Anyone else feel like Mt BakerVapor is just so- so?

[spaceman84]

Some of their juices are hit or miss. I have found that some of their flavors taste like $#%&$@ out of the mailbox but after letting them steep a while are vapeable. Their prices are low enough to allow me to order a few of the same flavor but with different options (pg/vg ratio, flavor shots) to see what works best.

Candy Cane, Green Apple, Lemonade, Grape, Peach, Pear are great imo with 5 flavor shots. I order those all the time. Tried those same flavors from some "gourmet" vendors, costing way more $$ for less quantity, and didn't care for them even though reviews on those gourmet juices were great..

Their speed in shipping is amazing and their customer service is fantastic. Not only do they give me a free bottle of juice (min$ required) but they periodically upgrade my bottle size; my 30ml bottle order becomes 50ml! Now that's customer appreciation!

If you have to add 5 flavor shots, is it really a great bargain anymore? Also, if they can give away 20ml at random, the margin on the product must be quite high even on a budget priced product.

I've come to the conclusion that you get what you pay for with e-cig juice. Some people think McDonalds is great every day and Applebees is fine dining and can't tell the difference between Walmart Great Value products and brand name. I think the defenders of MBV and other budget brands need to acknowledge that there is a considerable difference between vendors and you do get what you pay for. If it doesn't make a difference to you, that's fine, but you can't claim that Velveeta is just as good as 4 year old Black Diamond Extra Sharp Cheddar just because you like Velveeta.

I know why people feel the need to validate their choice. But people also need to get a grip on reality and admit that they like it because it's cheap and "good enough" and not say that it's the best. Johnny Walker Red isn't on par with Johnny Walker Blue even if it is your favorite. There's nothing wrong with cheap stuff being your favorite. There's no need to tell everyone who doesn't like the cheap stuff that they're wrong and it really is the best and people buying "gourmet juice" are doing it wrong or wasting their money.

 

[DustyZ]

If you have to add 5 flavor shots, is it really a great bargain anymore? Also, if they can give away 20ml at random, the margin on the product must be quite high even on a budget priced product.

I've come to the conclusion that you get what you pay for with e-cig juice. Some people think McDonalds is great every day and Applebees is fine dining and can't tell the difference between Walmart Great Value products and brand name. I think the defenders of MBV and other budget brands need to acknowledge that there is a considerable difference between vendors and you do get what you pay for. If it doesn't make a difference to you, that's fine, but you can't claim that Velveeta is just as good as 4 year old Black Diamond Extra Sharp Cheddar just because you like Velveeta.

I know why people feel the need to validate their choice. But people also need to get a grip on reality and admit that they like it because it's cheap and "good enough" and not say that it's the best. Johnny Walker Red isn't on par with Johnny Walker Blue even if it is your favorite. There's nothing wrong with cheap stuff being your favorite. There's no need to tell everyone who doesn't like the cheap stuff that they're wrong and it really is the best and people buying "gourmet juice" are doing it wrong or wasting their money.

I sorry but your line of thinking is just not logical at all, you think that because you pay more it's better, I hate to break it to you but that just doesn't hold any weight what so ever. Also it's not 20ml, it's 15ml and it has a specific dollar amount that you spend to get that as a sample of another juice. Also the 5 flavor shots are options that many use to offset the PG/VG mix that they get, you are aware that the more VG you have in a juice mutes the flavors, so hence more flavor shots may or may not be required depending on your preference, others just happen to like very strong slap you in your face flavor. So you comments are way off base and hold no merit of fact. If you happy paying much more for a juice and going on the assumption that all over priced or high priced juices are better solely on the fact that they cost more, well that's your choice! Your comparison that you are trying to make also do not how a lot of weight for the argument.

 

[kelli]

elitists are such boors.

 

[twgbonehead]

I fail to see the logic behind such posts as this that simply wish to bash a vendors juice. Taste is subjective, not everyone is going to like all the juices of any single vendor and anyone that says they do is well, let's just say not telling the truth. Just because you don't care for a particular vendors juice is not a reason to go bad mouthing them and honestly it really is not a good reflection of the person doing that bashing. If a vendor is ripping someone off or has deceptive practices this would be useful information, but just because you don't like a particular vendors juice is not useful, I don't care what you like or don't like, I don't tell you what to eat, where to eat or how to eat, I could care a less if you like this vendor or that vendors juice. Move on, act like an adult and get over it and yourself.

