And now were up to 13.

[Punk In Drublic]

The one vial of THC that I purchased from a legal dispensary in Colorado looks like the first picture. There apparently is no way to distinguish between the legal and black market vials visually. They appear to be visually identical.

Catch the term CCELL? CCELL is also used by…..vaporesso which was developed by it’s parent company SMOORE (not to be confused with the marshmallow, chocolate and graham cracker snacks)

 

[Baditude]

Positive CA still has a healthy black market despite the legalities. Legal here in Canada but we also have a healthy black market.

LA maybe a large distribution hub, but is it the only distribution hub? That I doubt

Black market is marketedly less expensive than dispensary product. Kinda like vape batteries, cheap people will buy cheap batteries and brag what a great deal they got. The same goes for cannabis products.

 

[bnrkwest]

So FDA has no control over vape cartos for cannabis only tobacco, so by regulating nic vape devices they think that will squash illegal cannabis vaping??? How twisted is that!

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Black market is marketedly less expensive than dispensary product. Kinda like vape batteries, cheap people will buy cheap batteries and brag what a great deal they got. The same goes for cannabis products.

No denying that, which is why it is impossible to eradicate. But people have been using black market cannabis for decades without any ill effects – at least not on this scale. Vaping a cannabis product dates back to the 80’s Processing that product into an oil dates back even further. Cutting the product with Vit E is relatively new.

 

[Baditude]

No denying that, which is why it is impossible to eradicate. But people have been using black market cannabis for decades without any ill effects – at least not on this scale. Vaping a cannabis product dates back to the 80’s Processing that product into an oil dates back even further. Cutting the product with Vit E is relatively new.

I remember our US Government sprayed paraquat on marajuana in the late 70's in its attempt to enforce a prohibition on pot. How did that work out? It was all considered black market pot at that time.

Paraquat and marijuana: epidemiologic risk assessment.

Dank Vapes Is the "Biggest Conspiracy" in Pot That ... - Inverse

Myron Ronay, the CEO of BelCosta Labs, a cannabis testing lab in California, tells Inverse that they often see black-market products that contain unsafe levels of myclobutanil — a fungicide. When myclobutanil is heated, it releases toxic fumes, one of which is hydrogen cyanide. Small amounts of HCN are released when smoking cigarettes, but larger doses are lethal. HCN was a major component of Zyklon-B, the gas used in Nazi gas chambers. Unregulated products, like black-market Dank Vapes, have no one checking to see where that line is drawn.

“That’s one of the most commonly discussed pesticides. That’s definitely one that we see frequently in the underground market,” says Ronay.
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[fiddleshe]

I remember our US Government sprayed paraquat on marajuana in the late 70's in its attempt to enforce a prohibition on pot. How did that work out? It was all considered black market pot at that time.

Paraquat and marijuana: epidemiologic risk assessment.

Nah I was an infant. But paraquat sounds like a fruit I might wanna try.

 

[AngeNZ]

What do you mean, "We"?

Look at the average ages. These are not people exclusively vaping nicotine in PG/VG to replace a decades-old smoking habit.

This has been a red flag to me too - the majority of those affected are young males under the age of 30. Us nicotine vapers are (mainly) old farts over the age of 40 and there's a pretty even gender split

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I remember our US Government sprayed paraquat on marajuana in the late 70's in its attempt to enforce a prohibition on pot. How did that work out? It was all considered black market pot at that time.

Paraquat and marijuana: epidemiologic risk assessment.

Dank Vapes Is the "Biggest Conspiracy" in Pot That ... - Inverse

I have no idea how that worked out. Your link states “No clinical cases of paraquat poisoning were recognized among marijuana smokers”. And Wiki (cause Wiki is written by cats and cats are always right), states “A 1995 study found that "no lung or other injury in cannabis users has ever been attributed to paraquat contamination"

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Dank Vapes Is the "Biggest Conspiracy" in Pot That ... - Inverse

Myron Ronay, the CEO of BelCosta Labs, a cannabis testing lab in California, tells Inverse that they often see black-market products that contain unsafe levels of myclobutanil — a fungicide. When myclobutanil is heated, it releases toxic fumes, one of which is hydrogen cyanide. Small amounts of HCN are released when smoking cigarettes, but larger doses are lethal. HCN was a major component of Zyklon-B, the gas used in Nazi gas chambers. Unregulated products, like black-market Dank Vapes, have no one checking to see where that line is drawn.

“That’s one of the most commonly discussed pesticides. That’s definitely one that we see frequently in the underground market,” says Ronay.

Myclobutanil is a fungicide used on the crop. It is banned in many regions, but that may not prevent use. There is a process to remove Myclobutanil from the product, but again, that process has to be implemented. If Myclobutanil is used, and the product has not followed the process of removal, then why are only vapers of a cannabis product being affected and not smokers? Both are at risk.

