Anybody Using A Kabuki?

[JUMA55]

I would like to comment on all this and THANK ENAUD ON HIS PREVIOUS POSTS ON HOW TO FIX IT!

Not one, NOT ONE, of my old style BVC Nautilus coils make a connection using any of my P3 Kabuki's. I have to do what Enaud previously suggested.

Slightly pull contact pin and wrap thread around it so it doesn't slip back up inside of grommet.

That really ing sucks as I have seven 5 packs (35 coils) of old style BVC coils and one of the reasons I have bought 3 Kabuki's is because we were told in this forum both old style and new style coils would work. NOT SO!

I have been told Zen will make it right if I call but given I have 3 Kabuki's, what a PITA!

Don't get me wrong, I still love my Kabuki's but am slightly disappointed by these recent developments. It is what is and I will deal it by buying every spool of thread at Family Dollar.

At least there is a way to deal with making my $90 (well, 2 are stealth so they are $100) tanks work with my $200 P3...

Get this, I still want to buy one more Kabuki but now will wait until problem is taken care of or I go through all coils first which will take quite a bit of time...

Thanks again, ENAUD!

Cold, I'm not having the problem with old coils but new ones that just arrived last week from Aspire. Sorry for the bad news.

 

[AstroTurf]

If anyone... Has an air gap when their Kabukis or P3 Aspire Tanks are screwed down...

The problem is in the cut threads on the Provi. (period) ProVape Error.

Not the tank. At least according to my observations with my 4 Provi Flat Top Caps.

IMO, Jim

 

[coldgin96]

Well, I just tried the thread solution and it worked. But this is not a long-term solution to the problem. Spending 30 minutes trying to wrap thread around a tiny coil is just not fun, nor should it be necessary at this price point. I hoping Zen can re-cut the bases.

You got that right, brother. I have confidence in Zen. I'm sure he wants our business and is a American, after all.

Poor guy, his chair is spinning out of control right now...

 

[AstroTurf]

I like it a lot. It looks goofy as Hell but works great!

Thanks, I'll pick one up for my Zenesis MFA Mod.

 

[coldgin96]

Cold, I'm not having the problem with old coils but new ones that just arrived last week from Aspire. Sorry for the bad news.

Well, that news sucks even worse! I'm getting a headache. I gotta go shower the scum off me and kick some major .... on the Xbox One to release the inner pressure...

 

[coldgin96]

Thanks, I'll pick one up for my Zenesis MFA Mod.

 

[gin828]

510, Z2, and P3 threads, here is my thoughts on it .... Z2 is rock solid and works well but it's drawback is only House of Hybrids uses it. Zen made it open spec. but nobody uses it. The only person to make anything Z2 was Steam Monkey and he discontinued making anything Z2. Provape comes out with P3 thread but Provape does not make atomizers which does not make sense to me. It would have made more sense to use Z2. I am not bashing Provape.....I just don't understand why they came out with P3 thread if they were not going to make atties for it.

 

[coldgin96]

Hey, before I sign off I just want to make it perfectly clear that I love the performance of the Kabuki and had confidence in Zen if a problem were to arise (which it has) or I would not have purchased 3 OF THEM! Hopefully, I can see my way to purchase one more...

 

[AstroTurf]

Hey, before I sign off I just want to make it perfectly clear that I love the performance of the Kabuki and had confidence in Zen if a problem were to arise (which it has) or I would not have purchased 3 OF THEM! Hopefully, I can see my way to purchase one more...

I likewise will purchase them as well...

Just waiting right now.

PS Thanks for the drip tip pic, it will be perfect!

 

[coldgin96]

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One more time...

Even though the coil is wrapped in thread, I am seriously enjoying this vape. J.C. Tennessee Cured 1.8% nic @ 9.2 watts I'm gonna die with this setup in my hand! See my above pic with Kabuki and cone drip tip!

 

[JUMA55]

Hey, before I sign off I just want to make it perfectly clear that I love the performance of the Kabuki and had confidence in Zen if a problem were to arise (which it has) or I would not have purchased 3 OF THEM! Hopefully, I can see my way to purchase one more...

Cold, we get this fixed, and I'm game for another one too.

