Anyone else feel like Mt BakerVapor is just so- so?

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And this holds true for any vendor out there. I don't believe for 1 second that a juice is better due to the price you pay, there are too many other things that come into play on this, taste being the first and is subjective, the next is what flavors are they using, what PG and VG they are using etc.

Yeah, we have to keep in mind that we're discussing a very young industry; it's the Wild West out there. To argue that there's some sort of established order to dictate the objective quality of any juice based on its price point seems insane to me. What are the ingredients? PG, VG, nicotine, and a relatively small amount of food flavoring. All of those ingredients, even if you assume the highest quality flavorings, are inexpensive in the relevant quantities.

So certainly you can't argue that expensive juices simply cost 100-150% more in raw material. You might try to argue that the difference is in quality control and/or the quality of the labor, but that's a tough row to hoe simply because there's no solid evidence one way or another. If anything, MBV seems to have a much better reputation than the average vendor, vis-a-vis order accuracy, shipping times, and customer service, but that's a subjective judgment based on my reading of ECF and other websites. The fact is that we don't have access to reliable and meaningful statistics with regard to customer satisfaction in the world of vaping.

The far more obvious explanation for the wild variation in juice prices is that the industry is young, and vendors will charge whatever they think they can get away with charging for what is, by all reasonable estimates, an extremely low-cost product. Or, an outfit might charge more because the owner's doing all/most of the work himself, because he hasn't the sales' volume or experience to have stream-lined the process yet.

The looming threat of regulation doesn't help matters; many vendors likely feel that there may be no tomorrow. There is less natural downward pressure on the market because there's no expectation that anyone, no matter how popular their business, has a steady audience and thus will have a steady stream of revenue over the long term. Given a stable market, and given enough business volume, a juice vendor could probably make a tidy profit even if they charged half of what MBV does. But no one has any reasonable expectation that they'll ever be in that position.

Anyway, that's all a long way of saying that this ain't exactly Kobe beef versus a Whopper cheeseburger. The justification for e-juice price variations is almost entirely opaque to the consumer.

Also people tend to not pay attention especially when it comes to aging a juice, they want it now and want it to be perfect right out of the gate, and there is nothing wrong with this, but by the nature of the product this isn't something that is really going to happen unless they are pre-aged and sit before being sold. I have had expensive juice that tasted nasty juice as much as cheaper juices. So many variables. Price is not the defining factor in the majority of cases.

For what it's worth, the only generalized distinction I've seen between MBV juices and more expensive vendors' juices is that the more expensive juices more often come pre-steeped, and that's very nice -- but it's not because MBV is a second-class operation; it's because MBV sells juices to order. In other words, it's not necessarily a disadvantage for MBV. Nor is it necessarily an advantage. Some people will prefer no-muss, no-fuss, basically-zero-thought products like Halo's (one of my faves on the more expensive end of the spectrum). Others prefer the near-infinite customization that MBV offers. Still others will prefer something in-between.

Whatever your preferences ultimately turn out to be, there's a solid chance you're gonna hate a large portion of the juices you taste, regardless of the vendor, and regardless of the juice's quality.
 

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Coming to it's own is one thing, saying you detest a juice at delivery and it's super duper awesome three weeks later seems like something you talked yourself into. Good juices get better with steeping, bad juices are still bad no matter how long you let them sit.

I've come to the conclusion that discussions about vendor flavors are dangerous territory considering we all don't like the same things- regardless of the price. I had a juice that was bad out the mail and didn't improve a month later. I ended up giving it away.
 

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Going to put out my :2c:
I vaped MBV the first 8 months, mostly Butterscotch and Peanut Butter cup. They were pretty good. I enjoyed them. Then I bought better gear, hey, MBV was still hitting it.........and then I got bored. The other flavors I had received from MBV just didn't quite hit the spot so I went on a 2 month "sample run" of any vendor I found with high reviews, prices all over the place.
Your taste buds are going to change. Your taste's in ejuice might possibly change along with them. You will probably get "better" gear along the way, try different heads, etc. The type of flavors you like might change.....it's an ever evolving process.
I found the vendor that creates my ADV and quite a few others that I LOVE. They run a little higher in price and shipping is longer, but it's worth it for me.
I still have bottles of MBV that are there just in case I don't get my order in, and gobs of samples from other vendors I'll randomly check out from time to time. Seriously, if you want to try un-vapeable, do the sample route. Some of the stuff I got was like a toxic dump, just the open container could drop a fly at 50 paces, well, I think it would! :glare:

MBV did alright by me. I owe my first 8 months being analog free to them (have to add High Desert Vapes, same customer service and juice quality). I won't talk smack about them. Will I ever purchase from them in the future? Probably not, but NOT because their product is bad. My taste's have changed.:)
For a "baby vaper" getting my first bottles of juice, they did just fine! And I do refer any newbs I come across to them because MBV (and HDV) is consistent, has an enormous amount of flavors, and not so pricey that if something doesn't suit you, you haven't invested a lot if you find a particular flavor you don't like. :2c:
 

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I've actually had stuff I liked and then it was terrible after a week, seems like my taste buds came to their senses.

