Anyone actually TRIED a Vision TOX vv/ aka Howitzer/aka GS-SUB yet? Dying to hear!

[orachel]

Ok, so I'm all excited about this new kit that's out... the vision Tox vv. I've seen an awesome first look, and started pricing at the few vendors that carry it. But has ANYONE actually tried one of these, and can give me impressions? I'm especially curious how they stack up against LT. Looks like similar regulated vv function, but has the option to be sized 18500 or 18350 (batts and tubes come in starter kit) and optional addon 18650 tube will be out soon for $10. Plus, the display is much much clearer... nice bright white, plus has puff counter, time and date, simple batter guage, timer to tell you how long battery has been on, etc. Price for kit inclu sizes 18500 and 18350 (you only get the one unit controller, but comes with both sizes tubes so you can control mini or reg size) plus a few vision clearo tank things, plus charger and lanyard, all in box seems to run from about $90-$69. Anyone tried one, or gotten theirs yet? I'm dying for reviews, esp if you've also used LT. Thanks so much.

And no this isn't another lava tube rebrand... its a whole other animal. I know there's been some confusion over this, since they do look pretty similar, but display is different, changable size, plus firing button is on back.

 

[Frick]

A puff counter? Seems kind of strange. The display looks really nice, though -- I believe it's OLED?

Time (and voltage testing) will reveal if it's just a LT with a nicer display. It does look like they moved the button to a more thumb-friendly location, too.

 

[orachel]

Yup, it is oled. And yes on the button thing. I've not tried a Lava Tube, personally, but the button looked all kinds of oddly placed in the video reviews. Puff counter doesn't do much for me, but kinda curious. I've not no earthly clue how many puffs I take. lol What is of interest to me is ease of locking voltage, and it has a nice time and date display. i don't wear a watch, and my pv is usually much handier than my phone, so that'll be useful. Plus it tells you how long you've been on a battery, and I think has a little gauge similar to a cell phone to show you how much batt life is left. Plus can't beat the switching sizes thing. That'll be useful for me. I know a bunch of people have bought the lt in both reg and mini size. That would never have been an option for me pricewise, so I like the flexibility. And will definitely gank the 18650 tube as soon as its available.

 

[antfuzz]

The puff counter, I think it should be called toot counter, can be helpful if you want to know how many toots you get per battery charge. However, you will need to reset your time display because it will reset the toot counter every 24 hours. The clock function is based on a 24-hour clock.

 

[orachel]

Antifuzz, You've actually seen one of the Tox live? Can you tell us if it has plastic or metal end caps? That's one thing I haven't been able to figure out, in any of the descriptions. Guessing plastic, but gosh.. metal would be fabulous.

 

[brian5470]

I got mine today from Litecig. Its a pretty nice little mod. I laughed my A@@ off when I hit the button five clicks to turn it off and it scrolls "Goodbye My Master!" across the OLED screen. lol.. The control head is made out of plastic but I think its a better design than the lava tube top cap as my Lava Tube top cap kept popping off and then finally broke right down the middle, The tubes are aluminum and seem to have a better finish than the Lava Tube. The battery cap is like that of the Lava Tube, metal with a plastic outer shell. All in all very nice mod for the money. I would say better than the Lava Tube. I know the display is a lot nicer and over all build quality just seems at least as good if not better than the Lava but time will tell.

 

[orachel]

Sold!!! rofl Ok, I chuckled just reading it. First of all, glad to hear it seems constructed of better stuff... that was my general worry about the whole thing. I don't care how great it works if the shell falls apart, etc. But beyond that, I need a little toadying and groveling in my life. Getting it in a mod seems like the only way I'm gonna. My master... I like that.

 

[VictoryNotVengence]

I got mine today from Litecig. Its a pretty nice little mod. I laughed my A@@ off when I hit the button five clicks to turn it off and it scrolls "Goodbye My Master!" across the OLED screen. lol.. The control head is made out of plastic but I think its a better design than the lava tube top cap as my Lava Tube top cap kept popping off and then finally broke right down the middle, The tubes are aluminum and seem to have a better finish than the Lava Tube. The battery cap is like that of the Lava Tube, metal with a plastic outer shell. All in all very nice mod for the money. I would say better than the Lava Tube. I know the display is a lot nicer and over all build quality just seems at least as good if not better than the Lava but time will tell.

Yeah i got mine from litecig as well. I didn't know it did that because that feature isn't in the instruction book. The time and date resets to zero if you change batts so that makes no sense. and i think there is an option that tells you how many minutes its been since you used it but havn't figured that out yet.

Also it won't fire my mega ego type b LR atty as high a voltage as an ego would, i would say its 3v even if the screen says otherwise. Dual Coil cartos do work well on it though, but 6v with them doesnt feel as hot as 6v on my vv evercool boxmod.

 

[orachel]

Glad you like it, Victory! I can't WAIT to get ahold of mine. As for the dual coils, I promise you, even if it says you're at 6v, you're not anywhere near it unless you're on a really high ohm dual coil (I've never heard of such a thing, but that certainly doesn't mean they aren't out there), so guessing that's why it doesn't seem as hot. I dunno...curious to check mine out with a voltage meter when it shows up. It does restrict the amps to 2.5, I'm pretty sure, similar to Lava Tube.

