Are the more expensive ejuices worth the price?

[MsComptrtchr]

JJOOHHNN - if you have the money, who cares, right? Wait til you get it, try the flavors, even let them steep (a lot of MBV needs steeping). If you really can't stand them, get verified (do it now anyways) and trade/sell them on the classies, even at a loss, it can't hurt.

People's tastes are SO subjective - what is gold elixer from some is junk for others. Just like $20 bucks to some is $100 to others (I have found people on this forum who will drop HUNDREDs on juices all the time.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I want to give Mt Baker a fair shot. There are some juices I have bought that when new I hated and after they steeped they were good.

I have plenty of juice here right now so plenty of time to steep. Being that I know nothing about Mt Baker except for what I read out here I wonder if a fair test is to steep for a month before trying.

Will most of these juices be steeped enough in a month?

I want to sort though if the juice is being unfairly put down by some people because of it's lower price point by some and if it is elevated to high because of its price point. I do think the market should have many price points but it is nice to know what you are getting at these price points. If it is as good as the expensive stuff that is fantastic.

McDonald's should exist as well as Outback if people want the product. This industry is new enough where things have not settled out. Maybe MBV is an Outback that is right priced and the others are too expensive or maybe MBV is McDonald's and is right priced and some of the other makers are Outback Steak house.

By the nature of forums it is hard to tell until it is tried.

 

[shatner]

Wow, Jimmies are getting rustled in here.

If you like it, who cares what it cost? Personally, I'll try whatever. Some expensive liquids are worth it, to me, some aren't.

But for real, The Standard Cell Block 4 is great!

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I dont think there is a way to objectively judge how good something tastes. Definitely able to judge what ingredients go in the juice and whether they're of greater or lesser quality, which would assumedly come through in the quality of the vape, but...some people think Big Macs are absolutely horrid and hardly could be considered a food item, some people would find a 1 dollar big mac a great deal. I dont know if a chain restaurant like Outback that serves frozen and pre-packaged foods should be considered the other end of the spectrum as far a quality in dining, but lol MBV isnt poor because its inexpensive, its poor because its disgusting to vape. People arent saying thier juice is bad because its cheap when really it tastes and vapes awesome, it really is terrible. The fact that, at best, people are saying its good or okay should tell you something. Hardly anybody is raving about thier juice. There's a reason its so cheap and other companies charge so much more as a general rule I would assume. I can't see why a company would sell an inferior product as a price point so much farther above thier competition so as to limit thier own ability to compete. It just wouldnt make sense. Im not saying it doesnt happen sometimes, or to some degree, but by and large I think companies are charging somewhere around what will pay the bills and turn a bit of profit. If you want to get rich youre not gonna be making e juice Im guessing.

I mean I know people that rant and rave about how good a new flavor of chips or soda or candy bar is. I havent and will never see a chip that could be compared to a well prepared meal made with fresh ingredients and foods. Same way MBV or Dekang could not be compared with companies like HHV or AiV whether you like their juice or not, its just not of that quality.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Wow, Jimmies are getting rustled in here.

If you like it, who cares what it cost? Personally, I'll try whatever. Some expensive liquids are worth it, to me, some aren't.

But for real, The Standard Cell Block 4 is great!

That is not it. I don't care what it costs, I hate waste. I also cannot tell if people are being objective or not. I cannot tell how much price is a part of the evaluation by others. Some people like cheap things because they are cheap. Some can judge things for what they are without price being a factor. I don't know who is doing what.

 

[MsComptrtchr]

People arent saying thier juice is bad because its cheap when really it tastes and vapes awesome, it really is terrible. The fact that, at best, people are saying its good or okay should tell you something. Hardly anybody is raving about thier juice.

Same way MBV or Dekang could not be compared with companies like HHV or AiV whether you like their juice or not, its just not of that quality.

Say it, Rinse, Repeat - Taste is subjective.

Saying that MBV juice is "disgusting" is an opinion, not a fact. So, should everyone stop buying Ahlusion because I say it's boring and underwhelming? I've read people say that Five Pawns is overpriced and not very good, had I listened to them, I would have missed out on my ADV.

Altaire - I seem to recall in another thread, you referring to AiV's White Rabbit as "old lady perfume" and now you're saying it's a quality juice?

Until there is an actual SCIENTIFIC STUDY that proves what "that quality of a juice" is, I say, let people decide for themselves. There are plenty of people on this forum who are statisfied, if not in love with MBV and that's OK. They aren't any more "sheeple" (as inferred) than the AVE fanboys.

