Anybody Using A Kabuki?

[Knifemaker]

I didn't miss the boat or anything else. Maybe you should follow the conversation backwards & you'll see why DP said what he said....I eventually did.
Whether you choose to or not is up to you.

#DEUCES

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You admitted your self that you didn't go back and read it. Now you did? Humm? Come on Lex!

At any rate, sorry you feel that way.

First devices I ever bought, were Joy Tech. Remember them? Didn't give a hoot in hades whether they worked right or not.

First mod was Pro Smoker. Remember them? Again, the first units they produced were plagued with issues. They couldn't care less. And literally refused to deal with their customers.

Or all these coil manufacturers/ dealers. Many who have NO DOA warranty. None. And even if they did, that is all it is. Which would be fine if you only ordered ONE coil and tried it day one when you got it. But you only have three days to find out if the coil is bad. Now I ask you, do you get in three or four boxes of coils, load liquid into them all and try them out to see if there are any duds? I'll bet not. Not that you could have them loaded for a month without ruining them in the first place.

The Mini MX whose paint starts chipping off the first week of use. The company fixed it by going to a cheaper, and thinner paint. Making the situation much worse. Grrrrrr!

These are just a few examples of Bad Don't give a darned about the customer. All in the vape world, which I never brought up in the first place! YMMV, or not.



Knife

 

[Knifemaker]

I have 6 Kabuki 510's....some have the old o-rings, some have new. Some have original tubes, some have Bedazzles. Have taken them apart many times & (knocks on wood) haven't broken any yet, nor had a problem reassembling.

While I am definetly no expert, I think the variance in the glass tubes may be the issue on the extra tight fit of some?

Please excuse the no Provari's in this pic, but here are mine:

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

Love the ZNA's! Most beautiful Device I ever saw, was a two tone Dark Bronze/Light Bronze.

 

[Knifemaker]

I started the post to let HOH fans know what ZEN has been up to , and to be proud for them and their accomplishment. I never expected this! A huge disappointment for me. Truly sad at the misdirection and pettiness.

 

[ScandaLeX]

You admitted your self that you didn't go back and read it. Now you did? Humm? Come on Lex!

At any rate, sorry you feel that way.

First devices I ever bought, were Joy Tech. Remember them? Didn't give a hoot in hades whether they worked right or not.

First mod was Pro Smoker. Remember them? Again, the first units they produced were plagued with issues. They couldn't care less. And literally refused to deal with their customers.

Or all these coil manufacturers/ dealers. Many who have NO DOA warranty. None. And even if they did, that is all it is. Which would be fine if you only ordered ONE coil and tried it day one when you got it. But you only have three days to find out if the coil is bad. Now I ask you, do you get in three or four boxes of coils, load liquid into them all and try them out to see if there are any duds? I'll bet not. Not that you could have them loaded for a month without ruining them in the first place.

The Mini MX whose paint starts chipping off the first week of use. The company fixed it by going to a cheaper, and thinner paint. Making the situation much worse. Grrrrrr!

These are just a few examples of Bad Don't give a darned about the customer. All in the vape world, which I never brought up in the first place! YMMV, or not.



Knife

Man please! My memory is pretty good. You can deflect all you want..have at it!

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[Katdarling]

Anybody got the time?



Helloooooooooo, Zen. Good to see you back here, and thank you for the most informative post. I've missed ya in these parts, as I suspect we all have.

Stop it. Relaaaaaaax.
You're worrying yourself over nada.

Yes it's 0.7ml but it's like 50-something nicotine. Which means you won't blow through that juice in one puff.
Plus, the airflow on the JUUL is similar to a cig-alike...which means you can't take 3-6 second lung hits on it.

Which means... It's of no use to most Vapers...

HB et al. I did have the opportunity to test out the Juul over the weekend. It's quite the little device, for sure. The 4 liquid pods come in some basic, somewhat muted, but tasty flavors, and the device itself is TINY. But it definitely packs a punch.

50mg liquid on board....... Not many were able to take a hit without coughing their whatevers out. Altho, some did take long hits on it (some MTL and some DL). It produced a goodly amount of vapor for a "cigalike", and was as easy peazy as it gets (totally automatic).

It is definitely designed as a device one would use for a few puffs (one or two) then set it aside. So I do wonder if it really would please the smoker turning vaper. Most smokers, I believe, do not smoke in the minor increments that would be necessary with this device.

I did not care for the hit on it at all. In fact, a puff or two caused me to feel quite dizzy and lightheaded (yes, more than ususal ). I vape high milligram strength in today's vape world (15ish), but 50 nearly tore my head off.

