Appeals court ruling- what if ?

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SimpleSins

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Soon as I finish up the bottle of low (about 1/4) flavoring juice I have here, I will be going the no flavoring route. As far as health concerns, the greatest danger is from the flavoring agents, and since i switched to save my lungs, I'm going to err on the side of caution and eliminate the flavorings. My experience when I have used no flavoring is that it really is not that bad. Of course, I smoked ultra lights, so I suppose it's easier for me....as long as I have the warm vapor, it's all good.
 

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I've said this before but...

If they ban the flavors, and there is no telling if they will or not since cigars and other tobacco products are still allowed to be flavored, then the supplier simply sells flavorless liquid and custom mixed flavorings separately. When you get the two different bottles you mix bottle A with bottle B and have the flavor you wanted.
 

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This talk of adding your own flavors, brings up another point that FDA will probably require the E-cigarette to be sealed and un-alterable. With the intent to prevent the very things that have been suggested.

The FDA still has that it's their way or the highway mentality and if they approve something they do not want any alteration made.

Is there any reason think FDA will act differently ?
 
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Bill Godshall

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The only way the FDA could ban or restrict flavorings in e-cigarette products is if the FDA promulgates new regulations under the FSPTCA (a 1-2 year process) to ban or restrict flavorings in e-cigarette products. If/when this occurs, the public will have multiple opportunities to submit comments, testify and otherwise influence the FDA regulatory process. Also, since the FSPTCA requires the FDA to base any new regulations on scientific and empirical evidence, it would be very difficult for FDA to ban flavorings (since there is no evidence that flavorings are targeted to youth, or that they've harmed anyone).

In contrast, if the FDA reclassifies e-cigarettes as tobacco products (by decree), flavorings would not be affected, and only existing FSPTCA regs that apply to ALL tobacco products would apply to e-cigarettes.
 
A restriction on flavors is as pointless as it is unsupportable by science. As crazy as it makes me that so called "public health officials" try to PRETEND that they are doing something helpful by torturing people into abstinence by restricting flavored tobacco products, in some ways I really don't give a flying **** if they tried to include e-cigs in the idiotic flavor restrictions because even if it passed, there is nothing that could possibly stop me from buying liquid flavor extracts and no reasonable law could prevent me from putting it in a vaporizer or atomizer. I would of course fight against such a law because it discourages smokers from switching to a reduced harm alternative tobacco products; but other than the ethical offenses*, indoor use or flavor restrictions on smoke-free products are unenforceable and basically worthless on all counts.

If you are not lighting the product on fire and inhaling the smoke, there is little or no functional difference between any form of tobacco and the way that anything else like foods or drinks are consumed. That is to say, no matter if you chew, inhale, swallow, or touch/absorb it through your skin; there are foods or other non-tobacco products that are consumed in basically the same way...so unless you have a reason to ban a flavoring (or any other component: battery, atomizer, glycerine, etc. that might be used in foods or consumer products) or dictate where you can consume it, no one has offered a compelling reason why you would treat smokeless (and probably spitless) tobacco any different.

*For the record, "ethical offenses" is putting it much to mildly in my opinion because it disturbs me to my core that people like Banzwhole perpetuate fear, uncertainty, doubt, and guilt (to be fair, usually unconsciously but often quite misplaced) while wallowing in their own self-righteous indignation...but I figure if they want to chase their tails with this kind of garbage, maybe they won't have time to do something that actually matters.
 

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To the OP, actually I enjoy unflavored and it's what I vape on a regular basis. It has a cleaner taste to me and less of a tendency to gunk up atomizers. As well it is, in my mind fewer additives and less possibility of something going wrong.

That being said, yes I am concerned that the FDA's solution to losing the battle against e-cigs will be not only to jack up the prices (via taxes) but also to seal and regulate the design of the e-cigarette to attempt to prevent adding fluid directly.

I hadn't thought of the idea that they would require "skunk"/bad-tasting flavoring, but I don't think they would be able to do that based on flavored cigars. Something I am worried about is them requiring additives to e-cigs to try to kill us again like they are doing requiring additives to the fire-safe cigarettes.
 
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