May I ask why 'inhalator' rather than inhaler or vaporiser? (OK, 'vaporiser' wouldn't give as neat a little acronym). It's just that 'inhalator' seems the most medicinal option possible.
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"Subterfuges are for fools."
I agree with Bob entirely.
When I end up explaining (and touting!) my 510. I never call it anything but a "Joye 510 electronic cigarette". Anything else is just cumbersome and sounds artificial. I would rather not spend a bunch of breath explaining "why do you call it that?" ect..
A conversation often progresses like this:
"..... my experience is that it is quite satisfying, and I enjoy that it's use lacks so many of the drawbacks that traditional cigarettes posess. I appreciate the fact that that I no longer feel any cravings to use tobacco. Isn't it interesting that you don't smell anything?
My use of this Joye 510 E-cigarette has benefited me in many ways....."
It is actually pretty easy to introduce the idea to the uninformed, and I would prefer to not find myself tailoring my words to conform to a more current "political correctness" that will certainly be suspected as subterfuge during a casual conversation.
Call it what it is, everything else comes across -and- sounds like rubbish .
I agree with Bob entirely.
When I end up explaining (and touting!) my 510. I never call it anything but a "Joye 510 electronic cigarette". Anything else is just cumbersome and sounds artificial. I would rather not spend a bunch of breath explaining "why do you call it that?" ect..
A conversation often progresses like this:
"..... my experience is that it is quite satisfying, and I enjoy that it's use lacks so many of the drawbacks that traditional cigarettes posess. I appreciate the fact that that I no longer feel any cravings to use tobacco. Isn't it interesting that you don't smell anything?
My use of this Joye 510 E-cigarette has benefited me in many ways....."
It is actually pretty easy to introduce the idea to the uninformed, and I would prefer to not find myself tailoring my words to conform to a more current "political correctness" that will certainly be suspected as subterfuge during a casual conversation.
Call it what it is, everything else comes across -and- sounds like rubbish .
Look at the terminology...cartridges..puffs...vaporizes... shallow puffs or deep inhalation, etc.
How does one know this is a nicotine inhalator versus the electronic nicotine inhalator?
The association with a cessation device is the point I was trying to make but failed. Sorry, I hope this clarifies my stance.
I fail to see why the word E-Ni can be linked to cessation.
Look at an ecig, high, med, low , zero carts. If that isnt cessation what is??
I was going to call it the EID= Electronic Inhalation device, but for obvious reasons decided against it..
Im happy with the Wicked E-ID..Sorry the majority dont seem to be.
Look at an ecig, high, med, low , zero carts. If that isnt cessation what is??
I was going to call it the EID= Electronic Inhalation device, but for obvious reasons decided against it..
Im happy with the Wicked E-ID..Sorry the majority dont seem to be.
What is it? It's choice IMHO.
Not trying to be antagonistic here, but I would like to hear your reasoning on this point fom my previous post:
PS - Just also realised, you now sell TWENIs
I like that!
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Is this some e-cig company whose come up with this marketing strategy? I couldn't find a name per se, just lots of anti-smoking, here's-how-to-quit info, and go to the doctor. Then there is a listing of side effects, which I've never experienced. In fact, with regards to one in general - the coughing, that stopped within the first couple of weeks after I was able to cough up all that gunk that's been in my chest due to tobacco cigarettes. Once I coughed up that crud, I could breath better than I have in years. With regards to the nicotine itself, it satisfies my cravings and I can maintain stress levels better now than I did before.
Here are the side effects listed on that page just so everyone can see them:
The main possible side effects that could occur upon using the nicotine inhalator are sore mouth and gums, especially if the maximum amount of cartridges is being used each day.
Other side effects may also be experienced, although they do tend to be quite mild with the inhalator and will probably disappear after a few weeks of continual use.
These include:
- Nausea
- Vivid dreams
- Aching joints or muscles
- Headaches
- Cough
- Mouth ulcers
- Stomach pains
- Palpitations
I never had sore mouth or gums. Never had nausea, never had vivid dreams (I actually have chronic insomnia but hate the side effects of the sleep-type drugs esp that Ambien. Ugh I hate that one. My doctor tried another though I can't recall the name but it gave me a horrible taste in my mouth 24/7 that never went away so that one didn't last long. The Ambien made me feel drunk or drugged. The rooms felt like they were spinning and I literally had to hold onto something when I got up in the night to go from my bed to the bathroom and back. I swore I'd never take that drug again and I haven't to this day.