 

[chellemmm]

John: I think it is really up to you regarding MBV. Some people totally LOVE them. There is a HUGE thread that raves about them. If you want to spend $100 to try different flavors of MBV, I don't think that is a waste. At the very least, if you find you don't like some flavors, you can PIF to someone who cannot afford any juice. That is "worth" something!

I think you will find some things you will like in that juice order, and some things you do not care for. This is chance we all take when we order something from verbal descriptions of others.

I used to like certain vendors, now my taste has changed. I like my DIY stuff much better than any other vendor's blend, and more so because *I* made it! I don't like anything that reminds me of tobacco, so I can make fruity/sweet stuff very easily and have it taste awesome. That being said, I have had to pour out some stuff that I thought would be great, in reality--not so much.

I have spent a LOT of money on "quality juice vendors" and mid-priced vendors. Tried 100% VG, because I thought it would be better for me, etc. I can't stand 100% VG anymore, my lungs feel coated with film after I vape it. The point is, YMMV! I don't think anything I bought or attempted to make was a waste, because it increased my personal knowledge. (With the exception of some NASTY JC Espresso---THAT was a waste!)

 

[Johnny Vonce]

It all depends on what you enjoy. I usually try to buy in the 5-8 dollar range. If you find a good sample pack you save some money.

 

[sansman8650]

Love Halo. Tested 17 different flavors. Chose 12 to keep in my rotation. Other brands are OK, but will always have Halo close at hand.

 

[BigSteve940]

Mountain Oak Vapor IS WORTH IT, I have had 5 of there E-liquids and they where all great, "The Standard" is the most expensive E-liquid on the market that I have found, so I wondered the same thing and bought it, it was not worth it.

 

[sansman8650]

Just my personal taste. Some people love the fruity flavors, some love the sweet flavors. I love the flavored tobaccos, coffees and menthols. Just ME.

 

[OhaiKrikket]

lol MBV isnt poor because its inexpensive, its poor because its disgusting to vape. People arent saying thier juice is bad because its cheap when really it tastes and vapes awesome, it really is terrible. The fact that, at best, people are saying its good or okay should tell you something. Hardly anybody is raving about thier juice. There's a reason its so cheap and other companies charge so much more as a general rule I would assume.

Just because you don't see people RAVING about MBV in this thread doesn't mean that they're not doing it. They're just not doing it here.

MBV has a dedicated following of people who really enjoy their juice AND their prices.

You're not one of those people, and that's fine. But don't try to speak for everyone.

Personally, I have not tried too many different brands at this point, and price NEEDS to be a consideration for me. I didn't spend a lot of money on smoking, and I cannot afford to spend tons of money on vaping either - certainly not in the range of paying $30 for a single bottle of juice I may find to be unvapeable. However, I prefer the majority of juices I got from MBV over the Halo stuff I ordered when I got my starter kit, and I like most just as well if not better than the flavors I tried at my not-so-local B&M store that are mixed in house. The only reason I am starting to branch out and try other companies has nothing to do with being unhappy with the quality of their juice or flavors, but because there are vendors offering flavors that intrigue me that MBV doesn't.

I've taken to looking at juice the way I look at coffee. Most of the time, I am perfectly satisfied with the cup of coffee I brew at home. I've on occasion bought more expensive gourmet coffee to make at home, and I've enjoyed that as well. And, on a few occasions, I've had crazy expensive absolutely delectable coffee. But the fact that Starbucks charges ridiculous prices doesn't make their coffee any good (to me), so I choose not to get coffee there, but I still wouldn't buy their coffee if they sold it for $0.50 a cup.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

Altaire - I seem to recall in another thread, you referring to AiV's White Rabbit as "old lady perfume" and now you're saying it's a quality juice?

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Hold up!!! I said it reminded me of an old ladys house or something, but then I said I was buying more. That was at about a week and a half of steeping. Now going on 3 weeks, it tastes completely different, those wierd flavors completely went away and it tastes exactly like a fresh carrot cake. Its probably my favorite juice right now. Im ordering more wednesday, mmmmmmm now I want some carrot cake

 

[orson]

Alrighty, I only made it through 8 pages, so some of my points may have already been addressed by others, but as a small business person myself this thread touched a nerve for me, so here's my take on this....

Juice prices in general seem to me to have come down over time, it used to cost more to get quality US mixed juices than it does now. I'm basing that on the assumption that the companies I haven't tried that are purported to mix quality juices do so, as I have largely stuck with the vendors I found many moons ago that made flavors I like.

There's a portion of the vaping community that's constantly bemoaning the lack of quality control and transparency in juice vendors out of one side of their mouth and then .....ing about anything over so much per ml out of the other side of their mouth.

