Anyone stepping down the nicotine?

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Onawa

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Hi Tracey,

I had an excellent long reply for you, but a DNS lock-up ate it! Grrrr.

Anyway, I have a site, a resource and a quote for you, all of which are in my experience totally accurate.

The site is:
WhyQuit - the Internet's leading cold turkey quit smoking resource

free ebook and articles:
Joel's Quit Smoking Library

and this horrible yet very true quote by Joel Spitzer,

"Quitting by the gradual withdrawal method. I discuss this method quite extensively in my seminars. I always tell how if there is anyone attending who knows a smoker who they really despise they should actively encourage them to follow the gradual withdrawal "cut down" approach. They should call them up every day and tell them to just get rid of one cigarette. Meaning, if they usually smoke 40 a day, just smoke 39 on the first day of the attempt to quit. The next day they should be encouraged to smoke only 38 then 37 the next day and so on. Then the seminar participant should call these people every day to congratulate them and encourage them to continue. I must reemphasize, this should only be done to a smoker you really despise.

You see, most smokers will agree to this approach. It sounds so easy to just smoke one less each day. Thirty-nine cigarettes to a two pack a day smoker seems like nothing. The trick is to convince the person that you are only trying to help them. For the first week or two the one downside is you have to pretend to like the person and you have to talk to them every day. They won’t whine too bad either. When they are down to 30 from 40, they may start to complain a little. You really won’t be having fun yet. When the payoff comes is about three weeks into the scam. Now you've got them to less than half their normal amount. They are in moderate withdrawal all the time.

A month into the approach you’ve got them into pretty major withdrawal. But be persistent. Call them and tell them how great they are doing and how proud you are of them. When they are in their 35th to 39th day, you have pulled off a major coup. This poor person is in peak withdrawal, suffering miserably and having absolutely nothing to show for it. They are no closer to ending withdrawal than the day you started the process. They are in chronic withdrawal, not treating him or herself to one or two a day, but actually depriving him or herself of 35 to 40 per day.

If you want to go in for the kill, when you have them down to zero, tell them don’t worry if things get tough, just take a puff every once in a while. If you can get them to fall for this, taking one puff every third day, they will remain in withdrawal forever. Did I mention you really should despise this person to do this to them? It is probably the cruelest practical joke that you could ever pull on anyone. You will undercut their chance to quit, make them suffer immeasurably and likely they will at some point throw in the towel, return to smoking, have such fear of quitting because of what they went through cutting down, that they will continue to smoke until it kills them. Like I said, you better really despise this person.

Hopefully there is no one you despise that much to do this to them. I hope nobody despises themselves enough to do this to themselves. Quitting cold turkey may be hard but quitting by this withdrawal technique is virtually impossible. If you have a choice between hard and impossible, go for hard. You will have something to show at the end of a hard process, but nothing but misery at the end of an impossible approach. Quit cold and in 72 hours it eases up. Cut down and it will basically get progressively worse for weeks, months, or years if you let it.

I should mention, this is not a new technique. It has been around for decades. Talk to every long-term ex-smoker you know. Try to find one person who successfully used the cut down approach, gradually reducing to eventual zero over weeks or months. You will be hard pressed to find even one person who fits this bill. One other perspective that should help you see the flaw in the approach. Look at people here who had once quit for months or years and then relapsed. One day, after such a long time period, they take a drag and are smoking again. If one puff can do this after years or decades, guess what it will do after days or hours of being smoke free. It puts the smoker back to square one. All that any ex-smoker has to do to avoid relapse or chronic withdrawal is to - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!"

I speak as someone who cold turkey quit for 7 years and ruined it with one drag. ONE! So effing unfair! This is SO MUCH EASIER with my ego-t. Craving hits, I vape like a mad woman. It really is only three really bad days. Really.

vaping with nicotine is an awesome harm reduction ting to do, which I wholeheartedly support. But if you want to free yourself from nicotine completely, stepping down doesn't work. Cold turkey does. (in my experience anyway).

Good luck!
Onawa
 

Tracy68

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Well I had to laugh at that and I agree, quitting tobacco is impossible to do by "cutting down". Just cutting down is torture! Been there, tried that.
Though I totally commend you Onawa for going straight to vaping 0 nic I really don't think I could have done it (or even right at the moment could do it) that way.

