Seems like whenever a new tank/coil comes out, it requires more power from your mod(lower resistances and dual/tricoils) and faster juice consumption. Its nice that you can get your fix with less nicotine but the initial reason I switched to vaping a few years ago was because cigarettes are way to expensive. Can anyone recommend a coil besides Kanger subtank coils that won't have me going through 10 mls of juice a day?
Are coils with juice economy becoming obsolete?
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We live in a bubble. Spending time on these forums might lead us to believe we represent the majority of vapers. There's a guy on this project I'm working....he has a beat to hell ego set up. He's been vaping for a couple years. He was asking what I was using (Orca squonker with a Narda). Not only was he amazed at how a squonker worked but he had no idea what an RDA was...nor did he have any idea what ECF was. He said "There's really a forum for this stuff? Weird."
I think he represents more vapers than we do.
Excellent post.
One thing that it "odd" about the vaping world that many on here forget, is that talking to the largest store (and probably the most active) around where I live, the owner was saying that the majority of sales is actually the smaller EGO beginner's type, the AIO types and such, with the plug and play approach to simply make them quit smoking and not be a huge chunk of their lives (as per most that do end up joining forums and groups... technically we account for a very small percentage of the vaping community), they basically want someone small, easy to use with the minimal headache.
The appeal of the larger mods and tanks are more from the "younger" crowd and "hobbyists".
So the smaller devices easily sell 20 to 1 (at least) from what he was saying.
So there's quite a selection of devices out there that only use a fraction of liquid that the larger tanks do, but, the experience is quite limited, yet still good enough to get people to stop smoking... so it's all about priorities and personal investment.
Lower your wattage, and use something like the Kabuki tank that takes drop in coils, or learn how to build your own coils and use an RBA. Either way, you will be dropping your wattage somewhat...
Yup, lower your wattage. I have subohm coils that with moderate power are quite satisfying and vape ~5-7 ml a day. Lower watt, lower cloud mtl coils will certainly go through less juice, but depending on your own needs, may well require a juice with a higher nic concentration to be satisfying.
More is better is a simple marketing technique/model. A good vape is about way more than volume of vapor. Density, flavor, mouth feel etc are just as important and you won't be able to get that from a factory made octuple coil . Step away, make your own coils and enjoy a vape tailor made to what YOU want. It's reasonabley simple, and costs a lot less.
Don't worry too much about resistance, on a regulated mod it doesn't make that much difference. Instead focus on a coil surface area and a mass suits the power level that you like.
Don't worry too much about resistance, on a regulated mod it doesn't make that much difference. Instead focus on a coil surface area and a mass suits the power level that you like.
I think... for me...
My vape Juice is probably at around 600$ a year. I buy all my juice... build my own coil and keep it high wattage 60 Watts, and low ohms... around 0.2 10x240 ml.
Its a bit pricey ... not as bad as Cigarettes though, although where I live its much worse than a 2 pack a day habit price wise, but where I am from... its 3x better price wise.
My vape Juice is probably at around 600$ a year. I buy all my juice... build my own coil and keep it high wattage 60 Watts, and low ohms... around 0.2 10x240 ml.
Its a bit pricey ... not as bad as Cigarettes though, although where I live its much worse than a 2 pack a day habit price wise, but where I am from... its 3x better price wise.
Any juice no matter what pg/vg level can be vaped in a sub-ohm tank. It's just a matter of adjusting your wattage up or down to reach the sweet spot of that particular juice.
There is the Cubis, Ego one, Nautilus, Triton and many others. That's just what I thought off the top of my head.
Kanger has vertical 1.5 ohm coils and 1.2 ohm coils for the subtank in both occ and ssocc if you don't want to make your own. The `1.5 is the best for MTL. Nice vapor and flavor. Or you can just make your own coils with the RBA tank for it.
Those coils are $12 to $15 in vape stores for a 5 pack or you can get from fasttech for $8 if you can wait 3 weeks to get them.