Again, if there is something that is productive, well that's fine. It just never ceases to amaze me that people seem to feel the need to bash someone or something just because THEY don't like it, well you may not but others do.

And most of the people that do the bashing have not taken the time read or understand what the vendors recommendations are, well that's your fault and yours alone.

In the case of MBV, perhaps this is not out of line. I got a bunch of juices from them, and out of the mailbox it was, "Oh, crap".

For some reason, MBV juices get very good after steeping, but taste meh-to-horrible out of the mailbox! And there have been many posts on ECF that have said "If it really blows when it's new, it isn't likely to get better". For me at least, MBV has been the exception to the rule.

I totally detested this stuff out of the mailbox. 2 weeks later, it's getting very tasty!

I think that it is important to pass around this kind of information - to say that you don't like a particular vendor's juice, and get suggestions from the rest of the ECF community about their experiences, and what could improve them. I don't think I would recommend MBV to a new vaper, but I certainly would give them some steeped MBV juices as starters so they could learn the virtue of patience!

 

[Kropotkin]

Some people think McDonalds is great every day and Applebees is fine dining and can't tell the difference between Walmart Great Value products and brand name. I think the defenders of MBV and other budget brands need to acknowledge that there is a considerable difference between vendors and you do get what you pay for.

But if they honestly can't tell the difference, they can hardly "acknowledge" it, can they?

 

[Miarose]

In the case of MBV, perhaps this is not out of line. I got a bunch of juices from them, and out of the mailbox it was, "Oh, crap".

For some reason, MBV juices get very good after steeping, but taste meh-to-horrible out of the mailbox! And there have been many posts on ECF that have said "If it really blows when it's new, it isn't likely to get better". For me at least, MBV has been the exception to the rule.

I totally detested this stuff out of the mailbox. 2 weeks later, it's getting very tasty!

I think that it is important to pass around this kind of information - to say that you don't like a particular vendor's juice, and get suggestions from the rest of the ECF community about their experiences, and what could improve them. I don't think I would recommend MBV to a new vaper, but I certainly would give them some steeped MBV juices as starters so they could learn the virtue of patience!

There have also been many posts about how juice HAS to steep for 1-3 weeks for it to come into it's own. And I will agree with you, some of mbv's juices I don't want to vape fresh out of the mail, like moo juice. However, a week in, i will not put it down! But with their fruity vapes, I can vape them right away, they just get better with age like all their other juices

 

[Criticalmass]

I fail to see the logic behind such posts as this that simply wish to bash a vendors juice. Taste is subjective, not everyone is going to like all the juices of any single vendor and anyone that says they do is well, let's just say not telling the truth. Just because you don't care for a particular vendors juice is not a reason to go bad mouthing them and honestly it really is not a good reflection of the person doing that bashing. If a vendor is ripping someone off or has deceptive practices this would be useful information, but just because you don't like a particular vendors juice is not useful, I don't care what you like or don't like, I don't tell you what to eat, where to eat or how to eat, I could care a less if you like this vendor or that vendors juice. Move on, act like an adult and get over it and yourself.

Again, if there is something that is productive, well that's fine. It just never ceases to amaze me that people seem to feel the need to bash someone or something just because THEY don't like it, well you may not but others do.

And most of the people that do the bashing have not taken the time read or understand what the vendors recommendations are, well that's your fault and yours alone.

I'm not trying to bash, and for the record I have not yet ordered from Mt. Baker Vapor. But I am starting to believe that for certain flavors you just have to spend the money. Vanilla being one of them. Many of the reviews on the Mt. Baker website say that their vanillas are not a strong-point for them.

 

[Miarose]

I'm not trying to bash, and for the record I have not yet ordered from Mt. Baker Vapor. But I am starting to believe that for certain flavors you just have to spend the money. Vanilla being one of them. Many of the reviews on the Mt. Baker website say that their vanillas are not a strong-point for them.

i don't think vanilla is just an mbv issue. i think it's a juice issue. i've seen something similar in soap making.
same goes with chocolate, and coffee juices.
i'm yet to find any of those 3 that I like. One made me wanna vomit.. >< and no wasn't from mbv, was from a "gourmet" high priced company.