Achy joints and muscles is just a daily routine for me so that doesn't count; however, I can add that e-cigs not only allowed me to go to my doctor where he found NO wheezes, crackles, or franks in my lungs, which was the first time in some 20+ years I've had that kind of result. He's thoroughly pleased with the e-cigs and wishes all his smoker patients would use the e-cigs! I also printed out the information from the pulmonologists, oncologists, and other doctors who wrote up information about the safety of the e-cigarettes over tobacco cigarettes. My doctor is among the pro e-cig side of the list because of the effects I had when using it.
Headaches are a normal part of life because I have some light perception. Also, I have migraines but since using the e-cig, I haven't had migraines anymore than usual. I think I've had one, maybe two migraines since starting on the e-cig on July 7th, which again is normal for me as my migraines are chronic but complicated and triggered by loss of vision with some light perception remaining and the possibility that Sjogren's, Lupus, and the medication to slow lupus might be already attacking my eyes as they do attack vital organs but there is no way to know for certain because I have a retinal eye disease that is hereditary.
Stomach pain and palpitations are non-existent. Again, with the cough, that was sort of bad in the beginning but it wasn't the e-cigarette causing me to cough up the crud in my chest; it was the fact that I had stopped the tobacco cigarettes and my body was ridding itself of the tar and other crap put into analog cigarettes that was caught in my lungs.
Since the end of the smoker's cough, the only time I cough now is when my allergies are acting up, which they do because of tree pollen, grass pollen, and household dust. Then there was the scraping and sanding off of the textured ceilings in my house where Dh, my brother, mother's husband, & others were helping to take the textured ceilings out, repair the drywall where needed, then painting the ceilings without the texture. That gave me fits for a while but once I opened all the windows and put that little fan that sits in windows in the room where they worked and turned it so it was an exhaust style fitting, the dust from the scraping and sanding became tolerable.
I've not heard others having these symptoms. I'd be interested to know if others here had the symptoms or not in this claim.
Angela>>> After considering the options i decided to call it exactly as i saw . Ie It does what it says on the tin, or should i say it is what it says on the box.
Also as you pointed out i liked the sound of E-NI, PV= Personal vapouriser??
What happens to the Vapour?? What is the Vapour??
The Vapours inhaled, and the make up of the vapour is to allow the end user to inhale or inhalate nicotine. The delivery method is electronic
There fore i chose E-NI.
Also as you pointed out i liked the sound of E-NI, PV= Personal vapouriser??
What happens to the Vapour?? What is the Vapour??
The Vapours inhaled, and the make up of the vapour is to allow the end user to inhale or inhalate nicotine. The delivery method is electronic
There fore i chose E-NI.
Opinions are always varied and no one has attached emotions to voicing observations....so no worries!
If you named the E-Ni a turd, I'd vape it!What is it? It's choice IMHO. I agree completely Angela. Now it sounds more medical than ever before! What were they thinking? Or more to the point... were they thinking at all?
Not trying to be antagonistic here, but I would like to hear your reasoning on this point from my previous post:
Originally Posted by Angela
May I ask why 'inhalator' rather than inhaler or vaporiser? (OK, 'vaporiser' wouldn't give as neat a little acronym). It's just that 'inhalator' seems the most medicinal option possible.
I agree completely Angela. Now it sounds more medical than ever before! What were they thinking? Or more to the point... were they thinking at all?
Paise>>>LOl i think
You might not like, but that does not mean this is not a good move..Let time be the judge..
This place is OBSESSED with medical devices, why dont we all wake up to the fact that in reality it is to 50% of users..
Squabble amongst yourselves that its not, it is, it could be, it should.
But be brave enough to make a move.
I have, i like and im happy. Take it easy folks and Guess what???
The responses on here were always going to be as they are now...Let me worry about my products...
You might not like, but that does not mean this is not a good move..Let time be the judge..
This place is OBSESSED with medical devices, why dont we all wake up to the fact that in reality it is to 50% of users..
Squabble amongst yourselves that its not, it is, it could be, it should.
But be brave enough to make a move.
I have, i like and im happy. Take it easy folks and Guess what???
The responses on here were always going to be as they are now...Let me worry about my products...
