Well the thing that worries me is that part of these rumours are that they often mix ingredients that shouldn’t be in e-liquids (I assume to make it more cost effective) I haven’t found anything conclusive as to whether it’s true or not but I wouldn’t like to be smoking some potentially harmful chemicals.
Are Cheap E-liquids that bad?
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I agree, if they dont list the ingredients and I were worried, then I would not buy it.
Hangsen I believe does list their ingredients and have been supplying to the US for years. In fact now that I am making my own tobaccos I have bought and use Hangsen tobacco flavors, I love em, and I know they sell ready made liquids using their flavorings.
If its being made in other countries or even in the US and they list something like this:
PGand or VG
water if used
Flavorings
I might be a bit suspect about what the "flavorings" consist of. Some companies list the flavorings ingredients or have a list of ingredients in their flavorings. Some will say "may contain .... " in that flavoring so those with sensitivities can decide.
I dont know if they have to specifically list propylene glycol and vegetable gycerol , there are variants of both and glycol and glycerin and glyceroids etc... ( im not a chemistry expert ) but those chains of molecules change extremely.
PG and VG are used in countless products we use on, in our bodies, they are consumed in almost everything we buy, spray, inhale.
Its comes down to the flavorings. Some use organic, natural etc. Again there are hundreds of natural, organic and botanical ingredients that are deadly.
Alcohol is another ingredient that has been debated on , some say its great, as it add that throat hit, some flavorings are extracted using grain alcohol etc.
Its all dependent on what you need, what you think you need and trust.
Hangsen I believe does list their ingredients and have been supplying to the US for years. In fact now that I am making my own tobaccos I have bought and use Hangsen tobacco flavors, I love em, and I know they sell ready made liquids using their flavorings.
If its being made in other countries or even in the US and they list something like this:
PGand or VG
water if used
Flavorings
I might be a bit suspect about what the "flavorings" consist of. Some companies list the flavorings ingredients or have a list of ingredients in their flavorings. Some will say "may contain .... " in that flavoring so those with sensitivities can decide.
I dont know if they have to specifically list propylene glycol and vegetable gycerol , there are variants of both and glycol and glycerin and glyceroids etc... ( im not a chemistry expert ) but those chains of molecules change extremely.
PG and VG are used in countless products we use on, in our bodies, they are consumed in almost everything we buy, spray, inhale.
Its comes down to the flavorings. Some use organic, natural etc. Again there are hundreds of natural, organic and botanical ingredients that are deadly.
Alcohol is another ingredient that has been debated on , some say its great, as it add that throat hit, some flavorings are extracted using grain alcohol etc.
Its all dependent on what you need, what you think you need and trust.
Most important is what do you want to do with vaping? What you can afford vs how much time you have in your life.
If you can afford it why not buy, simple. Nothing wrong with that.
If you are not "in love" with a flavor, and have the time and ambition or dang it , its getting too expensive, make it yourself.
But like everything, its always something.. a new obsession, how much time and money do you want to invest in those flavorings?
If you can afford it why not buy, simple. Nothing wrong with that.
If you are not "in love" with a flavor, and have the time and ambition or dang it , its getting too expensive, make it yourself.
But like everything, its always something.. a new obsession, how much time and money do you want to invest in those flavorings?
Wow that took off, I didn't mean to upset anyone. I like and use Hangsen myself, a very good name for tobacco flavors. Nothing against China I buy items from China once in a while although shipping takes longer. Tesla has there vaporizers made in China. I'm into making my own e liquids, if you really want to save money get into DYI, again no offense meant to anyone.
Hi Carl !!! Carl is a really good guy, and I did zip through this thread, and did not read anything "upsetting" in any of the posts.
China does NOT equal BAD. Its a small country with much more concentration of people just like you or I that are trying to make a living.
China has been around as a modern, progressive leader in art, science and technology, etc for much , much longer than what we consider modern people.
I DIY now exclusively and all due to his thread on flavored tobaccos. Im so much happier, have more money to spend on the cat..
I was running myself broke with NET and all the wicking materials because of how bad they are on coils.
I started to do my own NET and believe me if there is a type of liquid that is worth the money its NET. Try getting tobacco leaves, covering them in PG/VG and waiting weeks, months for it to be right.
Then you get into the filtering, damn, filters can be as cheap as the cheapest generic coffee filters or very costly for lab grade filters.
The more you filter the more gentle they are on your atties.
It got to be way too much for me.... IT was taking over the kitchen, bottles, jars , filters and in cold temps weeks to filter.
I read Carls threads and I said, damn it, there HAS to be at least one ready made inexpensive flavoring I can make do with.
Im so thrilled now, I still have a few liters of my Acid Blonde extracts that will probably last me a life time, but these flavored tobaccos are so much easier.
China does NOT equal BAD. Its a small country with much more concentration of people just like you or I that are trying to make a living.
China has been around as a modern, progressive leader in art, science and technology, etc for much , much longer than what we consider modern people.