I never intended to quit smoking when I took up vaping. I thought I would die a smoker. Thought I was the weakest, most gutless person out there who just didn't have one ounce of willpower to even go ONE DAY without a cigarette. The guilt I felt was overwhelming and I'm sure making me sick.

It all happened accidentally - totally giving up the smokes. Thought I'd try it to substitute for a percentage of my daily fix of smokes - you know, just to somehow make myself feel better for smoking less and before I knew it I'd gone a whole day without a cigarette! I couldn't believe the switch to vaping could happen so quickly!

The only reason I'm wanting to cut down to zero nic is because I believe the nicotine is irritating my tongue. Although it's stopped me from smoking vaping has not been an entirely pleasant experience for me for one reason or another. Some people sail through it and have no problems but not me it seems.

As I've cut down from 18 mg to now 6 mg I can honestly say I've not experienced any unpleasantness. No cravings at all and it's not like I've compensated by chain vaping.
Though I've noticed less throat hit these reductions really haven't bothered me in the slightest.
I'm a bit puzzled as to why it's all happening so easily but I'm not complaining.
About the only thing happening right now are vivid and sometimes unpleasant dreams each night - but I can live with that.
I suspect (or wonder really) whether it's been less traumatic doing it this way because maybe it's not just the nicotine that is the real addictive part? Perhaps it's those MAOI's or whatever they are called in cigarettes?
I really don't know.
I just know that at no time have I been chewing my arms off dying for a cigarette, and that's a very good thing.

In a few weeks time I'll try vaping 4 mg?
I think the hardest thing psychologically will be going to 0 nic. I'm sure I won't NEED the nic by then (perhaps I don't even now?) but it will be the thought that I'm having none that might freak me out.
I might try having two PV's on the go and switch from 0 to 4 or 6mg and see how it feels?

I think the whole quitting experience is something that's completely individual and each of us have to find our own way.
Psychologically I think is the most difficult aspect of it all - to quit vaping altogether and find something to occupy my hands....something to do that "finishes" a task? What do do after a meal? All those things concern me.
I'm really beginning to think that the physical withdrawing part of it is the easier part?

Anyway, that's my thoughts. I could be totally wrong, but what I'm doing seems to be working - for me.
Would love to hear from a whole lot of people who have gone through quitting smoking, to vaping, to vaping 0 nic, or even quitting the whole kit and kaboodle totally (if any are still hanging around?)
 
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Onawa

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Hi again Tracey!

I just popped back over to warn you to stay away from the board over there... I was just visiting and am APPALLED at the rudeness I found there. I just wanted to not point anyone somewhere ugly by accident. And you've already posted! You are FAST. ;)

BTW, I totally think the psychological addiction is my most powerful addiction. That's why I love the e-cig so much. I can keep what I seem to need most... the hand mouth action of smoking/vaping. I also think you are totally right in that everyone's experience is completely individual.

I hope your tongue feels better soon!

Happily vaping my own Fruit Salad - Peach+Apple+Pear like a fiend,
Onawa
 

Tracy68

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Thanks for the warning. Yes, I've heard of lots of nastiness directed towards vapers from other quit smoking forums - hence why we need something on this board to address the issue of quitting vaping or quitting nicotine! :)
Woops, looks like I didn't read the forum sections properly. Looks like in the "switching' section it addresses quitting.
 
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n2xe

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What an interesting thread! I'll chime in with my experience. First let me say, I never had any intention of quitting. I started vaping because a travel a lot and it's torture for a smoker with airports, hotels and rental cars being non-smoking (although I always stayed in non-smoking hotel rooms because smoking rooms were just plain gross). After a trip where I didn't smoke for 3 or 4 days, it occurred to me that I could quit smoking and like it.

I started at 18mg, jacked it up to 24mg, then found the LR510 atomized and dropped back to 18mg as that seemed to be just right. Then I started mixing my own liquid (flavorless) and loved it. I observed that if I was stuck in a meeting for 5 hours or on an airplane, I wasn't craving a hit like I did when I was smoking so I bumped down to 10mg and stayed there for 5 or 6 months.

I figured it was time to try 0mg. After 2 days, I was going nuts. So I went back up to 5mg. The next week I dropped it to 2.5mg and the zero the week after that. I would feels some pangs of withdrawal every now and then but only when I remembered that I was vaping 0mg. I think it was largely psychological not physiological. After a month of that I bumped it up to 3mg and find that I think I get a little buzz but never feel any nicotine withdrawal if I abstain for a day or two.

So a year later that were I am...
 
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