All in all, I was quite pleased to have the opportunity to try it out. I think this would be a KA device to use with one's own liquid (and yes, you can hack the pod to refill it). LOVE the little tiny stand up USB charger!

Other than that, please know I'm stopping, relaaaaaaaaaaaxed, and far from worried.

 

[ScandaLeX]

I can only imagine trying to vape 50mg juice. I'd probably get violently sick then pass out.
Do you know whether or not if the pod hacking is easy?

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[jwbnyc]

Sounds like a good stealth mod, for the experienced vaper; take a hit, get some nic, put it away. Will check it out at some point.

 

[Katdarling]

I can only imagine trying to vape 50mg juice. I'd probably get violently sick then pass out.
Do you know whether or not if the pod hacking is easy?

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Here ya go, Lexi.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Here ya go, Lexi.

Thank you Baby!!!


Watched.... Refilling... Now that was too easy.

How long did the Juul last before needing to recharge?




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[coldgin96]

Wow, I go away for three months and see what happens... lol... took me nearly all day to get to the point where I could type some responses... sooooo..... here we go....

First... sorry for not being around much, there are MANY things going on at HoH and I have a TON of irons in the fire. As I told our Knife maker friend from Texas on the phone... If I'm on the forums... I'm usually avoiding work... I haven't been able to do that much, lately.



That's scheduled to happen, Duane.. probably in May.



So... here's something funny... the first P3 Kabukis and all the early 510s had the coil seated higher... the Chinese cloned the first version, so it sits a bit high, which does effect the performance!



Shops tell me all the time... "If people ask for things, we get them in... if nobody asks for a Kabuki, we're not buying them"... Folks... Your local dealer is YOUR local dealer... They work for you... tell them what you want them to carry!





So let's have at the explanation... shall we? During an interaction I was having with knifemaker, I mentioned that I had been "emulating" hand engraving using CNC machines, but I really wanted to learn how to hand engrave... a skill that takes YEARS to even be BAD at... Long story short... it seems that HE had some experience in this area, and had tools he was no longer using, seeing as he has retired from the craft... he sent them to me... I was blown away... yeah, we're doing some trades etc... but man... amazing stuff... so I've been spending a fair amount of time gouging metal into uselessness as I learn this incredibly wonderful (and difficult) skill... it's slow going, but I'm loving the process.



Yeah, Knifemaker has been doing a great job of reporting back details of a couple conversations I have had with him... he catches me on breaks.



People should ALWAYS contact us if there is an issue... we'll make it right, and we'll make it right FAST.



This is truth... Darker juices clog coils faster than clear ones.



Distilled water is best, especially if you have a lot of minerals in your tap water.



As I said, I have a customer service line... feel free to call... it's no bother. It won't always be me on the phone, but occasionally, it is.



Not in my experience.



If people are having wicking issues, tighten the draw a "little" and see if that helps.



ProVape Juice is AMAZING... people should really try it if they haven't.



Yep... as above!



OK, Chiming in here you purchased 3 ProVari 2.5's that were for sale at about 75% off retail... a year ago you could buy nearly 2 Kabukis for the price of ONE ProVari 2.5...



Not just your opinion... It's my opinion too! There are MANY companies in Vaping with GREAT customer service. Granted, there are far more with horrible service, sad to say. HoH and ProVape are VERY proud of our customer service teams, and we both work hard to make sure our folks get it right, but that in no way diminishes the other great companies out there.



Current Movement is made by ETA.





American Time Company is the company that makes watches for the Unions, and they are located in Rochester NY... I have a meeting with them next week. I assure you, they do not make watch movements in the USA. They assemble imported components and they print Union Logos on the watch faces. For $150 bucks, you get an imported watch movement.



The first step in creating an in-house movement is to first learn watch making, and the easiest way is to import all the parts and assemble them here. A short time ago Shinola was importing completed movements and casing them here... they have since transitioned to the next step... importing all the parts and assembling the movements here, then casing them... it's a HUGE step, and I'm thrilled they have made it this far. It's a FAR cry from making those parts here... and in a while, they will get their, it's their plan, and I hope they make it.

My watch is going to follow the same trajectory, starting with ETA movements that are a bit better than the Shinola Movement, I will next move on to making parts, then to a full in-house movement. The goal is to get there by the end of 2017, if everything goes according to plans,



Yes, as of last week we have started using them in ALL Kabukis in production. As Knifemaker mentioned, I spent the better part of a year getting O-rings made to my specifications... not that it means all that much, but, these are as far as I am aware, the first O-Rings ever made specifically for Vaping, using all FDA grade Silicone.



