Anyone really suprised that vaping is getting heavily regulated in many places?

[Pete M]

1) vaping would be frowned upon by Government regardless of vapor volume. Money.
2) vaping more liquid is worse for your health than vaping less liquid. Logic.
3) Idiocy & ignorance is rife and, indeed, appears to be fashionable. Media.

I seem to be in the minority on ECF but i come across a lot of vapers who are happy to fill a (public) room with their stink. All of the pubs i frequent which allow(ed) vaping have the ignorant, selfish vaper who thinks it's ok to fog up the whole room. These people are the cause of vaping being banned daily in more and more places. I detest them and their pig-ignorant 'it's my right' attitude. It's also the right of the proprietor to stop all vaping because of the selfish few.
And it always smells of sweetener, just sweetener

I get you with your u point on pubs. When I started vaping no pubs ever had a problem with it. I remember smugly sitting in the warmth in winter whilst my smoker friends had to brave the elements in winter. If people mentioned it at all it was just out of curiosity about what vaping was.

Then slowly but surely, bar staff would, apologetically in most cases, ask me to stop. Sometimes they'd even apologise about the rules, but say that the blanket ban approach was taken due to cloud machines bothering other customers.

Now its gone full circle and I just assume vaping isn't permitted anywhere. Oh well.

 

[CMD-Ky]

1) Vaping would be frowned upon by Government regardless of vapor volume. Money.
2) Vaping more liquid is worse for your health than vaping less liquid. Logic.
3) Idiocy & ignorance is rife and, indeed, appears to be fashionable. Media.

I seem to be in the minority on ECF but i come across a lot of vapers who are happy to fill a (public) room with their stink. All of the pubs i frequent which allow(ed) vaping have the ignorant, selfish vaper who thinks it's ok to fog up the whole room. These people are the cause of vaping being banned daily in more and more places. I detest them and their pig-ignorant 'it's my right' attitude. It's also the right of the proprietor to stop all vaping because of the selfish few.
And it always smells of sweetener, just sweetener

That is an interesting observation from the UK.

 

[CMD-Ky]

In Lexington, KY the smoking ban in public was recently extended to vaping. This was done by the Health Department and had nothing to do with taxation; no taxes were raised, no revenue increased. It was simply a ban by a group of people who enjoy the ability to control the behavior of other people. Taxation is a major motivator; power and control motivates others. Neither can be ignored.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Now that is hilarious! Can you even get those anymore without having to hunt for them?!?

You touch on another point though - your vaping style is entirely different to mine, in that rather than taking one hit, I have chain vape sessions. And I can guess with near certainty you use a different juice and different device(s). Though I'm guessing not a CE4. And that will be true of most people on this forum. This is what must make it hard to research properly.

Mind you since it's juul that's whipping up moral panic hither and thither why on earth aren't they just running a study on them?

You nailed it- this will be hard for anyone to do a study with conclusive results. Hey, a cigarette was tobacco. Not many variables except variety, brand, and adjuncts. Even on this forum, I've never come across someone who vapes just like I do (the right way, of course!). So any study done, people can say:

• but I don't use store bought juice
• I use all VG
• I don't use that level (or any) nic
  
• I only vape at 10W
• I never reach those temps
• I don't use tobacco flavors
  
• I vape flavorless
• I use enough airflow so I don't get negative affects
  
• etc., etc. etc.

Way too many variables. And anything "proven" by any study will paint all vaping with the brush of those findings. Like this one. Proves all vaping is dangerous because of aldehyde formation, right?

But you're right - if they want to pick one thing that more people vape than any other single device/juice, it'd have to be Juul.

 

[Tabac man]

Not that long ago maybe seven out of ten adults smoked and didn't give a toss about the others. Now seven out of ten don't smoke and don't give a toss about the others. So ist das leben cie la vie etc. Most folk don't give a toss about vapers.

Anyways, I really really hate those mugs who see me vaping and come over and ask if I have a light. They should be banned.

 

[United States]

Today while waiting on my doctor I noticed a Time Health Spring 019 edition in the waiting room. It had an article about whether vaping is healthy or not. They talked about Blu, Juul, and some other pre-filled setup. It occurred to me all those so called studies involve those guys.

