An Interesting, Informative and Alarming Article: How Big Tobacco Went To War With A Tiny Country

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On another note, does the fact that Uruguay banned E-Cigarettes suggest anything related to what we're discussing here? Several countries have similar bans, largely out of ignorance. Heck..you guys in the US are going through battle after battle educating your lawmakers about e-cigarettes. The EU misquoted Farsalino's research to justify a stupid policy. Should we take this to suggest anything at all with regards to what we're discussing here?

Unfortunately, I do not believe for a second that "ignorance" has anything to do with it.

Yes, people who put forth such bans are counting on the "ignorance" and misinformation of their "minions"; the average anti-smoking Joe who is stirring the public against us: "I may be dangerous, no-one knows what's in there..."

But it is not the average Joe who has the power to write the laws.

Those who have the power to do it, are not "ignorant" at all. In fact, they know very well what they're doing, and nothing will stop them (including playing with people's health and possibly lifes) to further their agenda, and to secure the gravy train for themselves.

See the new TPD in Europe: lobbyists from BOTH BT and BP got together to "convince" BG (not that there was much "convincing" needed) to create a Directive that will, for all practical purposes, AID tobacco cigarette sales.

Of course, ALL three of them (Big tobacco, Big Pharma and Big Government) have a lot to lose with the e-cigarette's competition against tobacco...! :(
 
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good find, Uma! :thumb:

Yes, and it IS interesting that a so-called Cancer Society is rabidly opposed to a product (such as e-cigs) that does not cause cancer but that replaces a product that is said to cause cancer. But then, of course:

The 130-page document linked below explains in detail why the American Cancer Society may be far more interested in accumulating cash than curing any disease. The ACS has close ties to the mammography industry, the cancer drug industry, and the pesticide industry

Don't bite the hand that feeds you, eh? Make sure that the cancer drug industry will have many customers in future, eh?

"The ACS ... [has] long continued to devote virtually exclusive priority to research on diagnosis and treatment of cancer, with indifference to prevention, other than faulty personal lifestyle, commonly known as 'blame the victim,' ... ".

Yes. That rings a bell.
Smoke and maybe get cancer and feed our buddies in the cancer drug industry.
Or quit. With the help of our buddies in the Pharmafia. Never mind that their quit aids are crap. They are profitable.
But use a less harmful alternative that will not feed our darling Pharma buddies? Not on your life. BAN that healthier alternative immediately!

Money. Not health. Money.
 
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I like your whole post Anja, but LOVE this word! (I'm stealing it, btw :D )
Same here! Love it!!

That at article listed the major leading causes of avoidable deaths... like stress ... the main objective the antis have for us.
Here's another article that sheds light on the missing link of avoidable causes of death...
"According to a new study just out from the prestigious Journal of Patient Safety, four times as many people die from preventable medical errors than we thought, as many as 440,000 a year." Imagine that.
Stunning News On Preventable Deaths In Hospitals - Forbes

The study. A New, Evidence-based Estimate of Patient Harms Associated w... : Journal of Patient Safety

Something tells me it's closer to 800,000. Due to their blaming everything under the sun on smoking instead of doing true investigating with non biased non tunnel vision grant funded ... Oy! I must stop there before I get a notice from the mods lol.
 

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It's a glorious system, isn't it?

We have a major addiction problem. Let's eliminate it by education, regulation, and demonization.

Ok that didn't completely work, we still have lingering addicts. So let's take advantage of that.

Let's charge sky-high taxes on the demonized drug. We can justify it by reminding everyone that using the drug is a "sin," and remind people that it's their fault they still use it because they could quit if they tried hard enough.

Let's develop expensive treatments for the drug's effects, and make the user pay for them. Again, it's their own fault anyway.

Oh, there are new treatment options to help people quit by feeding the addiction a little? Let's charge sky-high prices for that too, and keep the dose low so it doesn't really work. We'll tell them if they really want to quit, they'll pay those high prices, and when it doesn't work, remind them that they just weren't trying hard enough and they could've quit if they put in a little more effort.

Finally, a new product comes on the market that feeds the addiction but doesn't have any of the drug's negative effects... but we're making so much money off of the drug now! Act fast! We need to put out a massive smear campaign to demonize this new product so we can justify to the public a set of suffocating regulations that will make this product disappear and protect all of our profits!

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Uruguay has a simple solution if they had the nerve to pull it off. Triple the taxes on cigarettes and use the money to subsidize the sale of e-cigarettes. They could require the e-cigarettes be sold anywhere combustible cigarettes are sold, with prominent advertising.

The problem would solve itself in no time, and the tobacco companies wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Complain about high taxes?? Yeah right like that will get you anywhere....:laugh:

THIS +++++++++!!

The "potentials" are unimaginable.
 

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It's a glorious system, isn't it?

We have a major addiction problem. Let's eliminate it by education, regulation, and demonization.

Ok that didn't completely work, we still have lingering addicts. So let's take advantage of that.

Let's charge sky-high taxes on the demonized drug. We can justify it by reminding everyone that using the drug is a "sin," and remind people that it's their fault they still use it because they could quit if they tried hard enough.

Let's develop expensive treatments for the drug's effects, and make the user pay for them. Again, it's their own fault anyway.

Oh, there are new treatment options to help people quit by feeding the addiction a little? Let's charge sky-high prices for that too, and keep the dose low so it doesn't really work. We'll tell them if they really want to quit, they'll pay those high prices, and when it doesn't work, remind them that they just weren't trying hard enough and they could've quit if they put in a little more effort.

Finally, a new product comes on the market that feeds the addiction but doesn't have any of the drug's negative effects... but we're making so much money off of the drug now! Act fast! We need to put out a massive smear campaign to demonize this new product so we can justify to the public a set of suffocating regulations that will make this product disappear and protect all of our profits!

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Absolutely! Excellent posting - and excellent summary of the situation - thank you very much :thumb:
 

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Ever wondered why the latest spots don't show the (in)famous analog-puffing cowboy during daylight anymore ?

'Ain't done coughing till sunset, man...'
Nobody saying it good to do. But, the bad has been so demonized, tunnel visioned suspected, junk science tested, incredibly taxed for PROFIT, that it's worth mentioning.
You can't help a person by taking full advantage of them, depressing them, oppressing them, feeding them frets about this cancer or that, treating them like murderers, accusing them of being addicts, and so on. But you can form official groups, invent special "programs and pre conclusive studies" and get rich. After all is said and done, I'd rather be the one demonized than the one who demonizes.
Ever wonder why cancer rates keep going up, while smoking rates leveled off? Now, with eCigs, the smoking is declining faster and faster.
What I'd love, more than anything in the world, would be to be able to trust the "healthcare" system. They've broken many a heart over the years, & they just keep doing what they've been doing because it's working for them. Check out their bank accounts, take 2 aspirin, then don't call me in the morning.
 
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