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From the article:
"It's not clear how many of the 275 added cases occurred in the last week, and how many are being logged long after they happened. The CDC has not released details on when symptoms began in each case.
The agency's count includes only illnesses that have met certain criteria. Other illnesses are also being investigated."
So they are going back and classifying these things after the fact. How long after the fact we don't know. And what the "certain criteria" are, we don't know. What the "other illnesses" are, we don't know that either. Really? I find this all a bit hard to believe. Draw your own conclusions.
"It's not clear how many of the 275 added cases occurred in the last week, and how many are being logged long after they happened. The CDC has not released details on when symptoms began in each case.
The agency's count includes only illnesses that have met certain criteria. Other illnesses are also being investigated."
So they are going back and classifying these things after the fact. How long after the fact we don't know. And what the "certain criteria" are, we don't know. What the "other illnesses" are, we don't know that either. Really? I find this all a bit hard to believe. Draw your own conclusions.
Pretty amazing that no one else in the world has died from "vaping". By the way the media is carrying on you would think thousands have died.
So they aren't tracking cigarette related smoking deaths anymore? Just vaping related. I wonder how the numbers compare.
Has anyone found information or pictures of the cartridges that are likely responsible? I would like to spread the word about the real threat, hopefully save some people from getting ill or dying.
What do you mean, "We"?
Look at the average ages. These are not people exclusively vaping nicotine in PG/VG to replace a decades-old smoking habit.
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I have this weird symptom from vaping and quitting my 2 ppd habit over 6 years ago.. a symptom of much much improved health! Weird!
Blackmarket can come in all shapes, sizes and even branding – sometimes mimicking actual legit companies. If any of this was due to vaping an actual legit product from a specific manufacture, you would think authorities would have shut down operation by now.
What I find bizarre – when ever there is a contaminated food outbreak, authorities are on the case, immediately identifying the source and eradicating it as soon as possible. Drug related deaths are followed up with criminal investigations and sources/dealers have been charged with manslaughter.
800 illnesses and 13 deaths with not a single word of any of these actions.
Its only in America. Its really weird!
Wonder how many people die from food poisoning each year in the US?
Wonder how many people die from food poisoning each year in the US?
There are pics on google. The ones I have seen in person are skinny with metal tip and base. They could put the stuff in anything really, and could sell the liquid without a cartomizer...
The liquid tends to be a yellowy amber color.
I tell people I know who might use things like this that they better be sure they came from a legitimate place... No street drugs are "safe".
The one my sister had looked a lot like the atty and mods we use except in a very mini form. The juice was the color of honey.
Leafly did an excellent article on where the tainted cart parts are coming from but big media does not seem interested.
Yes, I read that article. There maybe some fact to it, but if it was that easy for a journalist to find the source, how come our law agencies have not been able to? 13 deaths, 800 so called confirmed cases and not a single legit product is being questioned. Nor any criminal investigation into illegal manufacturing and distribution of blackmarket products. Out of the so called 800 victims I find it difficult to believe not one is willing to reveal their source.
I feel like they’re using the incident to their (gov) advantage and investigating isn’t going to happen.
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I might get bashed for this, but I'm going to throw my opinion out here. I don't trust the government for one second. I think Sandy Hook was set-up. I think 9/11 was set-up. I don't believe we ever been to the moon yet. (lots of evidence for this)
I believe the Government uses "population control" and scare tactics to keep everyone in line per say and regulate us in order for them to keep their power over us. Don't get me wrong please, I feel horrible for the families that lost loved ones as a result of these incidents. Ever more so because our own Government did it to us. I would not put it past our Government to be behind this either. They are known to keep secrets from us. It boggles me how it only happens in the US.
I mean even little Danny in The Shining is wearing an Apollo sweatshirt in a scene. Weird.
I believe the Government uses "population control" and scare tactics to keep everyone in line per say and regulate us in order for them to keep their power over us. Don't get me wrong please, I feel horrible for the families that lost loved ones as a result of these incidents. Ever more so because our own Government did it to us. I would not put it past our Government to be behind this either. They are known to keep secrets from us. It boggles me how it only happens in the US.
I mean even little Danny in The Shining is wearing an Apollo sweatshirt in a scene. Weird.
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Just in California? There has to be regions that are much easier to at least find a street dealer. Admittedly I am not on par with US policies, but given we are dealing with illegal drugs in a few states (if not many), wouldn’t other agencies be involved?
LA is where they seem to think a lot of the counterfeits are coming from. The thing is, it may be legal in Cali but there are some illegal operations taking place there for the purpose of exporting to illegal states (also I guarantee the black market continues in CA to undercut the price of legal product).
There have been some busts of THC cart manufacturers. Use of vitamin E acetate is also still on the radar. There is still some sanity going on, it's just people who are more swayed by emotions really aren't going to listen to any of that. All they hear is 800 kids sick, 11 (or 13 whatever number) died due to vaping. It's a one liner they can get their head around, and they don't want more detail.
To be fair, tobacco and flavors have been under fire for a while. I haven't kept up with the details but menthol flavoring has been on the line long before this recent vaping craze.
What is strange to me is we know cigs kill people, so apparently the proposed laws have nothing to do with public health, since there is no real talk about the FDA intervening there. As long as it tastes bad or tastes like tobacco, it's all good?
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That written, my grandfather grew tobacco. Using tobacco is not new. He was trying to make a living, and it sold. It was basically the version of growing coffee, or grapes to make wine. None of this is really new, it's just politicians who see a big successful business and want to get in on it. Vaping seems to have reached that business tipping point, and now it has become a political concern.
To be fair, tobacco and flavors have been under fire for a while. I haven't kept up with the details but menthol flavoring has been on the line long before this recent vaping craze.
What is strange to me is we know cigs kill people, so apparently the proposed laws have nothing to do with public health, since there is no real talk about the FDA intervening there. As long as it tastes bad or tastes like tobacco, it's all good?
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That written, my grandfather grew tobacco. Using tobacco is not new. He was trying to make a living, and it sold. It was basically the version of growing coffee, or grapes to make wine. None of this is really new, it's just politicians who see a big successful business and want to get in on it. Vaping seems to have reached that business tipping point, and now it has become a political concern.
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