In my town the school officials cannot search a personal vehicle but can call the police and request them to search if they have a strong enough probable cause for the search.
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Since it's a SC decision, I'm sure there are other links, but this is first one that pops up on search. In general, that assumption is probably right. But you know how it is - the specifics in this particular case may have made them deviate from their trends.
Supreme Court Rules Police Need a Warrant to Search Vehicles on Private Property, Including Driveways
And here's one about public schools. It's old, so there may be decisions that have changed this position. I haven't really looked for anything more recent about public property.
The Right to Search Students - Educational Leadership
I have emphasize this this is my policy and the definition may vary depending upon the contracting group.
I'm pretty sure that is correct. They cannot search YOUR property without a reasonable suspicion which the principal could not provide. If he had said, "I saw your kid and friends with a pipe in it" that would have been one thing. But he did not, so it was entirely ANOTHER.
If you really want to give up all your civil Liberties, be my guest. Locker searches are different, the school OWNS that property.
However, just because I park my car in the Sherriff's office or jail parking lot, police are not allowed to swam my car for no reason. They just aren't.
They knew I was miserable anyway, usually I was going there to GET my kid. LOL.
So glad the "dark" period is over, but also kind of proud of him for getting it done. We all do this type of stuff in my family (well not me I was good at police avoidance) but like DUMB stuff. He really got through his "dark" period rather fast. He calls ubers if he is going to a bar. I'm, like, "KId you are the best."
But I still believe we can and should cling to EACH and EVERY civil liberty we can keep our hands on they are vanishing before my eyes.
The idea of searching a car on my school's property... The teachers were too dopey. I mean I smoked out of an apple or carrot pipe every DAY before science. She was incredibly boring. Etc.
Anna
If you really want to give up all your civil Liberties, be my guest. Locker searches are different, the school OWNS that property.
However, just because I park my car in the Sherriff's office or jail parking lot, police are not allowed to swam my car for no reason. They just aren't.
They knew I was miserable anyway, usually I was going there to GET my kid. LOL.
So glad the "dark" period is over, but also kind of proud of him for getting it done. We all do this type of stuff in my family (well not me I was good at police avoidance) but like DUMB stuff. He really got through his "dark" period rather fast. He calls ubers if he is going to a bar. I'm, like, "KId you are the best."
But I still believe we can and should cling to EACH and EVERY civil liberty we can keep our hands on they are vanishing before my eyes.
The idea of searching a car on my school's property... The teachers were too dopey. I mean I smoked out of an apple or carrot pipe every DAY before science. She was incredibly boring. Etc.
Anna
I'm not disagreeing with you're philosophy, but post 9/11 civil liberties, esp. those involving public safety, have suffered greatly. If public policy were such that only those things that were inherently dangerous to others were prohibited, this issue would be moot.
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I've said a few times, I wish ecigs had been around when I was a kid. In the mean time show me even one report from anytime, anywhere of a doctor treating an illness caused by vaping. The people protesting vaping know their government funding will decrease if everybody stops smoking and the taxes dry up. That's a conflict of interest.
I'm stocked up. I feel sorry for people who depend on vaping who aren't (but not that sorry). Taking vaping products off the market will shorten many lives. They know that. They don't care. Why do we let them be guardians of the public's health?
I'm stocked up. I feel sorry for people who depend on vaping who aren't (but not that sorry). Taking vaping products off the market will shorten many lives. They know that. They don't care. Why do we let them be guardians of the public's health?
I live between the Georgia-Carolina area WVA-Kentucky-Tennessee area and people here say that the moonshine runners carry anything if there is a profit.
If the government gets too involved, I will have them ship my bootleg juice.
I'll have to map this out, just in case.
If the government gets too involved, I will have them ship my bootleg juice.
I'll have to map this out, just in case.
Some of us are a little less danger averse than others. I happen to have been INSANELY danger prone in my youth. I did not die nor did I kill anyone. I've had guns in my face. I'm quick on my feet and a smooth talker.
I believe the world is as safe as YOU make it, and in my opinion if I go down over the restoration of a civil liberty, I'm okay with that.
I'm older, and I don't get into as many situations any more but I routinely worked home visits when folks showed me their bullet holes. I worked (in home) on one of the most fatal places in the world a Native Reservation. For like 12 years. Not to mention an "off campus" John's Hopkin's methadone facility.
So cry me a freaking river, I have always ENTIRELY 100% felt safe in those places, and the world itself supported me.
Also, at the unfortunate expense of pissing off some people, what happened during 9/11 IN NO WAY JUSTIFIED MOST CIVIL LIBERTY OFFENSES because CIVIL LIBERTIES are more important than terrorists, especially terrorists that COULD HAVE been stopped but were not due to incompetence.
Do you see the power we give them? I sometimes wonder if the government did it FOR that, to remove our liberties.
Carry on with the vaping stuff, but I felt far safer in my youth than I do now. This is propaganda for the safe space people.
