Are single coils heads being discontinued? On purpose?

[440BB]

As the influx of dual coil clearos continues, it seems most major vendors are converting their entire lines to dual coil. Most of the single coil clearos and tanks don't show up on their corporate product pages at this point. Although dual coil heads may provide a better vape for many users, I strongly suspect that the biggest motivator for manufacturers is increased ongoing sales of heads.

I'm pretty comfortable rebuilding single coil heads, and find it much more difficult to rebuild dual coils. Innokin has even gone to encasing some newer Iclear heads in a metal tube which cannot be removed. T2, Evod, Vivi Nova and CE4 single coil heads are pretty easy to disassemble and rebuild - something that manufacturers realize now is not as profitable.

Needless to say, I'm making sure to have a good stock of single coil heads for my long term rebuilding preference.

 

[devauto]

As the influx of dual coil clearos continues, it seems most major vendors are converting their entire lines to dual coil. Most of the single coil clearos and tanks don't show up on their corporate product pages at this point. Although dual coil heads may provide a better vape for many users, I strongly suspect that the biggest motivator for manufacturers is increased ongoing sales of heads.

I'm pretty comfortable rebuilding single coil heads, and find it much more difficult to rebuild dual coils. Innokin has even gone to encasing some newer Iclear heads in a metal tube which cannot be removed. T2, Evod and CE4 heads are pretty easy to disassemble and rebuild - something that manufacturers realize now is not as profitable.

Needless to say, I'm making sure to have a good stock of single coil heads for my long term rebuilding preference.

So the question is this. Are they reacting to market demand and as a result the single coils are slowly disappearing, OR are they intentionally moving to the dual coils to increase sales for the reasons you mentioned? My money says there is an increasing demand for dual coils and the reduction of single coil products is an artifact of that. I don't think that single coils will go away anytime soon, there are too many already out there for them to just drop the product line.

Either way though, keeping a good stock on hand seems like a very wise idea!

Just my on the subject!

 

[generic mutant]

I suspect the big manufacturers with market power (e.g. Kanger, Innokin...) have a temporary interest in forcing people towards disposables.

But it won't hold. The parts needed to convert the dual coil tanks into single coil rebuildables aren't going to be complicated, and could be made relatively cheaply anywhere, including in the West.

The Chinese don't want us rebuilding their coils, obviously. But if we're going to, they'd prefer us to buy the parts from them.

-ETA: a sort of example might be Genisis atomisers, which were developed in Germany, I believe. I doubt they ate into the market for Chinese disposables by a massive amount at that stage, but they probably did (rather than merely attracting new vapers). The Chinese response? Make Gennies, cheaply, of course...

 

[OldSeer]

Have to look around for it... But, as Phil B... says in one of his recent videos about the IClear 30s
we vapors have been lucky to a point... in as much as the ability to rebuild coils
aka heads... has been made available to us... AND IT WAS NEVER meant to be....

And... as he sees it happening in the NEAR FUTURE... it is coming to and END.
The wicks and coils are about to be incased where the can't be worked on.

 

[Myrany]

People laughed at me when I suggested to new vapers to hold onto their spent coil heads in case they ever decided to rebuild or the manufacturer stopped making the model.

The thing is I am not sure this is going to accomplish what the companies are trying to do. I can see people who rebuild protank heads moving on to actual RBA and RBD devices rather than going back to disposable vaping.

 

[440BB]

I can see people who rebuild protank heads moving on to actual RBA and RBD devices rather than going back to disposable vaping.

It's ironic that many who now are using rebuildables honed their skills on these heads. I'm glad Vision, Smok and Kanger opened Pandora's Box for vapers who like to fiddle with stuff!

 

[Myrany]

It's ironic that many who now are using rebuildables honed their skills on these heads. I'm glad Vision, Smok and Kanger opened Pandora's Box for vapers who like to fiddle with stuff!

Oh I agree the single coil protank heads were a great learning tool for me.

I guess my point was more along the line of those willing to do the disposable thing will keep doing it. Those not willing to will move on to other things. So I kinda wonder if they(Kanger) are not shooting themselves in the foot.

Another thing on the marketing side. Don't dual coils burn up alot more juice from batterys? Will these things even run on the EVOD battery kanger sells? Won't faster power use from the battery lead to more charge cycles in less time and a dead EVOD battery all the sooner? Sounds paranoid I know but I can seriously see some management guy coming up with a plot like that.

 

[second2none]

Imho, they should concentrate on making a tank that really works consistently , I know i'm strongly considering a switch to Carto's and I bet i'm far from alone on this.

 

[Myrany]

Imho, they should concentrate on making a tank that really works consistently , I know i'm strongly considering a switch to Carto's and I bet i'm far from alone on this.

Carto tanks are a great thing though unless you are willing to go for something like the diver you are still at the mercy of a disposable part that can be of inconsistent quality (the carto).

