Another newb with hardware questions

[Michael Curry]

The reason I am hesitant is that anyone with decent writing skills can talk somewhat like an adult on the net. Even 5 year olds have smart phones. How do I know if anyone is who they say they are? All I have is an avatar and what the person chooses to enter in the bio, if anything, when someone FIRST arrives here. A 12 year old with a connection and email account can visit ECF. Signing up for me was very easy and I could be 14

This is a very good point. You mention avatars. Well, my avatar is an avatar in a virtual world. Many there are not who they say they are. Even age-verification or voice communication aren't any guarantee of anything from age to gender and all points in between.

But should we try to decide here? I don't think the OP's age was ever at issue anyway. But even if it was... Is that something we really want to be playing with and calling attention to? After all - many love to order supplies etc from online vendors. Online vendors who can't really and truly verify anything.... See what I mean? Thin ice...

 

[JustaGuy]

MC, we each do what we are morally comfortable with. Not everyone will agree on a position no matter how much debate. No, I don't trust all suppliers either, but that's just me. I have already welcomed the adult NLites.

Yes, age is an issue. It appears that ECF took a stand on this. See "Who can use an e-cigarette?" on ECF home page, which you and I may or may not agree with it.

 

[Michael Curry]

Right - All I am saying is that determining someone's actual age isn't something we have the means to do...

Of course ECF "took a stand" on it - since it's illegal to sell or give e-cigs to minors pretty much everywhere on the planet, it was the only thing they could do. It's a bit of CYA.

When it comes to the rest tho - assuming of course that the person is indeed a legal adult, I really don't see where anyone has the right to tell another what they may or may not do. But it seems popular. I don't know - maybe high post counts and quasi-impressive titles blur the the facts out for some. After all, no matter what shows to the left of the text, with very few exceptions, we are all just recovering addicts - none any better or worse than the rest. Obviously in questions of hard facts, the more experienced among us will have seen and learned more. But when it comes to judgement... Well, we all smoke or used to. Doesn't say much for our judgement, does it?

 

[swedishfish]

just leave off the never smoked part Nlite...kinda a sensitive topic around here and you should be fine.

Here's an idea- put it in the fricken thread title so those of us that want to can pass over it-

You know what, I'll spend all day helping someone find their kit, order their juice, find the right cartos. It was help that was given to me and more than happy to return the favor. I have a mother in the other room with COPD and I listen to her try to breath every night. This stuff is no joke to me.

Sorry, I don't have the time, inclination or desire to help someone 'play' at vaping. I don't consider this a joke. I am sure there are others that are happy to oblige and that's great. Just once I'd like to see someone post 'non-smoker looking for advice about vaping' in the title and believe me, we wouldn't be having this convo because I wouldn't be in this thread. But no, these threads are alway from someone with more than a little knowledge about PV's, really familiar with brand names.

Frankly I find them a little suspect. Whatev. Have at it.

 

[NLites]

Here's an idea- put it in the fricken thread title so those of us that want to can pass over it-

You know what, I'll spend all day helping someone find their kit, order their juice, find the right cartos. It was help that was given to me and more than happy to return the favor. I have a mother in the other room with COPD and I listen to her try to breath every night. This stuff is no joke to me.

Sorry, I don't have the time, inclination or desire to help someone 'play' at vaping. I don't consider this a joke. I am sure there are others that are happy to oblige and that's great. Just once I'd like to see someone post 'non-smoker looking for advice about vaping' in the title and believe me, we wouldn't be having this convo because I wouldn't be in this thread. But no, these threads are alway from someone with more than a little knowledge about PV's, really familiar with brand names.

Frankly I find them a little suspect. Whatev. Have at it.

Well....it isn't in the "frickin" thread title, but my background IS on page one, and yet here you are, still reading and commenting on this thread 5 pages in, so you must not have wanted to pass over it too badly. If you are so adamantly against reading threads from non-smokers then WHY ARE YOU READING THIS ONE??

And again, on the research - I seriously do not understand your stance on this at ALL...what exactly is your problem with my knowing a little about brand names? Given the amount of information out there on pv's (in ecig form and the numerous other non-cig styles that are much bigger) I didn't think I even was well informed, which is why I stopped in here. All I did was get on youtube and Google for a couple days. You would think I posted a treatise on the subject or something.

You also seem to be saying that somehow, because I want to vape but don't have any health issues, that I think other people's health issues are a joke. Just FYI, my grandfather smoked heavily all his life, suffered a stroke as a result and spent many years in a state of dementia before he died. My grandmother eventually quit smoking afterward and lasted a few years longer, but she ended up going down the same road at the end of her life. My interest in vaping has nothing to do with mocking people who use pv's to break a habit or improve their health. Do you really think you're the only one who has had to deal with the consequences of family members smoking that garbage that's in analogs?

If you didn't want to read or participate in a thread started by a non-smoker I don't know why you are still reading this one. You don't want to offer advice and you don't like my posting here, I GET IT already. Unless the mods kick me off the forum I'm staying, so if you find my presence here so offensive you might want to take your own advice and not participate in any threads I post.

 

[mlinky]

I don't think you understand why swedishfish is upset. She has a mother who is dealing with serious smoking related illness. The e-cig has potentially saved both of their lives. She takes this seriously and has spent untold hours being extraordinarily helpful to New Members who can similarly benefit from e-cigs.

OTOH, the people who want to ban e-cigs wave around the specter of e-cigs being a "gateway" to nicotine addiction. Your post gives credence to those fears. On top of that, there are trolls who deliberately start posts like that hoping to later have "proof" of those fears being realized.