Paise,
I believe the article you are quoting was for the nicotine inhalator that is doctor perscribed, not the e-cig
I believe the article you are quoting was for the nicotine inhalator that is doctor perscribed, not the e-cig
Pill - You can call it whatever you want. IMHO - That's your right to do so and if TW thinks this a good move for their business... I don't disagree with you changing your verbage. Plus, I am not sure what UK regulations are completely so if this helps TW stay alive... then by all means do it! The US wants your juice! So we can fight here and you fight there and hopefully, when we meet up again in the middle... we are all good to go and consumers benefit from a world of choice and options and freedoms to make those choices for those options
E-Ni is catchy. Don't feel discouraged.
My concern was for the article that LadyRaj has posted for us and that is that someone is TRYING to imply intended use which is exactly what the FDA is trying to do. We just recently made an argument on our blog that intended use to treat nicotine addiction in all other products that are approved, have one thing in common: They all have a stop use date. Including Chantix. For someone, like the author of ladyraj's example, to imply that Doctors are actually saying people should step down and quit... well that's not good.
Angela - I completely agree... It's a tester pack for choice. Who the hell knows where one would be in comparison from a tobacco cigarette to an ecig. Having selection for some is nice. I say start in the middle and go from there, but I also don't sell prefilled carts in varying degrees
E-Ni is catchy. Don't feel discouraged.
My concern was for the article that LadyRaj has posted for us and that is that someone is TRYING to imply intended use which is exactly what the FDA is trying to do. We just recently made an argument on our blog that intended use to treat nicotine addiction in all other products that are approved, have one thing in common: They all have a stop use date. Including Chantix. For someone, like the author of ladyraj's example, to imply that Doctors are actually saying people should step down and quit... well that's not good.
Angela - I completely agree... It's a tester pack for choice. Who the hell knows where one would be in comparison from a tobacco cigarette to an ecig. Having selection for some is nice. I say start in the middle and go from there, but I also don't sell prefilled carts in varying degrees
Ladyraj: I found the area you were referring to with regards to nicotine stopping a person's sleep cycle but what I mean when I say I have chronic insomnia I mean I've had it my entire life. Even my mother said I never got still enough for her to have anything resembling sleep when she was pregnant with me, unlike how it was with my brother who didn't take kidney shots or a few jabs in succession to the ribs. I was always moving and always punching, kicking, and never got still. After I was born, it was more of the same until I began crawling then the gates flooded open when I began to walk and then run. I was on the go all the time.
It is as if when I lay down at night to attempt to sleep, I can't turn my brain off. It keeps going and all those thoughts are on a continuous loop preventing me from getting anywhere near rem sleep, which is likely why I rarely if ever dream. I cannot recall all that many times throughout the years that I have actually dreamed. Plus, I am such a light sleeper that the slightest noise wakes me up.
My hearing is so acute that I can differentiate my daughter's school bus from the other three that run through our subdivision after only hearing it for about a week, sometimes two weeks but mostly within the first week I can tell her bus from the others.
I can tell which of our neighbors are coming home and what time they are coming home just by the sound of their car, truck, mini-van, etc... Like the school bus, I can recognize my husband's truck long before he turns into our subdivision on the far end farthest from our house. I've recognized friends talking from several hundred feet away by voice alone. I've always had excellent senses but once I began to lose my sight, it's as if the others were heightened to a new level, which can be a pain especially when you live in the city, which I did for a while. Now I'm in the city limits of another town but it's a small but affluent little town. I can't qualify it as a city because we have only 1 stoplight and maybe 1000 people within the city limits sign, not counting those within a mile outside of the city limits as the census and the town commissioners use. My friends from the guide dog school refer to where I live as Mayberry Incarnate.
But no, the insomnia was a problem long before I began smoking. It's always been a part of my life. Generally, I run in schedules and routines. I don't sleep well if at all at night so I go for several days and nights in a row until I can literally drop from exhaustion then sleep for a full day and night only to wake up and not realize what day or night it is. I called this my crash and burn phase when I was working (before blindness then afterward when I became a medical transcriptionist; my super's loved that I worked nights and weekends not to mention signing on during the day when I was bored and had to do something to break the monotony of being stuck behind four walls in a rinky-dinky little town with nowhere to go and nothing to do so I transcribed medical reports).