There are none. The world is inherently unsafe. We are all going to die, if not this very minute, sometime.
I do not accept the loss of my civil rights for my "safety" and when they test those TSA agents they get a TERRIBLE average. Like 43%.
Anna
I believe the world is as safe as YOU make it, and in my opinion if I go down over the restoration of a civil liberty, I'm okay with that.
I'm older, and I don't get into as many situations any more but I routinely worked home visits when folks showed me their bullet holes. I worked (in home) on one of the most fatal places in the world a Native Reservation. For like 12 years. Not to mention an "off campus" John's Hopkin's methadone facility.
So cry me a freaking river, I have always ENTIRELY 100% felt safe in those places, and the world itself supported me.
Also, at the unfortunate expense of pissing off some people, what happened during 9/11 IN NO WAY JUSTIFIED MOST CIVIL LIBERTY OFFENSES because CIVIL LIBERTIES are more important than terrorists, especially terrorists that COULD HAVE been stopped but were not due to incompetence.
Do you see the power we give them? I sometimes wonder if the government did it FOR that, to remove our liberties.
Carry on with the vaping stuff, but I felt far safer in my youth than I do now. This is propaganda for the safe space people.
There are none. The world is inherently unsafe. We are all going to die, if not this very minute, sometime.
I do not accept the loss of my civil rights for my "safety" and when they test those TSA agents they get a TERRIBLE average. Like 43%.
Anna
Agree. 1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual.
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I wouldn't know sofar. My world class specialist and primary sent all my med rec's to a vault in Timbuktu. Now I have to help him "update" his required app with a tote's worth of rundown in the 15 mins I get for a consultation these days. If I hadn't taken matters into my own hands when I quit and joined ECF to solve the technical riddles impeding me, I wouldn't be here. So you're right to ask the question — Who is the better steward of our health?
Good luck.
Don't forget to let the sunshine into your life.
Oh frenchfry, if only some would practice what they preach.
Whether you posted it as irony or earnestly, great post.
Good luck.
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I agree with every word in this post. Public perception is strongly against vaping in America. The fact when setting at a red light and a giant cloud of what they see as smoke rolling out of a nearby automobile doesn't help anymore than 20% of little johnnies high school classmates are catching a buzz with a juul stick (often times in class).
But in total being called an e-cigarette was the issue right out of the starting gate. I still say if the term "nic vaper" would've caught on things might be a bit better. We'll never know.
The way I'm seeing it is nowt is being done because of public perception. It's being done/been done because of private not public agenda. Joe public just likes to express his/her dribble, often informed, if informed at all, by those with the agenda.
Can verify that's truth.
You won't need to map it out beyond, "hey, here's a drop off address." Usually shine runners don't need maps and in some places it all depends on a deer path, too.
<joking> I am completely p***ed the f**k off by this statement. </joking>
No, not even the slightest angry over what you say here. I strongly agree in fact. Thank you for putting it to words, from someone else who has also stared down gun barrels from the wrong end.
I see at least as many vapers than smokers now and it seems pretty accepted to me except among some parents and of course the activist types.
Too bad vaping didn't start getting big when you could still smoke everywhere, the non-smokers would be shouting down all opposition for us. Instead, it took anti-smoking progress to give it that extra push, and time, so it took off right when the anti-smokers thought the goal was in sight. Except it wasn't really, at least in a free society, and they should have still used their brains and realized it was a good thing.
Last anti-vaping "truth" ad pointed out the environmental dangers, so don't vape. Could have mentioned there's these things called trash cans, not to mention reusable gear ...
Too bad vaping didn't start getting big when you could still smoke everywhere, the non-smokers would be shouting down all opposition for us. Instead, it took anti-smoking progress to give it that extra push, and time, so it took off right when the anti-smokers thought the goal was in sight. Except it wasn't really, at least in a free society, and they should have still used their brains and realized it was a good thing.
Last anti-vaping "truth" ad pointed out the environmental dangers, so don't vape. Could have mentioned there's these things called trash cans, not to mention reusable gear ...
With the increase in school shootings, he could have used either excuse to do what he pleased.
It p***es me off too that our rights are being trashed, but imo, most ppl are going to do what’s easiest for them, and that means toeing the line.
Since you’re in a fairly secure position apparently, you can afford to be in their face about civil rights. Don’t mean they won’t throw your a@@ in jail, though.
I agree, 9/11 was probably engineered as an op to get the Patriot Act through, which gives them almost carte blanche to step on our rights. Like 5 minutes after the Towers went down, they trotted that out and no one disagreed out of fear.
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Totally agree. It's just easier for them to get away with it if they have public perception behind them.
I wasn't so much serious as just alluding to the days of prohibition.
I'll just make my own juice in the bathtub.
Oh, the 5th Dimension was irony. Just thought someone needed sunshine.
I'll just make my own juice in the bathtub.
Oh, the 5th Dimension was irony. Just thought someone needed sunshine.
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