Anyone else preparing for the end??

[Panorama911]

At my age I am not going to stockpile, probably end up in probate anyway since I have no relatives to use my equipment if I put them in my will.

But if it gets to that stage....they sure are not going to ban my Sunbeam 4 slice toaster and McDonald's straw and cotton balls....As for juice I have enough samples to last the next ten years....and I can vape 4 in one shot!

 

[montara]

You realize you got about a year to vape all that. it will start degrading after that.

I have 2 year old nic base stored frozen in 16oz glass and vacuum sealed. IMO it's as good as the day it was packed.

 

[Rickajho]

AndriaD, Of course I can only offer you a suggestion based on my own research into the matter but the absolute best possible solution for long term nicotine storage would be to buy it with a 100% PG base. VG seems to promote a faster discoloration and degradation of the actual nicotine over time.

From what I have researched here on the forum it's the exact opposite. Neither will completely freeze but VG gets the closest to it, resulting in the lowest level of molecular activity of the two choices. Exposure to air is still the biggest enemy of either PG or VG in storage resulting in degradation and discoloration, but it's going to happen more slowly to VG in long term storage over time.

 

[AndriaD]

From what I have researched here on the forum it's the exact opposite. Neither will completely freeze but VG gets the closest to it, resulting in the lowest level of molecular activity of the two choices. Exposure to air is still the biggest enemy of either PG or VG in storage resulting in degradation and discoloration, but it's going to happen more slowly to VG in long term storage over time.

That's cool. Mainly I just wanted 50/50 to simplify things when I eventually mix it with something; trying to go a little easier on the PG, getting more toward a 50/50 vape. If the nic itself is 50/50, so much the better. And I do like ECX's *marginally* better price, and saving money on shipping since I'm already planning on ordering some flavors and a driptip from ECX.

thx,
Andria

 

[zoiDman]

From what I have researched here on the forum it's the exact opposite. Neither will completely freeze but VG gets the closest to it, resulting in the lowest level of molecular activity of the two choices. Exposure to air is still the biggest enemy of either PG or VG in storage resulting in degradation and discoloration, but it's going to happen more slowly to VG in long term storage over time.

Say I leave a 100mg Nicotine Base in a Plastic Container in a Cool Dark Place for 1 Year. How much is it going to Degrade?

 

[C4M3120N]

From what I have researched here on the forum it's the exact opposite. Neither will completely freeze but VG gets the closest to it, resulting in the lowest level of molecular activity of the two choices. Exposure to air is still the biggest enemy of either PG or VG in storage resulting in degradation and discoloration, but it's going to happen more slowly to VG in long term storage over time.

Well I have certainly done no tests to confirm either or but it seems one of us has gotten conflicting information, lol. As I have done no tests, I cannot confirm which one of us has, lol. What I have read leaned towards that it didn't matter if it actually reached a frozen state but that it was all about keeping the temperature low and oxygen out. I also read that between the way PG's and VG's are produced that typically VG is left with a few more trace contaminates in it and it is these contaminates that eventually slowly start to deteriorate the nicotine. If I come across those articles again I will send them to you. What have you found that says VG would be better? I am fairly new to nicotine hording myself as well. As of now I have 1.5 liters of 75PG/25PG 24mg but I am now looking to start buying 100mg liters of either PG or VG. I would greatly appreciate any help on what you found that states VG would be better because so far everything I have found says to go for PG and I haven't come across anything that recommended VG, except for allergic purposes.

Perhaps Andria has the right idea going for the 50/50 mix, lol.

 

[Panorama911]

From what I have read thus far, leads me to get 100mg nic and bury it in a Kimchee pot..dark and no oxygen.....works for cabbage anyway!

 

[C4M3120N]

From all that I have read, nobody recommends storing in plastic for extended periods of time. Dark Brown/Amber bottles seem to be the preferred method of choice for long term storage. Unless Rickajho has found something confirming a paper cup is the best solution? lol

As far as degradation, there are to many variations to give you an exact answer. However ZoiDman, you shared us a great link:
Madvapes Blog - Nicotine Concentration Over Time
Though the test only made it to the four month mark, it showed no loss whatsoever by keeping it in the fridge and only a 1mg loss of nicotine kept at room temperature. Probably more compelling is that the loss of nicotine was only 4mg in an open container on a window sill. The test absolutely proves that keeping it chilled and in the dark is the best solution.