I'd work 2 to 3 jobs at a time then throw in college for nearly 7 years while raising my baby brother and keeping him in school through middle then high school until he graduated while raising my oldest child without the assistance of my parents (alcoholic father) or my ex-husband, who'd moved on to his next squeeze although he did seem to have a problem remembering he had to be separated or divorced from the current wife before making plans to have another wedding for a new wife with a new family as he tossed his old family away like garbage. But I digress. I think you get the picture though. I'd work and work and work until finally between days, nights, and weekends I'd hit a two to three week run where I could sleep a good portion of the weekend when I had one off to spend time with my daughter and my brother. I did what I had to do for us to survive.
BTW, I did try not smoking for several hours before going to bed and it didn't work. I've tried taking Benadryl to make me sleepy enough to sleep but it didn't work either. Used to, I could take a pain pill like Percocet or Lortabs to sleep but even those don't work anymore; however, it is most likely due to the high dose medication I take including the pain patch to keep the pain from joints, muscles, and etc from being so painful that I can't get out of bed. It also takes more for an anesthesiologist to put me under when I've underwent surgery.
The normal dose of Demerol or Stadol does nothing to abort migraines anymore either. Now I have to have Dilaudid mixed with phenergan because the Dilaudid can make you nauseous. It's the only thing with enough of a kick to abort a rebounding headache. I went almost 9 to 10 years without having to walk into an ER for a rebounding migraine some years ago. I mean it was quite literally killing me and if not it was making me wish I were dead already. I waited that migraine out for some 5 days though thinking back on it today, I don't know how I managed it that long. My DH, his mother, my aunt, brother, DH's family of brothers, their wives, etc.. all pushed me to go to the ER but I wanted to wait it out. Finally DH put me in the car. He sent our oldest daughter with his mother while he stayed with the baby. She had a cold and he knew I'd have blown a gasket if going out in that cold wind had made it worse. The doctor gave me Dilaudid with phenergan and I was asleep before we even left the hospital parking lot according to my daughter and my MIL. DH had to carry me out of the car and into the house. I don't remember anything until waking up four days later without a migraine.
I've had a few since then that have put me in the ER but none have been as bad as that one thank goodness. I don't ever want another migraine that bad again. But even with sleeping for four days, I have no recollection of dreaming or even hearing anything, which felt odd. The family took care of themselves and followed the doctor's orders to let me sleep as long as I could. DH even called in the second day and the doc continued to tell him to let me sleep. I was a bit dazed that fourth day after learning I'd missed four days but I have to admit I felt pretty darn good. My head didn't feel like an anvil with someone pounding a sledge hammer against it.
I hate to say it but Electronic Nicotine Inhalator is a stupid name. No one is going to adopt it and having one or two vendors use it isn't going to make any difference. If the owners at TW think this is a good idea for their business, more power to them, but it's obvious on the face of it that people are not going to stop using E-Cig and PV to describe these things.
I would disagree with you on that one Jason: have a look at this poll:
*http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/29010-smoking-cessation-alternative.html
which suggests a huge majority the other way.
I think most people are just keen to keep these out of the realms of NRTs because that would most likely mean them being pulled off the market whilst lengthy testing is done, and even if and when they returned, who knows what the restrictions would be (sealed carts only of 4mg max and only with a prescription for a limited period anyone?).
Whilst I do not think that what you call it will have any bearing on what happens, I can understand why some people are concerned about the 'medical' aspects, and I'm sure you can understand it too.
I do agree that the E-NI does sound catchy, but I think that the horse may have bolted out of this particular stable far too long ago for it to have any impact and catch on as a general name for these things..... but then again, I doubt that was your reasoning behind it anyway.
As ladyraj says, we'll all still buy the stuff no matter what you call it.
Looks like a few are starting to use it:
TECC 510 Titan which is probably the best Electronic Cigarette/E-NI (electronic nicotine inhalator) currently available anywhere in the world. Produced by JOYETECH one of the worlds premier designers and manufacturers of Electronic Cigarettes"
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TECC 510 Titan which is probably the best Electronic Cigarette/E-NI (electronic nicotine inhalator) currently available anywhere in the world. Produced by JOYETECH one of the worlds premier designers and manufacturers of Electronic Cigarettes"
See The Electronic Cigarette Company's 20% off Summer Sale
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