are E ciggies safe?

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crxess

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Let me just say, everything has to be made of something.
A single ingredient does not have to be BAD to be in something which is BAD for you.

A single Bad ingredient can be in something you would consider good for you. Take a look at most processed foods.


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I have heard so many conflicting stories about weather its safe or not to inhale the vapour released from a electric cigarette.

I have heard that tests have been found to show that there is chemicals found in the electric ciggie which is present in anti-freeze.
I have always thought that nicotine was completely harmless but very addictive.
I'd rather smoke the electric cigarette as long though as its safe to smoke but there's lack of evidence.
If anybody out there has had any side effects or heard anything posior negative about the effects of vapouring then I'd like to know


I was curious in the same way. The research I have found still needs work but there is one thing they can prove. Compared to analogs, e-cigs are much safer! I have had no adverse side effects myself. Some people do have a small allergy to the VG in e-juice I hear but I have not run into anyone that it really bothers. Long story short, the FDA and other people want you to think that it's harmful because they can't regulate it yet. So they can't make money off you. The second it becomes regulated watch as the reports come flooding out about how much safer it is. The unbiased 3rd party studies (who knows if they really are?) I have read say that yes there are chemicals involved in vaping but the amounts are so small that it isn't harmful for now. The only thing we can't tell is if long exposure to vaping will effect people. But there are a million other things that are worse and we still pretend they are okay. You inhale worse chemicals from every day things like car exhaust. So it's really a mute point I believe. Of course this is assuming that the research I have done is in fact accurate, which I am inclined to believe it is. I searched pretty hard.
 

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some new research studies out this year some look stupid some not. some older studies on the prolonged inhalation of PG show no effects at all. there are bad chemicals in vapor but the levels are extremely lower and fewer than regular tobacco im glad i got off the leaf.

mostly being as i was not allowed to quit smoking as my wife says i turn in to a huge ###hole. that and new research shows that nicotine may be a valid treatment for things like ADD

Cut and paste from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8614291

Tobacco smoking has been reported to be associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer, particularly of the lungs. In spite of extensive research on the health effects of tobacco smoking, the substances in tobacco smoke exerting these negative health effects are not completely known. Nicotine is the substance giving the subjective pleasure of smoking as well as inducing addiction. For the first time we report the effect on the rat of long-term (two years) inhalation of nicotine. The rats breathed in a chamber with nicotine at a concentration giving twice the plasma concentration found in heavy smokers. Nicotine was given for 20 h a day, five days a week during a two-year period. We could not find any increase in mortality, in atherosclerosis or frequency of tumors in these rats compared with controls. Particularly, there was no microscopic or macroscopic lung tumors nor any increase in pulmonary neuroendocrine cells. Throughout the study, however, the body weight of the nicotine exposed rats was reduced as compared with controls. In conclusion, our study does not indicate any harmful effect of nicotine when given in its pure form by inhalation.

Loose weight .. BONUS
 
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I have a few "safety questions" related mostly to our equipment and how it interacts with ejuice.

1. What about bpa? Hot pv left in car with juice. Is plastic tank bpa free? Is it leeching bpa or other chemicals into the juice?
2. What chemicals are leeching from the metal into the juice? Like tomato sauce from a metal can?
3. Do we know how ejuice breaks down over time or as a response to temperature?

If anyone knows about this I would love to know but I suspect these are things that will vary by manufacturer and need testing.

Would you mind if these things are "regulated" for safety?

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I had a nice long response that i accidentally deleted but here is the gist for HillBilly ANTZ.

1. Nicotine is not a carcinogen and does not cause cardiovascular disease. It is a stimulant and may stave off Alzheimer's. It is just as safe as caffeine.
2. PG would have to go through a chemical reaction and pick up another carbon atom to become EG. PG is so safe that it is used as a suspension for many medicines including asthma inhalers. It is also used in pretty much every processed food product. If you are alive you should be drinking plenty of water. Not just if vape PG based eliquids.

Get your facts straight and take your scare tactics back to ANTZ HQ. Most of us here on ECF are pretty well informed re: what we are vaping. :vapor:
 

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I can tell you my own side effects, As a result of Vaping, The only side effect's that I have experienced, are / I can breath better, My allergies have practically ceased. I can smell things that I haven't been able to smell since my childhood. I can taste food alot better now. My grand kids will actually hang out in my house now because it doesn't stink of cigarettes. My energy level has increased because I can breath instead of hacking. The only negative side effect I have experienced, Is my mouth used to get really dry when I first started vaping. after my first month or 2 that went away. I still do smoke an occasional tobacco cig. but I havent in awhile. and the more I vape without smoking a real cig. the more they really stink and can't stand the smell of them much anymore.
 

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I have heard so many conflicting stories about weather its safe or not to inhale the vapour released from a electric cigarette.

I have heard that tests have been found to show that there is chemicals found in the electric ciggie which is present in anti-freeze.

This commonly reported by the media, they hold this belief for 2 reasons, one that is false and one that is true:

The false one - The FDA reported having found diethylene glycol in e cigarettes, a poisonous substance that is found in some anti freeze. This as been shown to be false on numerous occasion.

The one that is true: One of electronic cigarette main ingredient is propylene glycol, which is an non toxic anti freeze. It reduces the water freezing point. Salt is another non toxic antifreeze.

Propylene glycol is also used in IV medications to dilute medication that are not soluble in water, and then administered directly in patients blood stream. It is also used in some astma inhaler devices for the same reason and then absorbed by the lungs. It is also used in the show-business industry to create fog effect and thousands of show techs and performers inhale it every night along with the crowds that assist to the event (concert or what not)

The anti freeze argument is a scare tatic that works verywell.
 
