are all these filipino clones really made in china?

[tobacco-kills]

I walked into a vape shop that only sold clones. I walked in intending to buy a single legit chi you, walked out buying
5 clones. Chi you, private, ds, full brass sentinel and nemesis. All of them for the price of how much I would've payed for one "legit" Chi you. I can honestly say all of these look perfect, hit perfect, they feel perfect. I can't find anything to complain about even if I try. He said that all those ads saying this mod was made in USA or the filipines were all lies. That they may have been designed in the US of filipines but at the end they're always manufactured in China. He said most of the companies that make these "authentic" copies don't even had a factory address or a real company name from where they produce them, hence they receive them from china.
He also noted that most vape shops you go to are most of the time ran by filipinos who have connections with the designers and get the first shipment of these mods, claiming a limited supply to them because they know that soon the clones will come out from the same manufactures who produces theirs.


Something I should note from personal experience. I studies economics and yes china is the worlds largest producer. Historically (past 30 years) they have been known for mass producing sub quality goods.
If your American or european and still believe that to be true today....slap yourself. Although mainstream media may not expose it, but chinas economy far surpassed the west since 2007. You are just now beginning to feel the effects. The dominance is sure to be reigned in by 2015. This is not rocket science, a small course in economics will point out the obvious. So to believe a product if of sub quality simply because its from china is pure ignorance.
Is he right? what are your thoughts on this?

 

[Thrasher]

what are your thoughts on this?

I want whats in his juice.
now i do know through off hand info many of the phili mods are in fact produced in china to their specs. but the same cannot be said about all the high end gear. a couple of the pili modders have stated they are now making them themselves to get out of this cycle.

once you look around many of the top gear modders are small shops of one or a few people, not "groups".
look at the mods from greece, atmizone, atmomixani, mmvapors, GG to name a few very few of these products are cloned 1 for 1 there are copies but with the exception of the nemi. its really easy to see the differences in the construction. china still hasnt copied the button in the roller correctly and many are curious of the job they did with the new poldiac copy.( people have finally found the difference in the nemi copy now, and the turbine isnt drilled correctly)

if your reletively new to vaping you didnt see this latest wave of clones start, as many of these products were in fact produced for some time. only lately in the past few months are any of the copies even close. and many were not worth the metal they were made with before.

it can also be said that even when china makes a clone of something many of the top mods and attys dont suddenly dissapear and sell quite well. the kayfun is a perfect example of this. so is the steam turbine from docdave. a 200 dollar difference yet people still wait for his next batch.

in the US places like supert, ihybrids and provape do exist and do have actual facilities here, along with many other mods having real shops, I can see some of them going this route but not all of them

 

[bacc.vap]

I have no idea, but I would'nt be in the least bit surprised if that's how it works.

 

[tobacco-kills]

so what you are saying is yes in fact that we have been ripped of by plenty of phili mods claiming to be produced in the philipine and of higher quality for some unknown reason, were actually produced in china? And to be fair, the owner actually did show me his provaris from pro vape and said that if US built was what i was interested in than that would be for me.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

I still think most all items made in China today are inferior in quality, which includes longevity.
In my area of work in construction, tools, and small machinery and electronics which I use are all pretty much throw aways.
I still use my American made counterparts of 20 to 30 years ago.
They find ways to cheapen the materials of its construction, and the mass production qc is still pretty lacking..

I didn't know there were Phillipino made clones?

 

[grayscale]

...and the mass production...

Bingo. Yes, China is the dominant economy in the world we live in, etc etc. However what they don't teach in economics class is the retail laws that apply - quality or quantity. China is at the top due to quantity, not quality.
How many of you are old enough to remember when Nikes and Doc Martens were made in the USA and Holland? Quality of them couldn't be beat. Now? All manufacturing moved to China, and this I can say with out a doubt, Nikes aren't worth the material they're made out of anymore.