When you go from 24 to 18, you drop your nicotine level by 25%... from 18 to 12, it's 33% on top of that... From 12 to 6... that's a 50% drop... For me... 50% is a pretty big step to take in a single jump!



Good solution!



OMG SIlicone is effectively a replacement for the original Buna Selection... we still have Buna on the site because we still have them in stock, AND they work great on our older legacy products.



The Silicone are 45 Durometer, Buna is 70... Silicone is the better choice, which is why we had them made.



The original O-Rings were not the "wrong size"... they were a standard size. We now have a custom size that works better. Tanks made starting last week will have the new Black Silicone OMG rings installed in the assembly process.



I do apologize that you had trouble with it. When washing a tank with Buna Rings you MUST during reassemble put some slippery eLiquid on those rings and TWIST the tank into place... jacking it in WILL break it... but this won't happen again with the new O-Rings. Please come see me at the Vape Meet in Toronto next month and I'll make things right for you, and you can ALWAYS call the shop if you're having an issue in the mean time.



These are really helpful hints.



The short version of a VERY long story is that when the Kabuki was first designed, the original marketing plan was to have the P3 Kabuki launch at ProVape, The Z2 Kabuki to launch at my current list of dealers and the 510 Kabuki was going to be rolled out an a HUGE marketing campaign by a large company that was doing a collection of Vape Products from various manufacturers as a consolidated product line... For the 510, I defined the size of the O-Ring as being the same one I always used. However, the company that was creating the "line" of products had charts and graphs that said there would be fewer fit issues if we changed that one ring, but made it more snug in the fit... They wanted to be SURE the tank didn't slip off the top O-Ring when refilling... I disagreed saying that people are smarter than that... they insisted and they were the guys writing the check. I produced the first 5,000 of the tanks with the size O-Ring they specified... then they cancelled the entire project. There was nothing I could do to change it at that point, because I was already NOT going to get paid for the 5,000 tanks that already existed. And they worked fine... a bit snug, for sure, but functional. For what it's worth, this nearly put HoH out of business, we were counting on that check!

SO... what doesn't kill us makes us stronger, right? (Unless of course it weakens us until we can no longer fight, that is)... We launched the Kabuki. It has been a pretty big success for us, and the product keeps on getting stronger and stronger in the market. Along the way I HAVE relaxed the fit in the O-Ring Channel, and changed a few other minor specifications, as well as worked with glass suppliers for more consistent glass, AND an O-Ring manufacturer for custom spec O-Rings... the tank today is better than ever!

SO that is the tale of the dual sized O-Ring.



It's true there have been some issues, I only hope we have handled the problem to your satisfaction, and IF WE HAVE NOT... I need to know about it!



I have checked, and I'm well aware of Roland and RGM... I wish I could afford one! That being said... the in-house movement for the Pennsylvania Tourbillon is 95% Made in the USA, and sells for $95,000... and it is spectacular! I stand by my statement that there are NO watches with USA Made in-house movements, and certainly none even close to operating at scale... but THAT will change! And I won't be the only one doing it. GREAT things are happening in this country in MANY industries and we're going to bring manufacturing of ALL SORTS of things back to the USA... we used to be the best at nearly everything, but WE have let that slide!



Got it... you're angry... I'd love to have the chance to make it right! Call the shop!



Grand Seiko IS a fine watch!



Me too!



It has been discussed, and it's not of any interest to me. My goal is to make vaping easier, which means drop-in coils. The eBay rebuildable is horrible.

OK Folks... nice catching up...!

Thanks for coming in here and clearing some things up!

 

[DPLongo22]

Apologies to @Zen~ , @classwife , and all others who were/are disturbed (and my personal thanks to all who were supportive). I promise to circle back to the track before this typing is done.

@Knifemaker - the comment I replied to, whether you realize it or not, basically said (implied, actually) that we were too stupid to know as much as you knew, and that if we did (know as much as you), then we'd agree with you.

If you doubt that, please go back and read exactly what you wrote, removing all personal filters.

My point was that we don't know who we're talking to here, and for all you knew, one of us was Mario Draghi. To make the implication you did was downright insulting. Was I snarky? Yes, I was. And while I won't apologize, I will admit that it was not the most productive way that I could have replied.

I was going to say that I'd bet even ProVape and Zen would concur that there are other fantastic companies out there, since they're likely clients of some themselves, but then Zen made the point for me - himself.

Love them. Espouse their greatness, and even make the statement that there's nobody better. But I'd beg you to maintain some perspective in the process, and certainly don't insult others who marginally disagree with your assessment. And again, maybe you don't realize it, but that's exactly what you did.