 

[mobocracy]

So the question is this. Are they reacting to market demand and as a result the single coils are slowly disappearing, OR are they intentionally moving to the dual coils to increase sales for the reasons you mentioned? My money says there is an increasing demand for dual coils and the reduction of single coil products is an artifact of that. I don't think that single coils will go away anytime soon, there are too many already out there for them to just drop the product line.

My guess is they really don't care about people who rebuild and are simply reacting to increased demand for dual coil devices. There's a pretty small number of people willing to rebuild $3 atomizer heads and as e-cigarettes grow in popularity, as a proportion, those people will be an even smaller part of the market.

And as vaporizing devices get more sophisticated, there will be less of a reason to replace them, too.

It's like that in many industries. Intel will still sell you a motherboard and processor for you to build your own computer, but for most people, they'd rather Dell sell them a complete solution.

 

[wonner]

No retailer wants a one time buyer. It is all about consumables.

A retailer selling you a high quality mod and a genny knows he probably won't see you for quite awhile.

 

[440BB]

Another thing on the marketing side. Don't dual coils burn up alot more juice from batterys? Will these things even run on the EVOD battery kanger sells? Won't faster power use from the battery lead to more charge cycles in less time and a dead EVOD battery all the sooner? Sounds paranoid I know but I can seriously see some management guy coming up with a plot like that.

If I was trying to increase revenue over time, that's what I would do too. Definitely faster juice consumption and more frequent recharging in my experience with dual coils. Give the masses cigalikes and basic Ego clearo kits, then make dual coils the only step up and reap the rewards. Most vapers are going to just buy what's on the shelf and toss it when the taste or vapor goes south.

I'm glad this became a hobby for me while we bask in the Golden Age of vaping!

 

[Wow1420]

Compare clearo heads to the situation with cartomizers, it's hard to find single coil punched cartos at many shops, all they seem to have are the dual coil ones. Sinngle or dual, cartos aren't re-buildable, so I suspect selection is mostly driven by demand.

Still, if dual coils are the way everything is heading, I feel I like taking advantage of some Christmas sales to stock up on coil heads for the devices I already own. I can rebuild them, but I don't feel like the rubber bits are going to last very many re-build cycles (and I can get lazy about re-building at times).


BTW, wonner, I like your signature!

 

[Myrany]

Compare clearo heads to the situation with cartomizers, it's hard to find single coil punched cartos at many shops, all they seem to have are the dual coil ones. Sinngle or dual, cartos aren't re-buildable, so I suspect selection is mostly driven by demand.

Still, if dual coils are the way everything is heading, I feel I like taking advantage of some Christmas sales to stock up on coil heads for the devices I already own. I can rebuild them, but I don't feel like the rubber bits are going to last very many re-build cycles (and I can get lazy about re-building at times).


BTW, wonner, I like your signature!

I've reached the point now where when my clearos die or the heads are no longer rebuildable I am just done with clearos. I can be a totally happy vaper with rebuildable dripper be it the IGO-Ls or my REO/RM2 setup.

I have enough coils for the few clearos I have to keep going quite a long time. Some are on their 10th or more rebuild and still going strong. I figure the clearo itself will give up the ghost long before the heads do.

 

[floofgoofer]

Dual coil clearomizer evolution is performing better and better IMO, so it's ok with me if I did not have to rebuild them!

 

[Myrany]

Dual coil clearomizer evolution is performing better and better IMO, so it's ok with me if I did not have to rebuild them!

The only reason it bothers me and why I went into actual RBAs and RDAs in the first place is the nearest brick and mortar that carrys anything worth mucking with is a 150 mile roundtrip drive.

I see 2 places the FDA can kick us with its rulings.
1. nic juice
2. killing internet sales

I refuse to give up the lifesaving thing called vaping because my government are idiots on this one.

 

[bikerbeagle]

So the question is this. Are they reacting to market demand and as a result the single coils are slowly disappearing, OR are they intentionally moving to the dual coils to increase sales for the reasons you mentioned?

As a B&M owner, 90% of my customers don't have a clue what the difference is between a single- and a dual-coil is and aren't even remotely interested in rebuilding single-coil protank heads ...so, from that perspective alone, I would lean towards the industry "intentionally moving to bottom dual-coils to increase sales" theory. I do not know what the manufacturing cost difference is for single vs dual-coils, but at wholesale, DCs bring in about 40% more sales.

 

[Steamix]

Any atty that's sealed or not rebuildable ( even those that weren't originally designed for rebuilding ) won't make it into my shopping cart.

I know, coil heads can be bought for a pittance in China, but as long as vaping is in a kind of legal limbo I prefer something that I can tweak for additional 'mileage'. Cuz' supply lines might dry up quickly as I have more faith in a three-dollar-bill than in certain governments.

Sure, factor in the time I spend twiddling with wicks and wires, and rebuilding comes out second-best. But then again, like for so many fellow vapers it has become a hobby too...

 

[mavric]

"Dual-coil" is a cooler sounding sales pitch.

 

[jclay1192]

im using a single coil on my igo w ;3?