...and you were worried about what might be in your vapor...

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I am not wearing my chemistry hat at the moment, but I remember that it is not fresh meats that are the problem. It is the presevatives in processed meats being harmful. Some thing about nitrates becomeing nitrites when overheated as in, dont eat a burnt hotdog. Correct me if I am wrong.

Wife posted something to that nature last week.. Junk Science...
 

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Take it all with a grain of salt....oh wait, that's bad for you too. LOL Use common sense and moderation.

I quit worrying about it in the 70's when they were warning about Mother's breast milk causing cancer and advising mothers not to breastfeed their children. Geez

My mother breast fed me when I was a child/baby and I came out fine!

Of course that also could have something to do with my fascination with ........ ummm


Moving right along!!!
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I am not wearing my chemistry hat at the moment, but I remember that it is not fresh meats that are the problem. It is the presevatives in processed meats being harmful. Some thing about nitrates becomeing nitrites when overheated as in, dont eat a burnt hotdog. Correct me if I am wrong.

The article I linked is talking specifically about steaks, not processed meats like bologna or hotdogs.
 

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According to this article: "Two recent reports from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and Consumer Reports found worrisome levels of the carcinogen arsenic in rice and rice-based processed foods."

WHAT?!! Worrisome levels? And the FDA hasn't banned rice yet??? :?:

Exactly. Which is why I cannot fathom the FDA even worrying about vaping. Vaping affects a VERY small minority of people compared to our Food supply which affects 100% of the population. If our food supply is as toxic as many scientists and studies are claiming, then shouldn't they be focused on cleaning that up first? If our food supply is fine and the scientists are just "fear mongering" then how can we trust their science to tell us the truth about how safe vaping REALLY is or isn't. I am feeling like these "scientists" and the FDA are a lot like the boy that cried wolf....only they have done is hundreds of times, instead of just 3.
 

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Sigh, I almost hesitate to bring this up.

I like science, I trust science.
But I don't trust scientists when their research is tied to a political ambition (PA) and funded by that same PA. What is produced from that research can be easily tainted by that PA. When that happens it isn't science.

I have always like science (and math) too. They can lead you to the truth if you seek it. Unfortunately science can also lead you to where you want to go even if it is not the truth if you don't approach it objectively.

I REALLY hate to being this up but...
This is why I have such a problem with the whole man made global warming bit. Back in the 70's scientists warned we were heading toward the next Ice Age and that vehicle emission were to blame. As a result all motor vehicles had to be equipped with catalytic convertors to convert the emissions into....CO2. Now they are claiming that the CO2 from vehicles are causing Global Warming. If simply adding catalytic convertors REALLY turned us around from the next Ice Age and are pushing us into Global Warming then why has no one suggested removing them from vehicles until we balance things out again? The answer can only be that this is ALL junk science.
 

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Sigh, I almost hesitate to bring this up.

I like science, I trust science.
But I don't trust scientists when their research is tied to a political ambition (PA) and funded by that same PA. What is produced from that research can be easily tainted by that PA. When that happens it isn't science.

I don't know of a professional organization that doesn't have a code of ethics. (Did you know the FDA does? Yes, really! It has an ethics committee. Not sure what they're doing these days, but oh well... back to topic). Any respectable code of ethics addresses conflicts of interest, professional conduct, and adherence to the organization's standards. In the case of a scientific organization, this should address open admission of who funded a study, any financial interests participating researchers have in any business that has either done the funding or who may be affected by the outcome of the study. It is also considered a breach of professional ethics to misrepresent the results of a study or to intentionally skew the study (by design or analysis) so that a particular outcome is favored.

To say that some of these studies should never have seen the light of day is a gross understatement. I despair...
 

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I don't know of a professional organization that doesn't have a code of ethics. (Did you know the FDA does? Yes, really! It has an ethics committee. Not sure what they're doing these days, but oh well... back to topic). Any respectable code of ethics addresses conflicts of interest, professional conduct, and adherence to the organization's standards. In the case of a scientific organization, this should address open admission of who funded a study, any financial interests participating researchers have in any business that has either done the funding or who may be affected by the outcome of the study. It is also considered a breach of professional ethics to misrepresent the results of a study or to intentionally skew the study (by design or analysis) so that a particular outcome is favored.

To say that some of these studies should never have seen the light of day is a gross understatement. I despair...

While all of this is technically true, too many times I have seen ethics "purchased" when the price is right and the stakes high enough. I am not saying the FDA has been paid by BT to skew results of findings on eCigs...but with billions of dollars at stake I do not doubt that they might at least try to find a way to skew the results in their favor.
 

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Read about all the chemicals and toxins that the FDA seems to be OK with in cigarettes. The FDA does not care about our health. This is about control and taxation. Nothing else. They are only interested in test results that justify getting their grimmy fingers in our business and in our pockets.
 

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I use only a few ingredients in my juice. I really don't think it can be any worse than what cigs have in them. I will take my chances. If you have been around more than 50 years you will have heard that coffee will kill you, chocolate will kill you, sex will kill you. Obviously all those things are still going on. Once people start making their own juice and realize how easy it is they will stop this crap about making it in a dirty bathtub.
 

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I've traveled around the world and eaten food from who knows what source. I've eaten grilled meat, undercooked meat, potatoes, vegetables that probably were awash with pesticide residues. I drink coffee. I eat sugary stuff. But everything in moderation.

I smoked for more than 50 years, vaping for seven months.

Haven't needed to see a doctor in 20 years.

Ain't dead yet...
 
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