Are KR808 Cartomizers Safe?

[GtrSoloist]

Greetings all!

I've been planning a purchase of a KR808, ever since I found a knockoff of one at a local gas station.

While perusing the forums however, I've noticed multiple threads that raise some serious red flags about the filler inside the cartomizers burning.

Some of these threads have over a 100 pages.

While I fully intend to read through them, would one of you vets be kind enough to give me a break down on which KR808 carts are safe, or point me in the direction of a similar, *safer* PV?

Thanks in a advance.

 

[mistinthewoods]

Hi Gtr. Yeah, I've seen all those threads too. People are pretty reactionary. Keep the cartos filled and there's not a problem. When the flavor changes it's time to add some juice.
After sucking in all the crap you get from cigarette smoke for all those years I'm not that worried about the filler in the carto. It's not like you're setting fire to it and smoking it.

 

[Automaton]

You pretty much just have to keep them wet. That means don't suck them dry. Yes, I can force a carto to go for 6 hours if I'm willing to deal with the taste, but there's really no need for that.

As soon as you notice any change in taste or vapor (and it will just get slightly less before it gets burnt), top it off. I top mine off every 3 hours or so. I'd call myself a "moderate" vaper.

I actually took one of my cartos apart after getting freaked out by one of those threads. I'd been keeping it wet, like everyone said to. And the filler in there was just fine. No burnt bits.

Unfortunately I threw it away before I read about turning cartos into drippers. Doh!

...But that brings up another point. You can take the filler out of cartos and drip just like you would on a 510... except it lasts way longer. No chance of burnt filter, and you still get the benefits of the Kr8. I plan to try that once I get more cartos. I don't have enough to sacrifice one right now.

 

[oettinger]

Well, in my opinion the filler in a KR8 cartomizer is the came as the white fluff in a 510 cartridge, and the filler in the 510 can burn too, not sure why the 808 gets trash talked about it on this forum. My first 510, I burned the filler in the cart after like 10 drags. At least it takes a lot longer in the KR808's.

 

[Mr.Stick]

It's fine. It is an issue that has been blown out of proportion a number of times, but in reality there is no problem. Keep them wet, and toss them out after a few fills, or if they start to taste funny.

 

[cruz_msl]

I just got my kit and I am just topping them off every once in a while. I'm going to put two or three drops in every few hours and see how long I can make the carts last.

 

[CES]

Don't try to stretch out the lifespan of the cartos too long. A few fills and the coil gets gunked up anyway- even if they don't burn they don't work as well. (YMMV, and others will disagree with me on this)

Keeping them topped off helps, as does using the V4L cool cartos or the vapornine turbo cartos. They're higher resistance so don't get as hot. The juices you use may also make a difference- In my experience the tobacco flavor juices seem to burn out faster than the sweeter ones. Don't know why, or if that's consistent with other's experiences. I can't speak to the effect of fruit flavors ( i don't like them very well so don't use them)

 

[GtrSoloist]

Thanks everyone for the replies and the info. I feel a bit better now, I know some of those posts I was talking about was from over a year ago, so I wasn't sure what the general consensus was now.

I've yet to read about turning the Cart's into drippers MistressNomad. I will have to find those posts.

The reason I like the KR808 (aside from the fact I've used one) is that it's good for when you are out and about because the easy to switch cartomizers and decent battery life.

I figure I will get a different PV at some point for home use, but I haven't been looking into the different models yet as I want to experience a KR8 that is of decent quality for a while and see what I like and don't like.

Thanks again everyone, I really appreciate the help.

 

[DC2]

Wow, bad responses in my opinion.

Overblown? But in reality there is no problem?
Seriously? Wow, just wow.

Smoking burnt polyfill is most likely not good.
And yes, if you have burnt holes in the filler it is burning.
And you are smoking it.

The poster SHOULD be concerned, and that is not an overreaction.
Just keep it wet, as they say, and you'll be fine they say.

That's probably true, so learn how to make sure to keep them wet.

And burning the filler in a cartridge?
That is nearly impossible to do.

Stop trying to defend your precious cartomizers and start trying to make a change.
If you all keep ignoring the obvious, nothing changes.

And yeah, the problem is quite obvious.

 

[BiffRocko]

And burning the filler in a cartridge?
That is nearly impossible to do.

I have to agree with this. I started with 808 cartos and then tried some eGo carts (megas) when I got my Tornado. Carts have way less burnt taste.