Those coils are $12 to $15 in vape stores for a 5 pack or you can get from fasttech for $8 if you can wait 3 weeks to get them.
We live in a bubble. Spending time on these forums might lead us to believe we represent the majority of vapers. There's a guy on this project I'm working....he has a beat to hell ego set up. He's been vaping for a couple years. He was asking what I was using (Orca squonker with a Narda). Not only was he amazed at how a squonker worked but he had no idea what an RDA was...nor did he have any idea what ECF was. He said "There's really a forum for this stuff? Weird."
I suspect that this is very true. If I were looking to enter the vape market with a new device I'd see two ways to go. One would be to compete in the high volume, low margin world of plug & plays, and two would be the higher margin lower volume sub-ohm cloud chasers. Folks like the OP who use the same device for years wouldn't make me rich.
Well that's the beauty of vaping,you can do whatever suits you. I largely prefer just buying premade coils and installing them instead of taking time to wick,make coils,install,get the correct ohms etcs.
To me vaping must be as convenient as just opening a pack of smokes and lighting it,i can deal with the maintenance easily and refiling is not hard even on a bottom filled tank (nautilus in my case). Overall i don't see myself ever getting into rebuilding anytime soon,specially since i'm still in the process of stopping the analogs.
A couple of weekends ago I was at a friends 30 year at her position at work party, was at a rented cabin at a nearby camp ground. There was the group of smokers outside, I was the only one vaping, and had to refill my tank. A couple of smokers asked what I was doing, I explained, and their reply was along the lines of that's a pain. More work than pulling out a cig and lighting up. Even refilling a tank/changing cartage's on a cig-a-like is more than many smokers want to do.
I still see them as a majority, us who do for ourselves as a vast minority. Is it easy to do for ourselves, yes, minutes a day at a maximum, but still too much for the masses.
I still see them as a majority, us who do for ourselves as a vast minority. Is it easy to do for ourselves, yes, minutes a day at a maximum, but still too much for the masses.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Time is valuable and if building and caring for all the coil stuff isn't for you, go with factory coils. They're convenient and some are excellent performers (always a few duds along the way, even building yourself that can happen). I would caution that vaping as used for getting off cigs is about your health, not convenience, and spending a little time on it pays off big time in harm reduction.
I build most of my stuff, but still use factory coils for travel and all as it's far more convenient for me to not worry about rewicking in a hotel room. The primary reason I chose to start building, and doing it pretty early in my involvement in vaping, was due to the US deeming regs. I wanted to be sure I could be independent and not rely on factory coils that could theoretically become unavailable due to regulation. If those rules had not been passed, I probably would have stayed with factory coils far longer before dealing with building. The same applies to DIY juice (which, BTW, is very easy, certainly easier than wicking a coil).
Now that I'm doing all the building and mixing I really appreciate how much money I'm saving. But even spending more than I used to on smokes ($13 where I live) would be worth it to stay off cigarettes.
I'm a little confused. I thought the CLR coils were the RBAs for the Ego one? There is an actual rba that is different? I just picked up a Ego one "mini" with the CLR coils, it's a tiny little stealth for work.
The Cubis does indeed suck big time...
..until you realize that the choice of coil is everything. With the MTL 0.6 or 1.0ohm it's a great tank.
With the Clapton (1.5ohm) it is tasteless.
With the DTL coils it becomes an epic milkshake vape of gurgling and vaping doom.
It took me a year to figure this out, by the way. That tank was threatened with total eviction from my vape box more times than I care to remember. I almost needed therapy.
You can make your own coil with the subtank, it has an RBA section. Super easy too.
You need to get a rebuildable RDA, RDTA, or RTA abd learn to build and wick your own coils.
I build to .8 ohms the flavor sweet spot for my DIY juice and vape at 8-10 watts.
I use simple 26 gauge Kanthal round wire builds
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