Anyone stepping down the nicotine?

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soulkeeper

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Disagree with what? Disagree that I gave you a truthful description of what I experience when I go nicotine free? That isn't up for agreement or disagreement. What I say happened, did happen. If you experienced something quite different, that doesn't make what I experienced any less real. I gave my congitive dysfunctions a full 6 months to resolve. I was on the verge of losing my job. My productivity was down to 10% of pre-abstinence levels, and my mistakes were myriad. I asked my doctor to prescribe something to treat these problems and she told me that there was nothing she could do. I then told her that I had no choice but to resume smoking. I did so, and those problems all disappeared.

You can feel free to state that your experience was different from mine, and I will absolutely believe you. Research tells us that 10 to 20% of smokers experience a level of distress that equals that of psychiactric patients.




If you throw in those with dopamine levels that are too low and those with other neurochemical imbalances, I believe that up to 40% of smokers are actually medically dependent on nicotione to keep their symptoms of underlying conditions under control. That leaves from 60 to 90% of smokers who can take or leave nicotine without any permanent ill effects.

My mother was convinced that she had bugs in her apartment that kept biting her. She actually went through can after can of insecticide until we finally got her diagnosis: Neuropathy. She was on Neurontin for a while until she developed a blood abnormality. When she went off the Neurontin, the "biting bugs" came back with a vengeance. Finally, the doctors put her on Lyrica. Like magic, the bugs disappeared. Would you say that my mother was "addicted" to Lyrica?

(My mother was a never smoker. I present the above example to make the point that some conditions require permanent treatment.)

If you have a biologically caused dysfunction, and a certain chemical relieves the symptoms, IMHO the need to pursue relief from those symptoms does not equal "addiction" to the chemical that relieves the symptoms.

If you were able to go for 6 months without nicotine and didn't experience any debilitating problems, then I would venture to say that you have no true need for nicotine (i.e., you are among the lucky 60 to 90%).


I was disagreeing with what you said here

"I'm curious that about half of e-cigarette users feel that they must give up nicotine. Why? What ill effects have been caused by the nicotine itself, as a separate thing from the ill effects of inhaling smoke?

Here's a discussion of nicotine effects Casaa.org - Harm Reduction

The only negative effects of nicotine per se that I have been able to find were possible premature delivery. And even that effect might not be due to nicotine alone, but rather to cigarette smoke. The latest guidelines tell doctors that if they have a pregnant patient who cannot give up smoking, that switching her to NRT will reduce the health risks."


i don't disagree that you had a negative personal experience when you quit, but rather your argument that nicotine has more health benefits and no negatives other than pregnancy.
 
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I have a questions about nicotine....

I started vaping on March 28th of this year at 18mg. I naturally lowered my nic level to 6 and 3 and 0mg. Don't know how I did it, my tasters just started to not like taste of nicotine. Or something..... Anyway, I vape mostly no nic but some days I feel like I need a little nicotine because my attention span gets short like woah! and I get a little anxious and depressed and feel like total crud.

Tonight is one of those cruddy nights, so I guessed it was a good night to sit down and go through some of my higher nic juices to taste test and see which I want to keep and which I want to give away. Anything over 6mg, I can. not. inhale. When I try, I cough and sputter and the vapor burns. (I am using a Riva with a SR and a LR atty to test)

I had no idea nicotine would be treating me this way. We had a love affair for almost 20 years and this is the thanks I get?!

Anyway, I guess my question is, has nicotine treated anyone else this way?
 

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Nicotine was very mean to me last night. I had a rough day and decided to vape some of my 12mg stash and about an hour later (yes, I chain vaped it like a crazy head), my heart was fluttering and scaring me. My body has made it's point VERY clear. It doesn't want nicotine...or at least nothing over 6mg (I've been vaping that all day today with no issues at all), and I'm listening to it and doing what it wants. After all...it's the boss.


I have a questions about nicotine....

I started vaping on March 28th of this year at 18mg. I naturally lowered my nic level to 6 and 3 and 0mg. Don't know how I did it, my tasters just started to not like taste of nicotine. Or something..... Anyway, I vape mostly no nic but some days I feel like I need a little nicotine because my attention span gets short like woah! and I get a little anxious and depressed and feel like total crud.

Tonight is one of those cruddy nights, so I guessed it was a good night to sit down and go through some of my higher nic juices to taste test and see which I want to keep and which I want to give away. Anything over 6mg, I can. not. inhale. When I try, I cough and sputter and the vapor burns. (I am using a Riva with a SR and a LR atty to test)

I had no idea nicotine would be treating me this way. We had a love affair for almost 20 years and this is the thanks I get?!

Anyway, I guess my question is, has nicotine treated anyone else this way?
 

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Nicotine was very mean to me last night. I had a rough day and decided to vape some of my 12mg stash and about an hour later (yes, I chain vaped it like a crazy head), my heart was fluttering and scaring me. My body has made it's point VERY clear. It doesn't want nicotine...or at least nothing over 6mg (I've been vaping that all day today with no issues at all), and I'm listening to it and doing what it wants. After all...it's the boss.

Sorry it treated you wrong too. I couldn't even get to the heart fluttering part.

Ole dumb nicotine. I loved it for so long. It seems we may be headed toward a permanent separation if things continue on this course. *sigh*
 

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    So, is this a good place to talk about getting off of/ cutting down nic levels w/o interference from members who view nic levels mostly as just a measure of TH, or as a recreational drug?

    I could'nt previously get a good thread going, in another forum, it seems because it would be seen by newcomers as a negative??
     