Her reaction is because you appear to be either a troll or a dilettante. Either one could potentially interfere in the availability of something that saves lives.

 

[Michael Curry]

Her reaction is because you appear to be either a troll or a dilettante. Either one could potentially interfere in the availability of something that saves lives.

... and a post like that - well, you sort of appear to be an alt. Never know.

 

[Outre]

Hi everyone. I am hoping I can find some advice on reliable pv brands for my first purchase.

I have never smoked analog cigarettes, so I don't have a nicotine addiction to deal with. I did like the taste of the vapor off a Smoov pv a friend of mine let me try, so I am looking for a pv set of my own for light use (or what i think is "light" compared to how much other vapers seem to use theirs). One question is which brands are most reliable. There are so many mixed reviews for so many brands it is hard to see any one brand that stands out above all the others.

After reading the posts here, a lot of people obviously like the eGo, but I don't have enough cash at the moment to get something portable AND a big battery mod, so for now, I want something small and easy to carry. Since I don't have any nicotine cravings to deal with, I can't see myself being a heavy vaper, so I think the smaller batteries will be fine for work. Plus, every eGo starter kit I have seen comes with carts that contain nicotine, which I don't want.

I also plan on getting a bigger battery for home use that lasts much longer, but I think the silver bullet would be my choice for that when I do get one.

For the small pv's I have been thinking of getting the standard length vapor king manuals. The starter kits come with a lot of gear, but most of the reviews I have found for V4L are from 2009 and some from 2010. Has the quality slipped or is it still a good brand? I have also been looking at the Volt starter kits over at Smokeless Image. Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks!

Well, I tried to read all the responses, but forum drift took over and bleh...

As far as a PV, I can't recommend one to you since I'm one of the ones who switched from analogs and wanted a bigger battery than the slim models.

However, there are a lot of people who are former analog users who prefer the slimmer, lighter models and there are plenty of reviews here on the forums for those.

You got some good advice regarding e-liquid. If you want natural or organic VG check out Vaperite and Virgin Vapor. There are others, but I use these two exclusively right now and can vouch for flavor. Both offer flavor sample packs in small bottles.

Virgin Vapor will kick the flavor up a notch, and even work with you on a flavor blend. Vaperite gives you a free flavor sample with every regular bottle sale so you can continue to sample away while vaping.

As far as your reasons for vaping, well, as long as you're an adult you can do anything with your money and time that you want. You didn't come in here looking for a "buzz" or to be "cool" you honestly like the idea of the flavor you can get from vaping. I have no argument with that and more than I would argue with someone liking lemon flavored vodka

Be well, stay happy, and stick around long enough to realize that we're really a bunch of nice people who may have formerly run into some folks with suspect intentions for coming to ECF in the first place.

 

[mlinky]

... and a post like that - well, you sort of appear to be an alt. Never know.

Nope, not an alt; just a person encouraging empathy.

 

[NLites]

I don't think you understand why swedishfish is upset. She has a mother who is dealing with serious smoking related illness. The e-cig has potentially saved both of their lives. She takes this seriously and has spent untold hours being extraordinarily helpful to New Members who can similarly benefit from e-cigs.

OTOH, the people who want to ban e-cigs wave around the specter of e-cigs being a "gateway" to nicotine addiction. Your post gives credence to those fears. On top of that, there are trolls who deliberately start posts like that hoping to later have "proof" of those fears being realized.

Her reaction is because you appear to be either a troll or a dilettante. Either one could potentially interfere in the availability of something that saves lives.

*sigh*....Really? I don't get why she's upset? I understand she has a sick family member (did you not read that I have 2 DEAD family members???) She could have just explained that instead of immediately copping an attitude. I get the paranoia, but if you are paranoid don't post. She's posted 3 times and still maintains she wouldn't be posting if she knew I was a nonsmoker (which she knew from page 1, but still posted 2 more times).

I could have gone to one of the "herb" boards posting a message about wanting to start vaping and gotten less crap than this. Ecigs are some of the smallest vapes and that's what I want. That's what I'm getting. Believe me or don't, I 'm done trying to defend myself.

 

[NLites]

Well, I tried to read all the responses, but forum drift took over and bleh...

As far as a PV, I can't recommend one to you since I'm one of the ones who switched from analogs and wanted a bigger battery than the slim models.

However, there are a lot of people who are former analog users who prefer the slimmer, lighter models and there are plenty of reviews here on the forums for those.

You got some good advice regarding e-liquid. If you want natural or organic VG check out Vaperite and Virgin Vapor. There are others, but I use these two exclusively right now and can vouch for flavor. Both offer flavor sample packs in small bottles.

Virgin Vapor will kick the flavor up a notch, and even work with you on a flavor blend. Vaperite gives you a free flavor sample with every regular bottle sale so you can continue to sample away while vaping.

As far as your reasons for vaping, well, as long as you're an adult you can do anything with your money and time that you want. You didn't come in here looking for a "buzz" or to be "cool" you honestly like the idea of the flavor you can get from vaping. I have no argument with that and more than I would argue with someone liking lemon flavored vodka

Be well, stay happy, and stick around long enough to realize that we're really a bunch of nice people who may have formerly run into some folks with suspect intentions for coming to ECF in the first place.

I get the suspect intentions and needing to watch your back, especially when hating smokers is so socially accepted - it is just so FRUSTRATING to constantly be accused of trying to do something I am not trying to do. I don't care if people vape themselves into oblivion (or drink or smoke or toke or eat or anything else for that matter). Unfortunately, I don't know how to put the suspicions to rest. Anyway, thanks for the flavor sites. I'll add them to my growing list of flavor vendors.