Are there any craftsmen out there?

[mistinthewoods]

This debate over the "racial" meaning of the statue is stupid. Yeah, so what, Sambos were designed, manufactured and sold with an underlying racial meaning.

You'll see the "jockey" statue on lawns today. You know, the one where the figure is dressed in a horse jockey uniform with one arm outstretched, holding a large ring. Yeah, that one! You know those were originally black faced? You know it was styled after the era when a slave owner would put one of his slaves out in front of his manor holding a ring for guests to tie their horse to? After everybody got all racially over sensitive, the faces got painted white. Now, as a white man, am I to feel insulted?? Oh, hell no! That'd be just silly.

Now get down off the soapbox, people. If you feel insulted by the pic in the OP, deal with it like you have been since you took up your race card. Run your mouth (or fingers across the keyboard if you will) all you want, but my Grandparents had Sambos. My Mom and Dad have Sambos, I have Sambos. We all know the underlying "meaning". We all still display the Sambos in 2011. If you think I'm racist, so be it. I've shared the company of all races at some point without animosity.

Here's a hanky if you feel like crying about what I've said...

I hate alot of people, and it's not because of their color. It's because they're stupid.

Alrighty then, *jumps back up on soapbox*
Let me explain this concept to you good folks. You and I would not be offended by a white faced lawn jockey because our ancestors were never forced to stand out in front of a plantation house with a ring in our hand for the superior people to hitch their horses to. That's why the lawn jockeys were painted white. Get it? The reasons that the sambo figurines are offensive is because they are caricatures designed to be a white racist's idea of what a black child looks like. They employ every racial stereotype that the creator could think of. They are depicted more as a cute animal than a human child. They are designed to depict a race of people and to make them seem less than human and therefor easier to see as inferior.
If all art makes a statement, the statement the creator of the sambos was making was "See? We like black folks. We think y'all make nice pets."
When I first typed that last statement I thought that maybe I was over stating my point. Then I went back and looked at the figurine again........ nope. I nailed it.
I'm a white country boy myself. I live in the freakin' woods up here in Michigan. My Mother's family is in Tennessee, deep in Appalachia, sorta towards Chattanooga. You know where Sody-Daisy is Dougie? Near there. I'm not insulated from this mindset. You can put a big lipped toothy grin on it but it's still what it is.

 

[AlmightyGod]

Alrighty then, *jumps back up on soapbox*
Let me explain this concept to you good folks. You and I would not be offended by a white faced lawn jockey because our ancestors were never forced to stand out in front of a plantation house with a ring in our hand for the superior people to hitch their horses to. That's why the lawn jockeys were painted white. Get it? The reasons that the sambo figurines are offensive is because they are caricatures designed to be a white racist's idea of what a black child looks like. They employ every racial stereotype that the creator could think of. They are depicted more as a cute animal than a human child. They are designed to depict a race of people and to make them seem less than human and therefor easier to see as inferior.
If all art makes a statement, the statement the creator of the sambos was making was "See? We like black folks. We think y'all make nice pets."
When I first typed that last statement I thought that maybe I was over stating my point. Then I went back and looked at the figurine again........ nope. I nailed it.
I'm a white country boy myself. I live in the freakin' woods up here in Michigan. My Mother's family is in Tennessee, deep in Appalachia, sorta towards Chattanooga. You know where Sody-Daisy is Dougie? Near there. I'm not insulated from this mindset. You can put a big lipped toothy grin on it but it's still what it is.

I was sort of in agreement with your sentiment, until you typed the last sentence.

Why not let the guy see if someone is willing to build what he wants?
If it isn't a project anyone wants to do, then so be it.
If you are concerned that this request violates the rules of the ECF, then report it.

 

[thegrindre]

OK, folks. If you removed the watermelon and replaced it with sticks of wood and made two upturned hands to hold my M401 PV, would that make you feel any better? My gosh! Get real! Get over it!!! Grow up!!! It's 2011 already. The war is over!!!
Geeze!!!

 

[ejoker]

ok, let's knock off the race discussion here. you want to discuss racism, take it to the outside. keep this thread on topic.

 

[theoneuafter]

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[cozzicon]

What ejoker said.

 

[theoneuafter]

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[thegrindre]

How about a little help, here. Is anyone making PV holders???
I'm using my clean ashtrays as it is but, would want to replace those with something that goes with vaping, now.

Thanks,

 

[FreakyStylie]

Ok, let's try this.

Ok, I give up.
There is a pic titled"My desk caddy", in the General E-Smoking Discussion forum.

Here . . . made it work for you. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-accessories-discussion/184886-my-desk-caddy.html

Don't worry . . . it will just take a little time to figure out what goes where. Nice BTW.

Now that I've done that . . . without reading any more in the thread . . . I am sure that there is quite the storm between the post I just replied to, and my post.

Hi all,
Now that I'm completely hooked on vaping, I'm looking for an 'ashtray' to hold my PV.

One design I'd like to have would be a 'Black Sambo' type of character that looks like he's carrying sticks of wood across his out stretched arms but, in his up turned hands, he would be holding my PV, too.

The "Sambo" stuff is derogatory for sure. There is an element of collectability to it because it represents the history of an era that used to treat black people as not human.

I'll approach it as though you're looking for the functionality or method of the holder (type of character), and say that there are little figures that you can get that will hold your PV, or even carry them in a basket on their backs. They have that new, rounded stick-figure look to them. Here is an example. 510 Little Man Holder (Wow! Maybe this one is racist too . . . the stick-figure is black.)

If you're looking for a Sambo-specific style, well . . . I doubt that type of attitude is being openly created anymore, but I'll try and stick with the idea that you are looking for the functionality.

 

[aziffel]

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[thegrindre]

Now we're talking turkey. I like the little 'black' guy. Am I bad for saying that?
I also like the flat wood block types too.
Who's making this stuff and where can I get it? (Aside from the little 'black' guy, that it.)
Thanks for that link, BTW.

I believe the creator of, My Caddy, isn't interested in making anymore, or so he's said.

I hope I haven't stepped on anybodies toes with this post...

 

[oplholik]

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Nice! And does the job so well.

 

[Ace6607]

Google Knife display stand..... Maybe you will see one you like to hold your pv's.

or

ELEGANT BLACK WOOD KNIFE SWORD DAGGER DISPLAY STAND on eBay!

 

[FantWriter]

I don't know if it fits your style, but I made some ashtray-alternatives with stuff I picked up at Wal-Mart:
http://www.user29344qw.jymes.com/images/PVholders001.jpg

 

[OMG!]

This thread is completely freaking me out. You mean people actually put their PV down???

 

[thegrindre]

Thanks, guys. These are some very good ideas.
I like the knife rack idea.
What are those WalMart things? I can't seem to put a finger on the part(s).

 

[strprswpr]

I have something in the works right now. Gimme a couple of days and I'll post the prototype. The only thing is that if you guys want me to make them every single one will have to be custom made depending on the size on the PV.

 

[thegrindre]

Not sure of your design but, if your holding cups were upturned, they could be universal, so to speak. One size fits all.

 

[oplholik]

This thread is completely freaking me out. You mean people actually put their PV down???

Well, like it or not, sometimes you just gotta put it down for a bit.

 

[oplholik]

I have something in the works right now. Gimme a couple of days and I'll post the prototype. The only thing is that if you guys want me to make them every single one will have to be custom made depending on the size on the PV.

Awright! Looking forward to see what you come with.