In the meantime juice companies have invested an incredible amount of time and effort, not to mention significant and ongoing financial investments into starting a company that could be flushed down the toilet by the FDA at any given moment.

And yes, even a juice with high quality ingredients can surely be mixed for 12 cents a ml or whatever random amount someone else noted, but it never seems to occur to some people that the labor to make that juice must surely be paid for. Not to mention the time spent sourcing the ingredients, researching them for potentially harmful ingredients, receiving them and stocking them into an aseptic environment, testing nic level of the bases, creating and implementing quality control systems, printing and labeling bottles, printing invoices and packing slips, packing orders, keeping accurate records including accounting..... Those are just some things off the top of my head.

And we didn't even get into the facility, facility maintenance, equipment (have you ever looked at the price of lab equipment?), insurance....again just scratching the surface of the list of overhead costs.

Not to mention I think we can probably all agree it would be great if more companies got labs to at least occasionally test their finished products, and I can't imagine that's cheap.

And of course, heaven forbid there be some net profit nestled in there somewhere for all that hard work and risk.

I can only assume that the companies charging 50 cents a ml or less are operating on such a scale and have found such efficient ways to do things that they are indeed doing the things that most seem to want: operating a juice making lab with aseptic conditions to make juices that are as safe as possible. On the other hand, as just a small business person imagining what it must take to do that I find it difficult to conceive of how they're accomplishing that.

And just on a completely anecdotal note it boggles my mind that some people who used to spend $5 a pack and up on cigs will piss and moan about an $18 30 ml bottle of juice.

 

[Fizzpop]

lol MBV isnt poor because its inexpensive, its poor because its disgusting to vape. People arent saying thier juice is bad because its cheap when really it tastes and vapes awesome, it really is terrible. The fact that, at best, people are saying its good or okay should tell you something. Hardly anybody is raving about thier juice. There's a reason its so cheap and other companies charge so much more as a general rule I would assume.

Actually, there are a number of MBV juices I think are awesome. It should be noted that at this very moment I am vaping AiV's White Rabbit (apparently your current favorite) and it too, is very good. I don't know why MBV is inexpensive, but just because something is expensive, doesn't mean it is good and likewise, just because something is reasonably priced doesn't mean it is inferior. MBV is quick and responsive and from my experience, a great company.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

Just because you don't see people RAVING about MBV in this thread doesn't mean that they're not doing it. They're just not doing it here.

MBV has a dedicated following of people who really enjoy their juice AND their prices.

You're not one of those people, and that's fine. But don't try to speak for everyone.

Personally, I have not tried too many different brands at this point, and price NEEDS to be a consideration for me. I didn't spend a lot of money on smoking, and I cannot afford to spend tons of money on vaping either - certainly not in the range of paying $30 for a single bottle of juice I may find to be unvapeable. However, I prefer the majority of juices I got from MBV over the Halo stuff I ordered when I got my starter kit, and I like most just as well if not better than the flavors I tried at my not-so-local B&M store that are mixed in house. The only reason I am starting to branch out and try other companies has nothing to do with being unhappy with the quality of their juice or flavors, but because there are vendors offering flavors that intrigue me that MBV doesn't.

I've taken to looking at juice the way I look at coffee. Most of the time, I am perfectly satisfied with the cup of coffee I brew at home. I've on occasion bought more expensive gourmet coffee to make at home, and I've enjoyed that as well. And, on a few occasions, I've had crazy expensive absolutely delectable coffee. But the fact that Starbucks charges ridiculous prices doesn't make their coffee any good (to me), so I choose not to get coffee there, but I still wouldn't buy their coffee if they sold it for $0.50 a cup.

But are they raving about how great the juice is, or are they raving about how good the juice is for $10 for 50ml juice? Because value always seems to be a big part of the equation for people who buy from them

Im not saying its bad because its cheap, I dont buy juice only if they company charges higher prices, but out of the companies ive tried, the more expensive ones were consistent, the cheaper ones had ok juices and some I havent liked, and some companies, like MBV, were absolutely horrible across the board.

What does it say when a company has you make your own juice? I mean Ponderosa gives you a plate and shows you the bar and says have at it and you get what you pay for. Youre not going to go to a quality establishment where the waiter hands you a plate and tells you bon appetit, and that for a reason.

I dont even know if Ponderosa even still exists, but...you get my point lol

 

[OhaiKrikket]

But are they raving about how great the juice is, or are they raving about how good the juice is for $10 for 50ml juice? Because value always seems to be a big part of the equation for people who buy from them.