 

[DustyZ]

In the case of MBV, perhaps this is not out of line. I got a bunch of juices from them, and out of the mailbox it was, "Oh, crap".

For some reason, MBV juices get very good after steeping, but taste meh-to-horrible out of the mailbox! And there have been many posts on ECF that have said "If it really blows when it's new, it isn't likely to get better". For me at least, MBV has been the exception to the rule.

I totally detested this stuff out of the mailbox. 2 weeks later, it's getting very tasty!

I think that it is important to pass around this kind of information - to say that you don't like a particular vendor's juice, and get suggestions from the rest of the ECF community about their experiences, and what could improve them. I don't think I would recommend MBV to a new vaper, but I certainly would give them some steeped MBV juices as starters so they could learn the virtue of patience!

This is the part that I don't understand for most people as the fact is that there juices are made FRESH TO ORDER and they do state on the site that the juices need to steep, perhaps they need to make that more viewable as it seems there are people that miss that part of the process. Yes, it's true that some of the juices don't taste all that great right out of the mail whereas others are fine, but do get better with a good aging time. I know I have had this issue with some that I have gotten for example, I had wanted to try the Red Apple and when I first got it, it was not all that pleasant but I knew that some needed to steep, it took 3 weeks but once it did, I am glad I didn't toss it as it is now one of my favorites, same with a number of others, but there are some that are good right out of the mail, but I find that mostly what I like does in fact require anywhere from 1 week to 4 weeks depending on the juice. There have been others just as yourself that had the very same results. As with every other vendor out there, there are those juices that some people are going to love and some that just don't fit them, juices are very subjective and so much comes into play on them as well.

 

[Criticalmass]

i don't think vanilla is just an mbv issue. i think it's a juice issue. i've seen something similar in soap making.
same goes with chocolate, and coffee juices.
i'm yet to find any of those 3 that I like. One made me wanna vomit.. >< and no wasn't from mbv, was from a "gourmet" high priced company.

I hope this isn't true but it is definitely a possibility. I am hoping the CLS I ordered will be worth the price.

 

[DustyZ]

I'm not trying to bash, and for the record I have not yet ordered from Mt. Baker Vapor. But I am starting to believe that for certain flavors you just have to spend the money. Vanilla being one of them. Many of the reviews on the Mt. Baker website say that their vanillas are not a strong-point for them.

And this holds true for any vendor out there. I don't believe for 1 second that a juice is better due to the price you pay, there are too many other things that come into play on this, taste being the first and is subjective, the next is what flavors are they using, what PG and VG they are using etc. Also people tend to not pay attention especially when it comes to aging a juice, they want it now and want it to be perfect right out of the gate, and there is nothing wrong with this, but by the nature of the product this isn't something that is really going to happen unless they are pre-aged and sit before being sold. I have had expensive juice that tasted nasty juice as much as cheaper juices. So many variables. Price is not the defining factor in the majority of cases. There of course are exceptions to everything however. I actually like the French Vanilla but it also needs a long steep time, the Madagascar is good as well and strong, but Vanilla is one of those types of juices that are simply hard to really find a great one, same with coffee and tobacco juices. I have pure vanilla here and would love to be able to vape it, but it's an extract and is not really useful for that darn it... lol

 

[twgbonehead]

There have also been many posts about how juice HAS to steep for 1-3 weeks for it to come into it's own. And I will agree with you, some of mbv's juices I don't want to vape fresh out of the mail, like moo juice. However, a week in, i will not put it down! But with their fruity vapes, I can vape them right away, they just get better with age like all their other juices

I sort of agree. There are a lot of vendors I've tried that are really good right out of the mailbox.

My point was mostly that MBV seems to have some juices that really NEED to steep. Then again, most of what I've ordered from them were creams and custards. (Actually, this thread just got me to order another 8 flavors from MBV, you ba*****s!). The other vendors I've tried were either OK out of the box but got better, or lousy and never got better. MBV is unique in my limited experience in that it can be absolutely horrible out of the mbox, and yet terrific a few weeks later.