 

[JUMA55]

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I bought a Delta 1 tank, I think it was, for my Evic Supreme that had a drip tip about like that, and my wife asked if it went in your mouth or up your... She thought it looked like an enema nozzle. Sorta killed it for me. Crummy tank, anyway.

 

[Katdarling]

510, Z2, and P3 threads, here is my thoughts on it .... Z2 is rock solid and works well but it's drawback is only House of Hybrids uses it. Zen made it open spec. but nobody uses it. The only person to make anything Z2 was Steam Monkey and he discontinued making anything Z2. Provape comes out with P3 thread but Provape does not make atomizers which does not make sense to me. It would have made more sense to use Z2. I am not bashing Provape.....I just don't understand why they came out with P3 thread if they were not going to make atties for it.

 

[coldgin96]

Cold, we get this fixed, and I'm game for another one too.

Excellent! Yeah, I haven't made it to the XBone yet. I stopped for a nebulizer treatment. Shower sure felt good.

I'm sure we'll get it taken care of. That's what we pay the big bucks for, right? Yeah, it sucks to have to go through the BS, but hey, with a Chinese manufacture over in Red Land, we'd be SOL.

 

[coldgin96]

If anyone... Has an air gap when their Kabukis or P3 Aspire Tanks are screwed down...

The problem is in the cut threads on the Provi. (period) ProVape Error.

Not the tank. At least according to my observations with my 4 Provi Flat Top Caps.

IMO, Jim

Thing is, I don't have a gap the Nautilus'...

 

[jwbnyc]

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Glad it puts out the flavor because it sure is not a looker.

 

[jwbnyc]

510, Z2, and P3 threads, here is my thoughts on it .... Z2 is rock solid and works well but it's drawback is only House of Hybrids uses it. Zen made it open spec. but nobody uses it. The only person to make anything Z2 was Steam Monkey and he discontinued making anything Z2. Provape comes out with P3 thread but Provape does not make atomizers which does not make sense to me. It would have made more sense to use Z2. I am not bashing Provape.....I just don't understand why they came out with P3 thread if they were not going to make atties for it.

I picked up a couple of those Steam Monkey RDAs to use with my HoH DXC-650. They are nice.

 

[HBcorpse]

If anyone... Has an air gap when their Kabukis or P3 Aspire Tanks are screwed down...

The problem is in the cut threads on the Provi. (period) ProVape Error.

Not the tank. At least according to my observations with my 4 Provi Flat Top Caps.

IMO, Jim

We've had this conversation before, so it doesn't need to be re-hashed too thoroughly...
That being said, it's a little asinine to blame the company that made the threading, rather than the mass produced Chinese company that made the tanks, and coils.

Provape and HoH are two, fairly small companies, who have a very human quality control.
Aspire is a "big box" company with assembly line quality control. They make their tanks and coils by the tens of thousands every DAY. Provape and HoH probably do tens of thousands every YEAR.

In the case of the P3 Nautilus tanks, Aspire made them. In the case of the Kabuki, the tank is designed around the coil, which was again, made by Aspire.
Now, some P3 Nauty tanks have had this gap issue, and some of the Kabuki tanks have had this connection issue...and the common denominator is ASPIRE products. Bottom line.
I'm sure, on most levels, this is a matter of OPINION...and mine is firmly fixed as stated here.
I just flat out refuse to believe that two high-end, high reputation companies like Provape and HoH could be the issue...Provape created the P3 threading...Aspire tried to conform to it. HoH created a tank to conform to Aspire's coil. With such a mass produced item as the core of the design, it's no wonder there are tolerance issues. It's not Zen's fault, mad-scientist-wizard that he is. And it's not Provape's fault, like-a-rock-Chevy-tough-American mod builders that they are. (And let's not start in on the Chevy/Ford/Mopar debate.)
That's all I have to say.
I'm seriously not trying to start this circular discussion again...just trying to weigh in on the topic at hand.

 

[coldgin96]

We've had this conversation before, so it doesn't need to be re-hashed too thoroughly...
That being said, it's a little asinine to blame the company that made the threading, rather than the mass produced Chinese company that made the tanks, and coils.