Hey, I'm happy for you that you're in a place in your life where you can disregard VALUE as part of any consumable product. I am not. Many other folks are not. We need to factor in value. And if, in our experiences, the VALUE is better while other factors are comparable, well, I don't understand why that's an issue.

I also understand that your MBV experience was not good, and that you may want to convey this to others who are still making up their minds. What I don't understand is the vibe I get from your posts that feels like "I didn't like this, and if you do, you're WRONG".

What does it say when a company has you make your own juice? I mean Ponderosa gives you a plate and shows you the bar and says have at it and you get what you pay for. Youre not going to go to a quality establishment where the waiter hands you a plate and tells you bon appetit, and that for a reason. I dont even know if Ponderosa even still exists, but...you get my point lol

See, now I'm one of those folks who'll choose a salad bar over a pre-made salad any day. I love the fact that not only does MBV offer HUNDREDS of choices, they're also willing to say "Hey, there may be something great you can mix up here that we haven't thought of! Give it a try!" What I didn't see is anywhere that they said "Hey, pick some flavors. We'll make some juice out of them. We're too lazy to come up with anything on our own." They give you PLENTY of opportunities to order "off the menu" so to speak. There are a lot of one-note flavors, and there are a lot of blended flavors. There's a place for those who know what they want to CREATE an entree if they so desire.

I don't understand when choice became a bad thing.

 

[orson]

Hey, I'm happy for you that you're in a place in your life where you can disregard VALUE as part of any consumable product. I am not. Many other folks are not. We need to factor in value. And if, in our experiences, the VALUE is better while other factors are comparable, well, I don't understand why that's an issue.

"Value" is highly subjective. Everyone has their own set of criteria for a given product to establish what constitutes value in the product. For some it has to be low cost, for others it has to be packaged a certain way, shipped fast, free of a diacetyl, taste a certain way, so on and so forth.

I'm not criticizing your point, I just think perhaps you meant to say "cost" as opposed to "value".

 

[stevegmu]

There is a store that sells inexpensive juice that I absolutely love. Alice In Vapeland. Their use of natural ingredients, taste, presentation, vapor production and their ideal mix of PG/VG really set them apart in the sweet/flavorful juice market. I think they would be a bargain at twice the price- actually wish they would charge more, so I could place an order more than once a week in a couple hour period. They stop taking orders once they reach capacity.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

Hey, I'm happy for you that you're in a place in your life where you can disregard VALUE as part of any consumable product. I am not. Many other folks are not. We need to factor in value. And if, in our experiences, the VALUE is better while other factors are comparable, well, I don't understand why that's an issue.

I also understand that your MBV experience was not good, and that you may want to convey this to others who are still making up their minds. What I don't understand is the vibe I get from your posts that feels like "I didn't like this, and if you do, you're WRONG".





See, now I'm one of those folks who'll choose a salad bar over a pre-made salad any day. I love the fact that not only does MBV offer HUNDREDS of choices, they're also willing to say "Hey, there may be something great you can mix up here that we haven't thought of! Give it a try!" What I didn't see is anywhere that they said "Hey, pick some flavors. We'll make some juice out of them. We're too lazy to come up with anything on our own." They give you PLENTY of opportunities to order "off the menu" so to speak. There are a lot of one-note flavors, and there are a lot of blended flavors. There's a place for those who know what they want to CREATE an entree if they so desire.

I don't understand when choice became a bad thing.

Im not rich, but I mean Im comfortable enough to buy what I want, and assuming almost all of us are coming from being addicted to smoking, I smoked a pack a day, maybe more, cigarettes are 7 bux and some change here, which put my monthly expenditure somewhere around 250$...I dont spend maore than maybe 30 bux a month on juices and I still have way more juice left than Ive vaped. So unless I start spending 250 a month Im still saving. Even if you smoked a third of that and bought twice as many juices youd STILL be saving money, so the cost thing I dont really get...

Im not saying people are wrong for liking MBV and Im right when I say I dont like them! Im just saying people aren't right if they like MBV and Im never wrong

And about the flavor boosts and DIY mixes and all that, ok, if you make quality product, you should already have spent your time researching making that product correctly to the best of your ability. I wouldn't go to the Whitney and order beef wellington and then ask if the chef can put scallops and hollandaise sauce on it or something. Thats his job, and thats part of what Im paying him to do, if hes not doing it right already, Im not going there. I mean if go out on a date at a nice restaurant and the chick orders a meal and then says "no this that this that this that" or order like a greek salad and ask for ranch dressing its super embarassing. Big strike one. Does that make sense? Maybe Im just a snobby ....... lol