unaware of it until just now when I hit post. Anyway, just pointing out that there wasn't a concerted effort to bring up the exact same points (and the same freakin' link. Jeezus!) Truly serendipitous.
 
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If we buy the 24 mg/mL Unflavored WTA (WTA exclusive) liquid that means then .....

Mr. Mann,

You have only made a few posts here on the Aroma form but you keep bringing up the term "WTA Exclusive"

What the heck is "WTA Exclusive"?

Dvap never called his WTA "exclusive" and neither did Aroma Ejuice when classifying WTA.
 
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Yup, I've read his post at least 3 or 4 times.



I took "might" and "just an example" as indication that those were theoretical percentages, not necessarily the actual percentages that apply to Aroma's WTA product.

Mr. Mann,

You have only made a few posts here on the Aroma form but you keep bringing up the term "WTA Exclusive"

What the heck is "WTA Exclusive"?

Dvap never called his WTA "exclusive" and neither did Aroma Ejuice when classifying WTA.

I'm sure you are well aware of ECF and the rules with trolling so I can only assume its a mistake when you come along trying to ask a question along with using the term that is not even synonymous to WTA.

Ha! That's what you picked out of my post to say that I am trolling? Come on, Radiokaos. I still have a thread going in here form last year. A few posts? That's NOT true either as I used to post over here often. And anyway, everyone at some point only had a few posts here, even you. LOL.

Now, on to "WTA exclusive" liquid. What is it? It is a liquid that is exclusively WTA, as opposed to nic + WTA as explained by DVap here about the liquid he made.

Or, read this from your own forum:

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What you can expect is to see Jerry's flavored WTA liquids selling out far less often, and also you should also expect to see the availability of 24 mg unflavored WTA exclusive liquid become much more regular....

Remember now?
 

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Mr. Mann,

You have only made a few posts here on the Aroma form but you keep bringing up the term "WTA Exclusive"

What the heck is "WTA Exclusive"?

Dvap never called his WTA "exclusive" and neither did Aroma Ejuice when classifying WTA.

Nice to see you managed to slip your shackles and come out to visit us Jerry
 

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Ha! That's what you picked out of my post to say that I am trolling? Come on, Radiokaos. I still have a thread going in here form last year. A few posts? That's NOT true either as I used to post over here often. And anyway, everyone at some point only had a few posts here, even you. LOL.

Now, on to "WTA exclusive" liquid. What is it? It is a liquid that is exclusively WTA, as opposed to nic + WTA as explained by DVap here about the liquid he made.

Or, read this from your own forum:



Remember now?

someone's feisty today :)
 
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Ha! That's what you picked out of my post to say that I am trolling? Come on, Radiokaos. I still have a thread going in here form last year. A few posts? That's NOT true either as I used to post over here often. And anyway, everyone at some point only had a few posts here, even you. LOL.

Now, on to "WTA exclusive" liquid. What is it? It is a liquid that is exclusively WTA, as opposed to nic + WTA as explained by DVap here about the liquid he made.

Or, read this from your own forum:



Remember now?
You certainly are trolling. A question was asked, your man DVap answered. Yet you chose to spend an apparently considerable amount of time recalculating and cyphering in order to...what? Show up and regale us with the magnificence of your critical thinking? You like the other guy's WTA. We get that. But why are you so obsessed with semantics and minutia that you feel like you need to .... in? Is DVap's word not good enough? Does the fact that Aroma WTA is absolutely verifiable by DVap himself mean nothing to you? If you like the other guy's stuff vape it. Nobody cares.
It's obvious from your post quoted above that your purpose was nothing but to get a rise out of Jerry, which you did. That is called trolling.
 
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