Dripping beats them both though. It's always fresh and tasty. Once you learn to tell the point where the bridge is drying up, there's never a burnt taste. I'm not even planning on buying carts to go with my Chuck and 510 attys. I only ordered a drip tip.

 

[cerver7]

IMO, inhaling anything besides oxygen into your lungs COULD cause a problem. There are smokers that have smoked for 50+ years and they have no cancer and die of old age. there are also people that have never smoked and have died of lung cancer.

Smoking a burnt cart filler is not as bad as an analog IMO. But once you taste the burnt taste, switch carts or re-fill......its a simple fix IMO.

 

[DC2]

Dripping beats them both though. It's always fresh and tasty. Once you learn to tell the point where the bridge is drying up, there's never a burnt taste. I'm not even planning on buying carts to go with my Chuck and 510 attys. I only ordered a drip tip.

And when you get a burnt taste using an atomizer, it isn't because you are burning filler material.
And it isn't because you are burning wicking fibers under the bridge.

First of all, the wicking fibers under the bridge do not burn.
No way, no how.

And the filler material can only slightly singe, and only under extreme circumstances.
And even that is not generally regarded as fact.

Burnt taste from an atomizer is from getting too low on juice.
And the burnt taste comes from sucking on baked on gunk on the coil.
Or in very extreme cases, from sucking on baked on gunk in the mesh around the coil.

Neither of these is from burning filler material.

Check out this link for more information on how an atomizer works...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/97014-facts-about-cleaning-atomizers.html

 

[Automaton]

I've yet to read about turning the Cart's into drippers MistressNomad. I will have to find those posts.

Post is here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-nf-carto-mod-kr8-atty-510-vertical-atty.html

Obviously a bit of leaking is a risk, depending on how many drop you use. But people are finding ways around it - use a condom cap if it's in your pocket, use a tiny bit of filler in the bottom, etc.

But I hear it tastes great and lasts for a while. We'll see.

DC2 is right, it is something you should be aware of. It's avoidable with good care, but it's a risk with the heating element set up the way it is.

 

[BiffRocko]

And when you get a burnt taste using an atomizer, it isn't because you are burning filler material.
And it isn't because you are burning wicking fibers under the bridge.

You are correct. In my experience it was easier to get that burnt taste with carts when the filler can't wick fast enough to keep up (even with the blue foam and simple mods). I wasn't getting that "warning: you're juice is low" taste before getting the burnt taste.

That's the main reason I switched to dripping. I haven't got that burnt taste nearly as often since.

 

[DC2]

I've found that I feel a pinch in the back of my throat when I'm sucking a dry atomizer.
And when I feel that pinch I immediately blow out whatever I've sucked in.

Not because it is dangerous, but because I don't want the taste that follows.

 

[portguy]

Not a fan of cartos myself... Not when i discovered that a new cartomizer perfectly wet had holes in the wrapping material around the coil. The polyfill itsel was ok but that wrapping around the coil looked really bad. And comparing how an atomizer works and saying that polyffil from a cart gets the same way is just way too much: the polyfill from a cart won't touch the coil. It touches the bridge and the mesh.

But maybe thats just me.

 

[portguy]

You are correct. In my experience it was easier to get that burnt taste with carts when the filler can't wick fast enough to keep up (even with the blue foam and simple mods). I wasn't getting that "warning: you're juice is low" taste before getting the burnt taste.

That's the main reason I switched to dripping. I haven't got that burnt taste nearly as often since.

Biff: did you try highping's cart mod? It works like this: vapor production decreases hugely before getting a burnt taste whatsoever. When it decreases the cart is just dry.

 

[zbasspro]

Not a fan of cartos myself... Not when i discovered that a new cartomizer perfectly wet had holes in the wrapping material around the coil. The polyfill itsel was ok but that wrapping around the coil looked really bad. And comparing how an atomizer works and saying that polyffil from a cart gets the same way is just way too much: the polyfill from a cart won't touch the coil. It touches the bridge and the mesh.

But maybe thats just me.

Yep. I still use them with caution though. I just see these people cleaning them and using them over and over, which I wouldn`t recommend. I've ordered the C-E2 510s we'll see how they work. I guess I'm skeptical until they really get a good field test, I think they'll have their issues as well. Fingers crossed though, if the coil is as durable as the current ones. repeated usage may not be one of the issues.

 

[BiffRocko]

Biff: did you try highping's cart mod?

Yep, but only with Fluval, not the ploy fill. Don't know if that makes a difference or not.

Either way, I'm happy dripping.

 

[portguy]

Give it a try with the regular polyfill if you happen to have a cart with it.