It may also be that I'm testing better juices in-between, then the ones I actually thought were decent....actually never were. Or it could be because I'm a juice ..... and I'm easily influenced by the breeze, hard to say. ;)

Lombaowski,

I was actually surprised to see your response! (I have to admit that your earlier post somehow really got under my skin!)

I think a whole bunch of us here are juice whores, always looking for something tastier to (let's say inhale) and leaving us with more money in our pockets. Of course, there are many others that stick with their favorites, nothing wrong with that!

What stung me was your comment that "saying you detest a juice at delivery and it's super duper awesome three weeks later seems like something you talked yourself into". Not always the case, and I was really surprised that the "cr@p" I got from MBV actually turned into some pretty great stuff. (And this thread is, specifically, about MBV).

Thanks for your response, and Peace!
 

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LOL. I've spent a ton of money trying different juices that seemed appealing to me. Your statement makes zero sense. Do you talk yourself into liking foods that you didn't like last week? I don't think it's too unreasonable to just not eat/drink/vape things I don't like.

Not sure where we disagree. So I guess if my statement makes zero sense, yours makes less than zero? -4?
 

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Half of these posts aren't even about mbv, so why bother. Either you like it and comment to disagree with the OP, or you don't like it and comment.

smh..........you do realize it's ok to disagree?

That's part of the problem in forums. People just don't accept we can agree to disagree.
If a juice is horrid to ME I am not going to pretend it wasn't because a bunch of other people happen to like it nor am I going to condemn someone to the pits the juice tasted like it came from because I don't agree with them.

Taste is subjective.........it's just that simple!
 

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smh..........you do realize it's ok to disagree?

That's part of the problem in forums. People just don't accept we can agree to disagree.
If a juice is horrid to ME I am not going to pretend it wasn't because a bunch of other people happen to like it nor am I going to condemn someone to the pits the juice tasted like it came from because I don't agree with them.

Taste is subjective.........it's just that simple!

This bears repeating... you like it? vape it! you don't? Move along and when you find something good, post a review =]
 

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This bears repeating... you like it? vape it! you don't? Move along and when you find something good, post a review =]

I agree to an extent.
People should be allowed to dislike a juice and SAY they didn't like it. That doesn't mean they're slamming the vendor but I've seen too many posts in which someone will feel all kinds of offended the minute you say you didn't like something made by THEIR favorite vendor.
 

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I agree to an extent.
People should be allowed to dislike a juice and SAY they didn't like it. That doesn't mean they're slamming the vendor but I've seen too many posts in which someone will feel all kinds of offended the minute you say you didn't like something made by THEIR favorite vendor.

It's not about agreeing or not. It's the repetitive "this juice sucks" that isn't really seen on other threads that I've come across.
 

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I think maybe the whole problem here is that we discuss and compare eliquid venders as if they were all in the same class, or category, which they clearly are not - and don't even intend to be.

I don't think, for instance, that ECBlends or Mount Baker tries to look as upmarket as Five Pawns, any more than Wendy's or KFC tries to look as upmarket as Alain Ducasse. Why should they? It would defeat their whole purpose.

What I don't understand is this insistence that it's somehow "elitist" to recognize the very obvious fact that all these venders intentionally occupy different niches, and are clearly shooting for different markets.
 

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I think maybe the whole problem here is that we discuss and compare eliquid venders as if they were all in the same class, or category, which they clearly are not - and don't even intend to be.

I don't think, for instance, that ECBlends or Mount Baker tries to look as upmarket as Five Pawns, any more than Wendy's or KFC tries to look as upmarket as Alain Ducasse. Why should they? It would defeat their whole purpose.

What I don't understand is this insistence that it's somehow "elitist" to recognize the very obvious fact that all these venders intentionally occupy different niches, and are clearly shooting for different markets.

that some people portray those who enjoy the "budget" juices are somehow beneath them is what rankles me. it's that whole "looking down their noses" attitude because we don't spend $30 instead of $7 for a bottle of juice. if you love your boutique, gourmet, premium, overpriced juice....fine and dandy. we underlings aren't going to come to your threads and hate on them. so don't do it to us. plain and simple. thanks. good day.
 

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that some people portray those who enjoy the "budget" juices are somehow beneath them is what rankles me. it's that whole "looking down their noses" attitude because we don't spend $30 instead of $7 for a bottle of juice. if you love your boutique, gourmet, premium, overpriced juice....fine and dandy. we underlings aren't going to come to your threads and hate on them. so don't do it to us. plain and simple. thanks. good day.
I can see you're annoyed, but I don't quite see why. (You're even using the word "overpriced" in exactly the same snarky, insulting way that others use the word "budget.")

What would be so terrible about admitting that certain juice brands intentionally go for a broad market by offering fast service, low prices or a million choices, while others intentionally go for a narrower market by offering signature recipes, organic ingredients or highend packaging?

It's obvious that the venders themselves are very conscious of the demographic sectors to which they're trying to appeal - just compare their websites, their ad copy, and their overall aesthetics and you'll see that this is true - so why carry on as if there was something insulting about recognizing their efforts and intentions?

The whole thing is very peculiar.
 
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