 

[Baditude]

I have no idea how that worked out. Your link states “No clinical cases of paraquat poisoning were recognized among marijuana smokers”. And Wiki (cause Wiki is written by cats and cats are always right), states “A 1995 study found that "no lung or other injury in cannabis users has ever been attributed to paraquat contamination"

Well, you can take from that article that the government intentually sprayed a known toxic substance on pot plants to enforce prohibition.

To this day, "someone" is spraying myclobutanil — a fungicide on pot. When myclobutanil is heated, it releases toxic fumes, one of which is hydrogen cyanide.

"“That’s one of the most commonly discussed pesticides. That’s definitely one that we see frequently in the underground market,” says Ronay.

 

[Baditude]

Nah I was an infant. But paraquat sounds like a fruit I might wanna try.

Wrong word. You're thinking of kumquats.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Well, you can take from that article that the government intentually sprayed a known toxic substance on pot plants to enforce prohibition.

To this day, "someone" is spraying myclobutanil — a fungicide on pot. When myclobutanil is heated, it releases toxic fumes, one of which is hydrogen cyanide.

"“That’s one of the most commonly discussed pesticides. That’s definitely one that we see frequently in the underground market,” says Ronay.

I understand the effects of Myclobutanil. But is that the problem the US is facing or is it due to the product being cut with Vit E? Myclobutanil has been around since the early 90’s – it has been used on cannabis crop for some time due to its effectiveness. So why does Canada not have the same problem? We got a lot of pot growers here, both legal and illegal. How about other parts of the world?

The US has a concentrated case of illnesses due to its trend of cutting product with Vit E. Other regions are not following this trend, at least not at the same scale.

 

[Baditude]

Well what do we have here? What was I just talking about above?

Tests show bootleg marijuana vapes tainted with hydrogen cyanide

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Well what do we have here? What was I just talking about above?

Tests show bootleg marijuana vapes tainted with hydrogen cyanide

We discredit the media for everything else until it tells us something we feel is of value. So is the problem due to Pulmonary Lung Disease from vaping an oil product or Cyanide poisoning? Are the 2 related?

You have 800+ confirmed illness that are spread across the states. That would take a massive distribution of product with high risk. I can ensure you that they all did not come from the same crop. So, are all growers of cannabis using Myclobutanil, which is illegal in some regions and probably impossible to obtain (not to mention traceable if it were obtainable), or is your black market following a trend of cutting a vape product with vitamin E?

Canada growers have used Myclobutanil, even after it was banned. 15% of the Canadian population smokes pot – this has not changed much over the years, even after it was legalized. Plus Canada has been a large export for other regions – the Dutch love our BC Bud. Canada or any other region has never experienced an outbreak of illnesses like the US is currently experiencing.

No doubt traces of cyanide are being found in your cannabis product. But if Myclobutanil is not new, and has been in use for some time, then how does that explain the sudden outbreak with no reports prior?

 

[AttyPops]

So is the problem due to Pulmonary Lung Disease from vaping an oil product or Cyanide poisoning? Are the 2 related?

Multi-faceted, apparently.

So far it could be A, B, A&B, or maybe other things too....C, D, E,.....
There's no one problem. Some have had lipoid pneumonia some have had other respiratory problems. As I understand it.

But I still am suspicious about liking any of them to nic vaping, unless nic-makers (bootleg or legit) used Vit-E-a.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Multi-faceted, apparently.

So far it could be A, B, A&B, or maybe other things too....C, D, E,.....
There's no one problem. Some have had lipoid pneumonia some have had other respiratory problems. As I understand it.

But I still am suspicious about liking any of them to nic vaping, unless nic-makers (bootleg or legit) used Vit-E-a.

You are absolutely correct. But we have one lethal product (Myclobutanil) that has been in use for decades with little to no reports. Another lethal product (vitamin E acetate) that was introduced late last year. What is the probability of 800+ illness all happening at the same time, and across the country from decades of exposure to Myclobutanil?

And fully agree on linking the illnesses to vaping nicotine ejuice.

 

[AttyPops]

You mean falsely linking?

But yeah. Looks like the CDC is getting more clarification/direct in their edicts:
CDC urges people to avoid vaping THC amid lung disease outbreak

 

[Punk In Drublic]

You mean falsely linking?

Yes!!! My bad

 

[iVapeDIY]

Health officials released the names of several products identified by patients who have been sickened in Illinois and Wisconsin.

Dank Vapes, TKO and Other THC Vaping Brands Linked to Illnesses, C.D.C. Says

 

[vapdivrr]

Wrong word. You're thinking of kumquats.

Yep a pair of kumquats, pairaquate...In high school I messed with weed and every time we got some crappy tasting stuff, we always said, "this must be that paraquot weed". It wasnt like today's stuff, back then, most of the time it was brown with seeds, only a few times a year the really good stuff came around, Gainesville green was one and the other was Acapulco gold. . .

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