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    I have a weird question/comment. I have been completely off nicotine for almost three years. I do nothing. I purchased a couple of ecigs a while ago because I thought it would be good for me while drinking etc. I still miss smoking a lot (yes after three years!) and especially when I drink.

    I recently have been diagnosed with adult add/adhd. I have been telling people for a long time that I was a much happier person while I smoked. My gf of 11 years, often suggests that I start smoking again because I was just easier to get along with. I even have my nature path and acupuncturist suggesting that maybe I take up ecigs again to help with my anxiety.

    I guess my question is that if I was to start again with nicotine after so long, what level should I start at. Remember I have had none in three years. I know this is a crazy proposition and that some of you think I am insane. thanks in advance for any advise. I may or may not end up doing this.....
     

    db13berry

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    I have a weird question/comment. I have been completely off nicotine for almost three years. I do nothing. I purchased a couple of ecigs a while ago because I thought it would be good for me while drinking etc. I still miss smoking a lot (yes after three years!) and especially when I drink.

    I recently have been diagnosed with adult add/adhd. I have been telling people for a long time that I was a much happier person while I smoked. My gf of 11 years, often suggests that I start smoking again because I was just easier to get along with. I even have my nature path and acupuncturist suggesting that maybe I take up ecigs again to help with my anxiety.

    I guess my question is that if I was to start again with nicotine after so long, what level should I start at. Remember I have had none in three years. I know this is a crazy proposition and that some of you think I am insane. thanks in advance for any advise. I may or may not end up doing this.....

    I would start low at like 4 - 6 mg and see how that does ya. I went down to no nic but low nic helps me a lot with focus and mood.
     
    I started at 36 mg in January (last cig smoked sometime in April) and last DIY mix I mixed at 20 mg. I'm slowly stepping down and am soooo glad to be off cigs. Vaping frequently, so everytime I mix up 30 ml of juice, I lower the nic content.

    I believe when I get to 0 nic, I won't see any reason to vape, but after reading the responses here, am pretty sure I'll take vaping 0 nic over returning to cigs (they get stinkier all the time....LOL)
     

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    Buying all 18mg now and thinning at least 50% with pg to get thinner liquid. Vaping some at about 6mg, most at about 9mg and some at 12mg. And some 15-18mg when its needed. It's been very interesting to me to see the effects of the nicotine without all the other stuff. When I first went down to about 6mg I noticed I was tired all day and irritable, but I had no significant craving for either a real cig or more vaping (I vape all day anyway). A very short session with 15mg woke me right up. I believe my addiction is now similar in character to caffeine addiction(I abuse caffeine all day every day), though maybe five times stronger. It's definitely not the same as cigs. I fully believe I could now quit vaping liquid with nicotine if tomorrow it was discovered that it is really bad in some way without resorting to tobacco.... but I have no plans to. And it would have to be something REALLY bad.
    My basic daily plan right now is to drop to 0-6mg until I feel the need for more and then dose accordingly -- the same way I use shots of espresso.
     

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    It was hell on wheels going from 24 to 3.
    So much intestinal gas... & farting up a storm...
    Trapped gas everywhere..
    The first week was LOONG !!
    It felt like 2 weeks.
    :laugh:

    Now all the way down to 3 for over 2.5 months now.

    The great backwoods brew flavors + this great new Ego-T that produces such warm vast vapor
    I think it will make it easy to go to 0 now.
     
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    Onawa

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    Hello All :)

    I went from a pack a day to vaping 0 nic all at once. 8 days ago. Hard core, eh?

    I have to say that I'm happy I did. I've done long quits before, 2 yrs, 2 yrs, and 7 years, but I ALWAYS missed the smoking. This is so, so, SO much easier. When I discovered vaping I thought - finally I could quit for good AND smoke (vape) as much as I want without triggering the cravings again - and I was RIGHT.

    Some people like to ease the band-aid off, and some people like rip it off all at once.

    I really wanted and needed to not be addicted - even to vaping. Honestly, I just plain can`t afford it. It`s so easy and cheap to DIY 0 nic juice that even living on a disability pension, I can afford it.

    Also, by starting at 0 nic I am avoiding all of the loss of throat hit that seems to make stepping down so difficult. I literally don`t know what I`m missing.

    For me, quitting involves a hellish 72 hours and then 5 - 15 five minute cravings a day after that. As long as I remind myself that any nicotine will start the craving off and, "Oh Look! A sleek sexy silver cig that I can chain-vape literally all day if I want!" - that I saved for a year to buy - that does it for me.

    Right now I`m vaping peach, fresh fig, mangosteen, and pear in rotation and enjoying every single minute of it.

    This cute silver ego-t of mine is right up there with the wheel, eye-glasses, and cheese as one of the greatest human inventions EVER.

    And I have GOT to find this 0 nic club|!

    Be well darlings,
    Onawa
     

    Tracy68

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    I'm curious as to why there isn't a section on ECF dedicated to those who want to only use vaping as a temporary aid to quit smoking and wish to be free of their nicotine addiction as an end result.
    Surely it would be a good thing - to encourage and support people who want to be totally free of their addictions altogether?
    I've never quit before, am down to 6 mg of nicotine but I really want to be able to go to 0 nic and then stop vaping altogether.
    I just don't know what I'm going to do with my hands, lol. It's the psychological part I guess that is just as hard as overcoming the physical dependence.

    I'd love to hear more stories like the post above mine.
    5-15 five minute cravings a day gives me "some" idea of what I may be in store for.
     
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