 

[Rickajho]

Say I leave a 100mg Nicotine Base in a Plastic Container in a Cool Dark Place for 1 Year. How much is it going to Degrade?

Above my pay scale. I could tell you where to go, but you already know the answer to that (DIY E-Liquid), and it might be rude. (Honestly, I don't know. But I do know it would be better transferring it to dark glass and having it filled to the top to minimize exposure to both light and air.)

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - If Oxygen is the Hot Topic for Nicotine Degradation, do Polymers like LDPE or HDPE allow Oxygen Transfer?

As Apposed to say Glass?

 

[zoiDman]

Above my pay scale. I could tell you where to go, but you already know the answer to that (DIY E-Liquid), and it might be rude. (Honestly, I don't know. But I do know it would be better transferring it to dark glass and having it filled to the top to minimize exposure to both light and air.)

No Worries.

The Reason that all this Caught my Eye is because there was a Thread recently talking about Nicotine Degradation.

Seems like people were having a Hard Time Quantifying the Amount also.

I wish MadVapes had kept posting Results to this Unofficial Study.

http://www.madvapes.com/blog/nicotine-concentration-over-time/

 

[C4M3120N]

Are you being serious or just trying to tease and test us less knowledgeable? lol. I think the adversity towards using plastic is that it starts to break down over time, in turn leaching toxic chemicals, one of which is much like estrogen. So I suppose you really have to ask yourself if you want to increase your levels of estrogen while getting your nicotine fix, lol. I would have to imagine that another contributing factor in favor of glass over plastic is that nicotine is considered a corrosive. This could enhance the breaking down or releasing of estrogen in the plastic container. As far as allowing in more oxygen? I really cant answer that. I avoid plastics like the plague though, it's a byproduct of the oil industry and instead of paying to have it properly disposed of, they turn it around and sell it for profit, at our expense. In turn, making us pay to be their waste disposal site. Ingenious if you are them, unfortunate if you are us...

 

[zoiDman]

Are you being serious or just trying to tease and test us less knowledgeable? lol. ...

A Little from Column "A". A Little from Column "B". And Little from Column "C". LOL

But Seriously.

I would Strongly Suggest that if Anyone is going to do Long Term Storage of Nicotine Base, that they Store the Nicotine Base in Glass. And Not in a "Plastic" Container.

Possible Chemical Leaching and Moister/Gas Permeability are not Factors when Glass is Used.

 

[mmsjs5]

I've read several posts by 'Kurt', a chemist on the forum.

Here's one that mentions what he thinks about VG vs PG....http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-check-my-math-before-i-buy.html#post11484802 (post #3).

Here's one that talks about plastic vs glass....http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5-preparations-freezing-nic.html#post10886763 (post #12).

He posts quite often, and is very informative. Do a search for his posts and you will learn a lot.

 

[Alien Traveler]

BTW - If Oxygen is the Hot Topic for Nicotine Degradation, do Polymers like LDPE or HDPE allow Oxygen Transfer?

As Apposed to say Glass?

Yes, plastic bottles do allow oxygen transfer (in contrast to glass) and LDPE or HDPE are the worst. But I have no idea how bad (or good) they are for nicotine.
plastic bottle resin materials

 

[C4M3120N]

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[rzil]

No Worries.

The Reason that all this Caught my Eye is because there was a Thread recently talking about Nicotine Degradation.

Seems like people were having a Hard Time Quantifying the Amount also.

I wish MadVapes had kept posting Results to this Unofficial Study.

Madvapes Blog - Nicotine Concentration Over Time

Glad to see that some1 is making a research about it , I'm too afraid of keeping mine in the fridge

 

[AndriaD]

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That price is not only not in the same ballpark, I'm not sure it's even the same SPORT. I think I'll stick with ECX's 14.99 for 115ml.

Andria

 

[jonnyh]

Preparing for the end of what lol. I am not a doomsday prepper but if you are i have no issues with it.

 

[zoiDman]

That price is not only not in the same ballpark, I'm not sure it's even the same SPORT. I think I'll stick with ECX's 14.99 for 115ml.

Andria

Are you Factoring in the Price of the Glass Bottles and Poly-Caps.

$15 for 115ml => $130.44/Liter

Not sure what mg Level that ECX Nicotine Base is? But $130/L seems High even for 100mg.