Oh it gets better.… one study spoke of 5 people (not 50, 500 or 5000… 5) they spoke to. Not that they studied through science or anything crazy like that. Nope. The study indicated "they assumed vaping was not good for the user because of chemical X and Y". Chemicals we all know aren't even in e-juice. The popcorn lung thing.

The World Health Organization used the results to say how Great Britain is playing Russian Roulette with its citizenry. Not a word was said about them exploding thank goodness.

Knowing Time has a huge spin on everything they write about I speed read other articles too. Owning dogs is unhealthy and kale causes cancer. Now had I not known Time does what Time does spin-wise I'd have been asking doc to script me some anti-suicide pills after reading their most recent "health" issue.

Sadly millions believe the drivel about vaping in magazines like Time. Unfortunately much of today's nanny state is supported and reinforced by the large media outlets while beurecrats prey on the ignorant, helicopter parents and tree huggers blindly follow along.

 

[the wind]

I have never, ever seen anyone "chucking clouds" inside a public place.

good thing to hear,it's quiet embarrassing.

 

[Pete M]

Today while waiting on my doctor I noticed a Time Health Spring 019 edition in the waiting room. It had an article about whether vaping is healthy or not. They talked about Blu, Juul, and some other pre-filled setup. It occurred to me all those so called studies involve those guys.

Oh it gets better.… one study spoke of 5 people (not 50, 500 or 5000… 5) they spoke to. Not that they studied through science or anything crazy like that. Nope. The study indicated "they assumed vaping was not good for the user because of chemical X and Y". Chemicals we all know aren't even in e-juice. The popcorn lung thing.

The World Health Organization used the results to say how Great Britain is playing Russian Roulette with its citizenry. Not a word was said about them exploding thank goodness.

Knowing Time has a huge spin on everything they write about I speed read other articles too. Owning dogs is unhealthy and kale causes cancer. Now had I not known Time does what Time does spin-wise I'd have been asking doc to script me some anti-suicide pills after reading their most recent "health" issue.

Sadly millions believe the drivel about vaping in magazines like Time. Unfortunately much of today's nanny state is supported and reinforced by the large media outlets while beurecrats prey on the ignorant, helicopter parents and tree huggers blindly follow along.

God knows our government is playing Russian Roulette with its citizens more over Brexit and having Boris ****ing Jonson as the next unelected Prime Minister. If that's not enough to make us up our nic levels I don't know what is....

 

[Eskie]

In Lexington, KY the smoking ban in public was recently extended to vaping. This was done by the Health Department and had nothing to do with taxation; no taxes were raised, no revenue increased. It was simply a ban by a group of people who enjoy the ability to control the behavior of other people. Taxation is a major motivator; power and control motivates others. Neither can be ignored.

The thing I never quite got was if it's about money, why not encourage vaping everywhere? The more use, the more collected. Of course if the goal of taxation is merely punitive to make it expensive for users, it's just another regressive tax borne on the back of those who can least afford it. But I guess there's nothing new there.

Interesting events here in New York. They just wrapped up the state assembly session, which is where they always rush through bills in the middle of the night to pass when everyone is asleep. Of course one bill was for a flavor ban but it didn't survive. But that which shall be unnamed was up for legalization for recreational use. What prevented it from passing as the clock struck 12 were continuing arguments over who gets their piece of the tax revenue for their districts. Democracy in action.

 

[HigherStateD]

The thing I never quite got was if it's about money, why not encourage vaping everywhere? The more use, the more collected. Of course if the goal of taxation is merely punitive to make it expensive for users, it's just another regressive tax borne on the back of those who can least afford it. But I guess there's nothing new there.

Interesting events here in New York. They just wrapped up the state assembly session, which is where they always rush through bills in the middle of the night to pass when everyone is asleep. Of course one bill was for a flavor ban but it didn't survive. But that which shall be unnamed was up for legalization for recreational use. What prevented it from passing as the clock struck 12 were continuing arguments over who gets their piece of the tax revenue for their districts. Democracy in action.

Funny, in PA, the land of taxes and laws, the Commonwealth with no common wealth, ithat which shall not be named was only allowed if it was cooperate production only, and only vapable, not combustion, as it's a DoH program, and the DoH says vaping is far better, but this year, they saw fit to impose a 40% e-cigarette tax, because, you know, vaping is bad... Mmmm-kay?