That was really the point I was trying to make, that unlike many other juice vendors, you can't judge an MBV unless you've let it steep. And the difference between properly aged MBV and "too young" is enormous. That's really not typical. You're not steeping it to "develop the flavors", you're steeping it to turn it from unvapeable to great. (And it does take patience, which I have in very short supply....)

 

[Mowgli]

Many people are so bright that they only read the first line in a paragraph.

Thus this:

becomes:

MBV premium e juice is hand crafted right here in the United States. blah blah blah...

Hence: "I just got my order and it tastes like crap! WTPh?"

I named that pic RTFMorSTFU.jpg


YMMV

 

[Lombaowski]

elitists are are such boors.

One "are" wasn't good enough for the elitist peasants?

 

[Mowgli]

And this holds true for any vendor out there. I don't believe for 1 second that a juice is better due to the price you pay, there are too many other things that come into play on this, taste being the first and is subjective, the next is what flavors are they using, what PG and VG they are using etc. Also people tend to not pay attention especially when it comes to aging a juice, they want it now and want it to be perfect right out of the gate, and there is nothing wrong with this, but by the nature of the product this isn't something that is really going to happen unless they are pre-aged and sit before being sold. I have had expensive juice that tasted nasty juice as much as cheaper juices. So many variables. Price is not the defining factor in the majority of cases. There of course are exceptions to everything however. I actually like the French Vanilla but it also needs a long steep time, the Madagascar is good as well and strong, but Vanilla is one of those types of juices that are simply hard to really find a great one, same with coffee and tobacco juices. I have pure vanilla here and would love to be able to vape it, but it's an extract and is not really useful for that darn it... lol

FW Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
I think MBV calls it Vanilla Ice Cream but CRS says maybe French Vanilla.
Do you remember that conversation?

 

[Lombaowski]

There have also been many posts about how juice HAS to steep for 1-3 weeks for it to come into it's own. And I will agree with you, some of mbv's juices I don't want to vape fresh out of the mail, like moo juice. However, a week in, i will not put it down! But with their fruity vapes, I can vape them right away, they just get better with age like all their other juices

Coming to it's own is one thing, saying you detest a juice at delivery and it's super duper awesome three weeks later seems like something you talked yourself into. Good juices get better with steeping, bad juices are still bad no matter how long you let them sit.

 

[twgbonehead]

One "are" wasn't good enough for the elitist peasants?

We elitists truly are are everything we stand for. Anything else would be a compromise, and we daren't encroach on the turf of Royalty, who are are are everything they were born to.

For g*d's sake, haven't you read the handbook?

 

[twgbonehead]

Coming to it's own is one thing, saying you detest a juice at delivery and it's super duper awesome three weeks later seems like something you talked yourself into. Good juices get better with steeping, bad juices are still bad no matter how long you let them sit.

Sorry, that was exactly the point I was trying to make. I've had a bunch of MBV juice that SUCKED out of the mailbox, but that I like a lot now.

I have a bunch of juice from other vendors that was duh out of the mailbox, and several weeks later, it's still duh or worse.

"If it sucks out of the mailbox, it's always going to suck" just doesn't work for me.

I don't talk myself into liking stuff, I'm actually very opinionated.

 

[DustyZ]

FW Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
I think MBV calls it Vanilla Ice Cream but CRS says maybe French Vanilla.
Do you remember that conversation?

Yes, I do now actually! Thanks for the reminder...

 

[Lombaowski]

Sorry, that was exactly the point I was trying to make. I've had a bunch of MBV juice that SUCKED out of the mailbox, but that I like a lot now.

I have a bunch of juice from other vendors that was duh out of the mailbox, and several weeks later, it's still duh or worse.

"If it sucks out of the mailbox, it's always going to suck" just doesn't work for me.

I don't talk myself into liking stuff, I'm actually very opinionated.

I've actually had stuff I liked and then it was terrible after a week, seems like my taste buds came to their senses.

It may also be that I'm testing better juices in-between, then the ones I actually thought were decent....actually never were. Or it could be because I'm a juice ..... and I'm easily influenced by the breeze, hard to say.