Most of use are here because we feel similarly about both companies. Nobody needs to sell us on the fact that they're marvelous to work with, from a client's perspective. And for those who do need to be sold, let them first ask to be sold, then provide them with as much information as we can, allowing them to then make their own judgments. And when a judgment differs from our own, we should respect that judgment.

In fact, I very much respect yours. And I would have kept my mouth shut if not for the, "If you..." statement.

We're all here just passing some time, and getting information about something that we share enjoyment for, which is often the only common thread running between us (all). We differ in backgrounds, in life-experiences, and in enough things that it's reasonable to expect some differences of opinions. There's nothing wrong with respectful disagreement, but the "respectful" part remains essential.

And in that spirit, I will attempt to re-channel my previous emotions into something more productive. Congratulations on your beta-testing testing, with whatever it is you're testing. When you and it are ready, I'll look forward to hearing more about it.

DP~
"...on a Tuesday" (queue the music)

 

[DPLongo22]

My goal is to make vaping easier, which means drop-in coils.

And thank you, SIR. We, the avowed blister-packers of Planet Vape, appreciate your efforts more than you may realize.

 

[DPLongo22]

Anybody got the time?

Laughter IS the best medicine (thank you, Reader's Digest!).

 

[BreSha6869]

Shouldn't that be,

"So you talk normal, eh?"

That's aboot right.

 

[Enta]

Hi Zen! Thanks for the update.

I love looking at the watches. Unfortunately, being a woman with really small wrist means that's all I can do is look. All the really cool watches are made for you guys.

Speaking of which, any chance at all that you could make some pretty etched replacement tanks for the Kabukis that kept us girls in mind???

 

[Zen~]

Hi Zen! Thanks for the update.

I love looking at the watches. Unfortunately, being a woman with really small wrist means that's all I can do is look. All the really cool watches are made for you guys.

Speaking of which, any chance at all that you could make some pretty etched replacement tanks for the Kabukis that kept us girls in mind???

Thank you! A ladies watch IS on the horizon because poor little 5'0" Stacie would love one, so I'm designing it!

Regarding etched tanks, Bedazzled and Phiniac both make really nice etched offerings, and Phiniac uses glass that I provide to them. We put aside the slightly blemished tanks for Phiniac and "upcycle" them... this provides them with glass at below our cost, as it would end up in the recycle bin if they were not etching them. It's a true win-win.

 

[HBcorpse]

$25 at Target.

Who knew they'd cater to vapers?

I love this thing!
I'm gonna customize it a bit, to put little separators between my Provaris, cuz the "two per slot" situation isn't my favorite.
But other than that, it's great!
The slots are deep enough that the mods won't tip over'n'out, so that's a bonus!
And hiding all my build stuff in the drawer got me lots of points with my lady!

 

[Katdarling]

HB, that box is muey koolio! I love the look and the drawer is a sweet addition!

Thank you Baby!!!


Watched.... Refilling... Now that was too easy.

How long did the Juul last before needing to recharge?




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I have no klue. No one vaped it all that long. I do know that recharging takes about an hour.

Thank you! A ladies watch IS on the horizon because poor little 5'0" Stacie would love one, so I'm designing it!

Regarding etched tanks, Bedazzled and Phiniac both make really nice etched offerings, and Phiniac uses glass that I provide to them. We put aside the slightly blemished tanks for Phiniac and "upcycle" them... this provides them with glass at below our cost, as it would end up in the recycle bin if they were not etching them. It's a true win-win.

Phiniac, marvelous.

Bedazzle, also marvelous.

 

[Katdarling]

We're all here just passing some time, and getting information about something that we share enjoyment for, which is often the only common thread running between us (all). We differ in backgrounds, in life-experiences, and in enough things that it's reasonable to expect some differences of opinions. There's nothing wrong with respectful disagreement, but the "respectful" part remains essential.

"The only common thread running between us." Truer words, never. I believe that's a key factor and one we all tend to forget. Well said, DP of L.

As far as disrespectful disagreements are concerned, I hear there are special forums just for that...

 

[AstroTurf]

$25 at Target.

Who knew they'd cater to vapers?

I love this thing!
I'm gonna customize it a bit, to put little separators between my Provaris, cuz the "two per slot" situation isn't my favorite.
But other than that, it's great!
The slots are deep enough that the mods won't tip over'n'out, so that's a bonus!
And hiding all my build stuff in the drawer got me lots of points with my lady!

Stickers... It needs STICKERS!!!