I DIY now exclusively and all due to his thread on flavored tobaccos. Im so much happier, have more money to spend on the cat..
I was running myself broke with NET and all the wicking materials because of how bad they are on coils.
I started to do my own NET and believe me if there is a type of liquid that is worth the money its NET. Try getting tobacco leaves, covering them in PG/VG and waiting weeks, months for it to be right.
Then you get into the filtering, damn, filters can be as cheap as the cheapest generic coffee filters or very costly for lab grade filters.
The more you filter the more gentle they are on your atties.
It got to be way too much for me.... IT was taking over the kitchen, bottles, jars , filters and in cold temps weeks to filter.
I read Carls threads and I said, damn it, there HAS to be at least one ready made inexpensive flavoring I can make do with.
Im so thrilled now, I still have a few liters of my Acid Blonde extracts that will probably last me a life time, but these flavored tobaccos are so much easier.
Uhm, no. At 3.7 million square miles, it is the world's second-largest country by land area.
Uhm, no. At 3.7 million square miles, it is the world's second-largest country by land area.
I got lost in my own rambling, yes its giant but in ratio to the amount of people it has..... I tell you, Im not knowledgeable when it comes to real useful information, now ask me about Alien toys, or certain comics of certain eras and really bad "B" films........ Im the queen of Mediocrity .
To the contrary, I feel you are VERY knowledgeable. Your contributions to this forum have personally been very helpful and well informed.
Just because you have seen "Zombeavers" (twice) doesn't make you Less Than.
It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right...
Cheers
Ira Kane
Geez, now I did it, I got Izan on my "tail"
Im kinda shocked and amazed that you use Roseanne Rosannadana to represent me. <3
Ive been noticing in my older age that Ive been emulating Gilda Radner so often these days, in looks and attitude. I love "Emily" and find myself misunderstanding things and going on about things and realizing Im wrong and saying :
Im kinda shocked and amazed that you use Roseanne Rosannadana to represent me. <3
Ive been noticing in my older age that Ive been emulating Gilda Radner so often these days, in looks and attitude. I love "Emily" and find myself misunderstanding things and going on about things and realizing Im wrong and saying :
Whoops.. My bad.
It was the phrase you used.
"It's always something"
I should have used this one:
I loved
Gilda...She was amazing! Cheers
I
Me too !!! LOVE her and miss her and her hubby Gene....Whoops.. My bad.
It was the phrase you used.
"It's always something"
I should have used this one:
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I loved
Cheers
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I have hair just like hers and could easily dress up as any of her characters with no need of wigs.
Believe me, I took it as a compliment
I agree, but I'm more confident in what I'm making than anything from China. For what I was paying for analogs, and pre-made eliquid why buy the cheap stuff.
As a consumer you can buy PG/VG for $17/gallon (in a 4 gallon glycube), shipped to your door. That's less than 1/2 cent per ml. Commercially, a 55 gal drum sells for about $0.0014/ml. It's even cheaper by the tanker full or multiple drums. ETA: That's about $0.04/oz (30ml) bottle.
There are probably not a lot of toxic ingredients that cost less than that. It simply would not be economical to do that. This idea comes up from time to time. It simply makes no sense to substitute basic quality eLiquid base with anything else to save a few $0.0001s per bottle.
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Indeed make you own ejuice. You have a much better idea what's in it and it is not $15 to $40 a bottle.
60 ML costs less than $1.75 and I don't buy ingredients in large quantities.
60 ML costs less than $1.75 and I don't buy ingredients in large quantities.
I'd love to make my own, just lack time and space.
As for China made juice I'd pass. It's not necessarily the quality but the time in shipping. What I order from FT now is stuff that isn't time sensitive for me. Coil wire is ordered ahead of time, usually I only order non-essential stuff.
I once bought a bottle from a gas station. Was actually my very first purchase of juice. I found it horribly harsh.
Now I but from 1-2 places online and 1-2 local. Have 4 50% off coupons in my inbox and 4 50% codes that were included in purchases. I rarely spend more than $10 for a 60ml. Not the best, but not the worst.
As for China made juice I'd pass. It's not necessarily the quality but the time in shipping. What I order from FT now is stuff that isn't time sensitive for me. Coil wire is ordered ahead of time, usually I only order non-essential stuff.
I once bought a bottle from a gas station. Was actually my very first purchase of juice. I found it horribly harsh.
Now I but from 1-2 places online and 1-2 local. Have 4 50% off coupons in my inbox and 4 50% codes that were included in purchases. I rarely spend more than $10 for a 60ml. Not the best, but not the worst.
Welcome and glad you joined.
The only thing unhealthy, is vaping is taking money out of the pockets of governments and various bad actors. There appears to be only one government in the world who will stand up for it's people.
Might like to read:
E-cigs 'definitely' safer than smoking
Vaping is the reason for massive decline in UK smoking - Vaping.com - Your One Stop Vapor Shop
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-effort-to-make-new-zealand-smokefree-by-2025
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