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[United States]

At a university in my state the college passed an anti tobbacco rule where it is banned anywhere on campus including cars, except designated tobbacco consumption areas. That includes chewing tobbacco.

It's getting crazy. San Fran has banned plastic straws and smoking (ie plus vaping in public) but free needles for consumption of an illegal drug is ok.

Hell, even communist Russia wasn't this crazy.

 

[Eskie]

At least they have dedicated smoking areas. Places in NY don't even offer that.

 

[Zaryk]

Ive been vaping for a long time well before all these regulations etc.. have used a forum a couple of times to help with issues (wicking etc..) one look through any forum and their is so much obsession over vapes (people collecting, waiting for new mods, tanks etc, obsessing over flavours etc..) this if i didnt know better would make me agree about many regulations. The ridiculous size of vapes now a days and people chucking out huge clouds in public has not helped. The vaping public and the vape manufacturers really only have their selves to blame. Small old school vapes not to much health concern most likely, vaping at 100w plus on dual coils with strong flavours is a health concern and your stupid to think otherwise. I can easily see from some non vapers perspective why people thinks these devices should be banned and therefore why governments are pushed to regulate.

I produce medium-ish sized clouds with my setup. I rarely get any reaction from others in public any more. The occasional "that's bad for you" mindless drone on rare occasion, and a few that let me know how good it smells.

I do not care what others think, and never have. If non-vapers or other vapers disapprove of my actions, that is their right. I also have the right to not care and continue on my chosen path.

If you want to cry about my (or others) cloud size, feel free to grab a box of Kleenex and enjoy yourself. I shall blow my clouds away from your direction.

If there is going to be a ban, it will happen if the clouds are huge or tiny, doesn't matter. The cloud size isn't what the bans are addressing.

 

[Tabac man]

In France they seem to have a dedicated F You policy toward their smoking ban.

 

[englishmick]

If there is going to be a ban, it will happen if the clouds are huge or tiny, doesn't matter. The cloud size isn't what the bans are addressing.

The politicians passing the laws don't care. It wouldn't change anything if there was no visible vapor at all.

The folks who blow big clouds in public just give them an easy way of justifying the bans with the public, since all most voters know about vaping is the time they or someone they know or heard about was enveloped by a big stinky cloud. The closer people are crowded together the more defensive they get about intrusions into their space. Folks in the country tend to be more easy going than folks in densely populated cities.

If there were no clouds they would rely on other bogus justifications, like second hand health claims or nicotine addiction in teens or the huge cost of medical treatment for all those sick vapers.

 

[englishmick]

In France they seem to have a dedicated F You policy toward their smoking ban.

I remember reading about the time when they first introduced smoking bans in restaurants and bars in Paris. Taxi drivers blocked all the bridges over the river and huge crowds of Parisians held smoke in protests in the streets and bars.

 

[Zaryk]

The closer people are crowded together the more defensive they get about intrusions into their space. Folks in the country tend to be more easy going than folks in densely populated cities.QUOTE]

I live in the country, a very rural area that is at least 12 miles from the closest store. I tend to avoid as much human contact as possible. Since I became primary care giver to my sick son it can be weeks before I see someone that doesn't live with me. I like it that way. I don't even visit major cities unless it is completely unavoidable.

 

[stols001]

No. I am not. Ever since I got my first Njoy with the "how to explain vape everywhere" I knew it was a bad idea. I knew vaping was doomed.

What I AM kind of surprised about is how far vaping GOT without all the regulation and stuff.

Call me crazy, call me a pessimist but I am not surprised.

Anna

 

[Eskie]

In France they seem to have a dedicated F You policy toward their smoking ban.

Big surprise there.

I was surprised when Dublin pubs actually enforced the smoking ban back when it was new, maybe 10 years ago? I thought they would take the same approach as France.

The one I truly dislike is sitting at an outdoor Cafe next to a bus stop with diesel fumes blowing on over (OK lots more electric buses now but still) and I can't vape, but if I step 5 feet away from the table I'm good.

 

[Tabac man]

I remember reading about the time when they first introduced smoking bans in restaurants and bars in Paris. Taxi drivers blocked all the bridges over the river and huge crowds of Parisians held smoke in protests in the streets and bars.

Aye they like a good protest.