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Antifreeze..........the ethylene glycol that used to be in antifreeze and is highly toxic has been replaced in most cases with propylene glycol......because...quote from Wikipedia:

"Propylene glycol, on the other hand, is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. As confirmation of its relative non-toxicity, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, and baked goods."

All I can suggest is...do your research and decide for yourself!
 

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I have heard so many conflicting stories about weather its safe or not to inhale the vapour released from a electric cigarette.

I have heard that tests have been found to show that there is chemicals found in the electric ciggie which is present in anti-freeze.

There's a lot of crap floating around out there about the alleged "dangers" of e-cigs but it's being pushed by people who are... well... they're a curious bunch. While they're rabidly anti-nicotine and tobacco, what happens to their little campaign if smokers switch in large numbers to a safer nicotine delivery system?

Such as in Sweden, the adoption Snus saw a massive drop in lung cancer among men (women didn't adopt Snus for whatever reasons). I mean huge numbers. You would have thought this would have been all over the place, being heralded as a way to save thousands (if not millions) of lives. Instead, the EU banned it.

You tell me what the motivations are.

The "studies" that have detected trace amounts of scary sounding chemicals like to neglect to tell you that the very same chemicals can be found in such things as the nicotine inhaler which is pushed as a "quit smoking" device. They also don't bother to compare amounts found with, oh, you know, cigarettes. Which have formaldehyde, anti-freeze, cyanide, and other serious chemicals in far, far greater amounts. So even if those studies are correct (the few in question are disputed), which is better? Tiny amounts of the chemicals or large amounts?

(I mean, come on... CYANIDE??? I smoked over 30 years and had no idea.)

There is also some "sleight of hand" going on here. Propylene Glycol (PG) which is used to create the vapor in many "e-cigs" (more appropriately "personal vaporizer") actually is an anti-freeze. It's also considered non-toxic and used in such things as asthma inhalers, medicines, consumer products you probably have in your house right now and use all the time.

Saying there's "anti-freeze" in an e-cig is actually pretty silly. Yeah, there is. Duh. PG is an anti-freeze. One that is, mind you, fed to cattle during the winter to protect them from the cold (no, really, it is). Heh, my actual first encounter with PG was when I was trying to set up a solar water heater (ran outta money unfortunately). PG is the fluid you use to do the heat transfer because it's non-toxic and if it leaks into your drinking water, it's not going to hurt you.

The disturbing thing about this is that some people benefit from smokers developing cancer. The treatment of cancer in the US is around a $100 billion per year industry. There's profit to be protected. I've seen European vapers wonder if the tax revenue from tobacco is driving some of the scare tactics about e-cigs. I'm not one for "conspiracy theories" but the truth is, there are incentives to keep smokers right where they are. Sell them "cessation" products we know do not work (the average quit rate is around 6%... that means we're talking a failure rate in 90% territory so you get "repeat business" as smokers try again and again and again then, when they get cancer, you sell cancer treatments... in the mean time, you collect taxes... everybody wins... um... except us).

(And don't get me started about the big tobacco lawsuits in the US. The settlements were in the tens of billions... um... tens of thousands of millions? I forget the difference between the US/UK billion verses trillion thing. Used to know that. Anyway, huge amounts of money. How much went to smokers? Zero dollars and zero cents. I can't tell you where all the money went exactly. I just know those of us actually harmed by tobacco got nothing.)

I have always thought that nicotine was completely harmless but very addictive.

I think the evidence backs you p.

I'd rather smoke the electric cigarette as long though as its safe to smoke but there's lack of evidence.
If anybody out there has had any side effects or heard anything posior negative about the effects of vapouring then I'd like to know

Well, here's the thing. It's safer. "Vaping" (as it's called around here) has only been around about ten years now. Far as long term effects, nobody can tell you. There has not been a "long term" yet.

But other than the nicotine, the ingredients are innocuous things. Such as the flavorings. I'm getting more into doing my own liquid mixes and you know where you get the flavors? Places that sell cooking supplies for baking and candy making. Yeah, you give kids stuff with the flavorings we use in our liquids. The base liquids PG and VG are recognized as "generally safe for humans" by every regulatory body on the planet and used in more products than I could list in a post. PG is widely used in hospitals to deliver medications. Even in vaporized form! It's one way to deliver medication into the lungs. So if it's not safe... what's that about?

No one can promise you vaping is "perfectly safe". What we can tell you is smoking is really bad and vaping is much safer. If you are able to quit nicotine entirely and neither smoke nor vape, great, good for you. But if you're like me and every attempt over the last 30 years has failed, well, now what? Keep smoking?

Vaping is certainly safer than smoking. And studies keep coming out backing that position up. Maybe decades from now, we'll find there are some bad sides to vaping. But I am betting my life (literally) that I have a much, much better chance of finding out what those effects are. At the rate I was going with smoking, I wasn't expecting to be around "decades more" (I'm 51 which isn't that old but I can see "old" from here :) ).
 

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Ban it???? Ban it???? Are you kidding me????

TAX IT, BUD!

Hah! THAT'LL show'em!

But-but-but, it contains... CHEMICALS!

Okay, maybe by prescription only. With rigorous quality controls the pharmaceutical industry is known for. Sure, it'll cost $100 for a small bottle but you'll feel safe in knowing the FDA is overloaded, underfunded, and never checks anything anymore...
 

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People, whom want 100% safe, simply need to quit smoking cold turkey.

And stop driving cars in heavy traffic. And never have a fireplace or a fire pit. Or work in a place that uses paints, adhesives, solvents, cleaners, etc. Or buy new carpet. Oh... and they should move to Montana.

Nothing in this world is 100% safe. We accept a certain level of risk every day when we get in the car and go to work. The FDA accepts a certain level of risk in products it deems safe for human use and consumption.

The question is- is the level of risk low enough to do more good than harm? Answer: yes.
 
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