Have you seen this? Its P Busardo's really detailed lava tube review, but might be cool for you (or me, or anyone with a visionTox, or looking into one) because he charts out exactly how high the LT will let you go in volts on each resistance carto or atty. I think he tests 1.25 ohms cartos/attys all the way up to 4ohms, from 3 volts, all the way up to 6v each. But that will give you an idea of how high every carto or atty you have will let you go on a vv device that lets you go up to 2.5amps. I hope that made sense, but if not, and you haven't seen it, peek at the review. Its the middle bit when he starts getting into the charts thats helpful. It probably won't be exactly the same, since it is a different device, but guessing its within a very small variance or so, cause 2.5 amps is 2.5amps, right? But anyway, that will give you an idea of where the limitations are, so you know how high you're really cooking on that LR atty or dual coil carto. Cause you're right... the screen can't be taken at face value on a device that limits amps. Here's the review... You know, I wonder how much of a difference the 18650 makes in the lt to the 18500...

Does any tech savvy person know? Would the difference in the battery make any adjustment to these charts in review? He does go over the 18350 LT mini as well, so at least we know its pretty accurate on the mini charts in review, to the Tox in mini mode w 18350 tube. And its pretty user friendly, even for those without much tech savvy (like myself, for instance).

Taste Your Juice | VZ VV Tube Mod (AKA Lavatube) Full vs. Mini – Vaping Zone

 

[orachel]

And here's the first look vid from a UK distributor. They call it the Howitzer, but its all the same GS_Sub. He shows you exactly how to do all of the functions, so that might be easier than the manual. I'm planning on following along, once I get mine. Can't believe he didn't mention the "my master" thing. That's definitely noteworthy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2rd9l5azSM

 

[VictoryNotVengence]

i didnt know about the 5 click master off untill I read this thread. I'm going to skip Pbusardo's review because I don't have 4 hours to burn . I don't understand why it will fire a dual coil at higher voltages but with an LR atty its stuck at 3v.

 

[orachel]

lol...yeah it is like 38 minutes, but he goes into a bunch of graphs. Useful if you need it, but not everyone wants to sit thru it. I don't quite understand that either, other than from what I understand, It will FIRE on anything that fits on it properly, but it holds the voltage down to what will work within the 2.5 amp restriction. So for instance, (and this is just made up... idon't remember the real numbers) , say I have a 1.5 ohm carto. I can set the voltage to 5.75v and be vaping away, no problem. But the whatever inside it will only actually GIVE me 4.5 on a 1.5ohm carto, because the voltage I asked for goes over the amp limit. Vaping away at 5.75 on the display, but only getting 4.5 in reality. Hope I explained that right. Maybe someone with more tech experience will pop in here and explain it better. But general idea is with LT and Vision (and anything with an amp restriction at around 2.5) what you ask for isn't necessarily what you get. Now with something like Provari, it has a much higher amp restriction, so if you ask for 5.75 on a 1.5ohm carto it'll let you vape there...right up until you kill your carto, or it gives you an error message.

And I don't know why its not firing over 3 on your low res atty... I didn't think it could do that. Might be an odd pin fit or something. I was under the impression it would let you set the controls at pretty much anywhere on anything, but would just deliver a lower voltage if your resistance is too low. Hoping someone can answer that better for you.

 

[VictoryNotVengence]

I just found another great feature!
With the small 18350 battery tube the unit will fire up and work with a AW IMR rcr123a aka the 16340. Woot! Now I have 6 more batteries that work with the Tox.

 

[antfuzz]

If you all need to know how the OLED screen functions work you can view this video from steeljan who is demonstrating the Ultimo 950. That unit uses the same screen because the same company makes both. I'm sure shortly someone will come up with another video explaining all the features of the TOX.

 

[orachel]

Thanks, antfuzz! I'm pretty much sold on ordering one, but dying to see more info on it, since I'm stuck waiting on credit cards. At least this way I can look on in envy.

 

[orachel]

Oh wow... that's MUCH much clearer than any other vid I've seen on the screen. So clear! Even more es'cited now. And yeah, I'm sure its identical screen since they're both Green Sound. You know, wondering how those other Green Sound manufactured devices hold up over time.

 

[brian5470]

Well did some testing on my Tox today and not good news at a 6v setting with a 3ohm boge carto I only get 4.2 volts under load at 4.2 volts under the same 3ohm load I only get 3.5 volts under load at 3.7 volts under the same 3ohm load I only get 3.3 volts. So I am thinking of sending it back. A 3ohm boge should let the Tox run up to its six volts rating with the 2.5 amp limiter. Oh and I tried this with both battery sizes with same results.

 

[orachel]

Oh holy crud... that is SO not good. I really didn't want to know that. Why the hell would it be so very off, like that? Geez.... if its that bad, I'd be better off with a dang lava tube. Wonder if anyone else is testing theirs.

btw, Brian5470... I reposted your data (credited you, of course) in another Tox thread in the gotvapes forum, so I'm crossing fingers someone else has ability to do testing. Keep hoping maybe you just got a crummy one, but somehow thinking the chances of that aren't too great. You know, that really ticks me off. Clearly, these shops order these things based on the specs, so they can't help what they get. But they can do testing, takes all of 5 minutes, to make sure that they're not posting inaccurate claims. The 2.5amp thing I can live with... but only getting 4.2v on a 6v setting with 3ohms... clearly something isn't performing as advertised.

 

[brian5470]

yeah makes it pretty pointless to have variable voltage if it wont go past 4.2 volts under load which most 3.7 volt devices start at with fresh batteries.

 

[WyattDerp]

Pbusardo had a review on the Lavatube that showed the voltages being dead on or very close to what is selected.




Skip to about 20:35 for the voltages under load.