 

[Thrasher]

um I cant say I have direct proof, but through several threads, and stuff like videos on youtube. and other sources lets just say they kind of slip up and give it away sometimes. once you see enough of it you can kind of put the pieces together.

there is also a new atomizer, cant remember by who, but the guy in the video says this revision is actually made by us this time and not made in china, wish i could remember which one now..

also a couple times the reference to grand vapors has come into conversations saying the serialized ones are the ones that past QC and the clones on places like fasttech are actually just seconds so they dont get a serial number. is it true? dont know, but i dont doubt it. we have to remember if you contract to china they will make it to whatever standard or level of quality you ask for, then just dump out something close for their version.

that all these small groups come out of nowhere and want me to believe they have access to a 1/4 million dollar cnc is kinda hard to fathom. its not hard to design something but most people dont actually think of what it takes to start production on something, machines, metal stock, workspace, electric, labor etc etc. AND they somehow make 1000 a month? I have a couple dripper clones, and after looking at the 80 dollar version hands on it is hard to see a real difference sometimes.

all the while people are complaining that modder "B" can only make 150 a month. maybe because they are actually the only ones making them.

I hybrid is a good example of this for a long time he kept people updated on what he is doing with his shop and then took his profits to buy better machines.
superT has some pictures of their equipment and thats some expensive machinery he is running. i have no problem with the price he asks because he earned it.
Alba vapors is currently looking at getting their own milling machines as the cobra hybrid is running into problems with the contracted shop for tubes and its killing possible sales.

 

[Sero]

The quality of the clones is rising, 6 months ago that nemesis clone would have been inconceivable. In one year their will be 1:1 copies of mods with almost no noticeable difference in quality. They were slow at first in catching on to the mod market, but now i think they are starting to "get" it (most likely with informants in the West as well).

 

[Brusky]

Bingo. Yes, China is the dominant economy in the world we live in, etc etc. However what they don't teach in economics class is the retail laws that apply - quality or quantity. China is at the top due to quantity, not quality.
How many of you are old enough to remember when Nikes and Doc Martens were made in the USA and Holland? Quality of them couldn't be beat. Now? All manufacturing moved to China, and this I can say with out a doubt, Nikes aren't worth the material they're made out of anymore.

Quality has nothing to do with "because it's from China". It has to do with the corporations cutting costs to maximize profits. Not because of China.


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[IMZed]

I'm old enough to remember before there was such a thing as Nikes or Doc Maartens. Remember Keds? I remember when "Made in Japan" was the "joke". Now it's "Made in China". I also remember the last fully made-in-The-USA thing I bought - an air-purifier for my mother for Xmas. It didn't work and I had to spend the day after Xmas returning it and finding a suitable replacement. So I have no problems buying cheaper Chinese stuff! And I'm not alone in that opinion. I see it all the time here with people buying stuff from FT. Same stuff, cheaper price, and free shipping. Personally I like to buy from US vendors even though I know the goods come from China. At least it keeps a little bit of the money here! (And I don't have to wait 6 weeks for it!) Americans have priced themselves out of business, and I don't see it getting better any time soon. We can no longer mass-produce the quality products we demand at a cost that is reasonable to the average consumer. So we buy "disposable" stuff at a cheaper price.

As far as the Philipines goes, it's not a state, it's another country. And I think I would trust something made in China first - just IMHO.

I never had an economics class. I don't know much about economics except that I can't/shouldn't spend money I don't have on things that aren't really going to improve my lifestyle. I see people who have majored in economics and made it their livelihoods determining our economy. And I am fearful for my country!

 

[Ref Minor]

I still think most all items made in China today are inferior in quality, which includes longevity.
In my area of work in construction, tools, and small machinery and electronics which I use are all pretty much throw aways.
I still use my American made counterparts of 20 to 30 years ago.
They find ways to cheapen the materials of its construction, and the mass production qc is still pretty lacking..

China has a nuclear programme, a nuclear energy programme and a space programme, you don't get that by using the kind of cheap screwdrivers that western companies seem to demand. China makes what YOU want and you want cheap.

Take an Ego, if you want good quality control and decent materials buy a Joyetech one, if price is a concern buy a clone at 1/3 of the price. Both are Chinese but made to different price points.