Provape and HoH are two, fairly small companies, who have a very human quality control.
Aspire is a "big box" company with assembly line quality control. They make their tanks and coils by the tens of thousands every DAY. Provape and HoH probably do tens of thousands every YEAR.

In the case of the P3 Nautilus tanks, Aspire made them. In the case of the Kabuki, the tank is designed around the coil, which was again, made by Aspire.
Now, some P3 Nauty tanks have had this gap issue, and some of the Kabuki tanks have had this connection issue...and the common denominator is ASPIRE products. Bottom line.
I'm sure, on most levels, this is a matter of OPINION...and mine is firmly fixed as stated here.
I just flat out refuse to believe that two high-end, high reputation companies like Provape and HoH could be the issue...Provape created the P3 threading...Aspire tried to conform to it. HoH created a tank to conform to Aspire's coil. With such a mass produced item as the core of the design, it's no wonder there are tolerance issues. It's not Zen's fault, mad-scientist-wizard that he is. And it's not Provape's fault, like-a-rock-Chevy-tough-American mod builders that they are. (And let's not start in on the Chevy/Ford/Mopar debate.)
That's all I have to say.
I'm seriously not trying to start this circular discussion again...just trying to weigh in on the topic at hand.

There you go, if all the coils were the same length and stayed that way, we wouldn't have this problem. That said, I paid $290 for three tanks that are supposed to work with said coils. In the end, PITA as it's going to be, I'm sure that's what I am going to get. It's exactly why I paid the said amount of money and bought MADE IN U.S.A. You see, I'm a bit of a loyalist. ProVape has always taken care of us, it's why we are sticking with them. Johnson Creek has always taken care of us. It's why I only get my juice from 2 vendors, ProVape and J.C. I'm sure I'll be able to say that about HOH and spend even more $ on their products in the future and stick with them too.

 

[Zen~]

Call the shop on Monday and we'll get a solution for you... so much effort, I feel bad that you went through it.

We have a lot of moving targets in these scenarios... I'll spell them out as honestly as I can.

1) Nautilus coils... great flavor... no... AMAZING flavor when used in a tank that can bring it out. But tolerances? Yikes... all over the map. I'm getting that dialed in and can make the coil seat deeper IF you have an issue. This is expensive for me to do because we do it on a manual lathe as needed.

2) The ProVape pin... WAY less than .5% of the kabuki sold have had connection issues because the ProVari center pin is set a hair lower than others. We have a test fixture that tests for the coil position to hit the spec of where the pin is supposed to be... a couple have been lower. Yeah, it's irritating when it happens, but the numbers are in the noise floor... still sucks though.

3) Optimism... I made some assumptions that didn't prove to be true... That I set the coil seat deep enough that the entire range of variables would be covered using a combination of the flex in the center pin of the pProVari, and two gaskets on the coil (one located on the coil seat, the other on the positive pin). As it turns out, when the right combination of tolerance errors occur, a lack of connection happens. This is easily corrected by lowering the coil seat, It's usually only an issue when you have a provari with a deep set center pin, AND a series of short coils.

4) The paper gap... As many people have noticed, on SOME P3s you'll have a gap, on others you will not. I currently own 11 PVs with P3 connectors on them... One of them ALWAYS has a Gap with the Kabuki... It ALSO has a gap with the Nautilus P3... the threads seem to "taper" on that device. I am not quick to say this is the fault of the connector on the PV, but multiple attys have the same results... I gotta blame the P3 for that one.

People that paid $90-$100 for an atomizer have a right to expect they will get a device that works better than a 35 dollar atomizer... it's as simple as that. But it goes deeper, you also have a reasonable expectation to get great service as well. Rather than killing a day testing every possible permutation of what fits with what... the only thing that really matters is... does this atty work on the PV you want to put it on? If the answer is no, it doesn't... please leave the driving to us... get in touch with my shop and lets get you up and running ASAP. Ya can't do that with a chinese atty... you PAID for American service... not just an American atty.

That being said, please, contact me, I will be out of the shop from 9/17-9/25 on travel, but lets get a solution in the works before I leave. When you call the shop feel free to ask for me, if I can't get to the phone Stacie can handle the issue as well. Once the ball is rolling, things move pretty quick!