STILL no answer to my PM or post..
well I did some research for myself!
Well the OP was talking about the VK and KR808D-1 over another
supplier and the claims of V4L improvements were questioned i.e. cart
improvements and battery improvements...
So now it isn't a battery only or a cart only thread
and to answer your question about the batteries I can say NO V4L isn't the first
one to COME UP with the manual battery and the xtra long battery
model...china is....NOW I can't make any claims as to who was the first to offer
it....V4L maybe the first to advertise these to resell...but really does first qualify
as an improvement.. because maybe V4L was the first to have that particular
shipment released from customs.
So this really all started, not to say that VK is bad nor to question the claim of
his customer service, but to have claims of "improvements" backed with
evidence. I am saying either do more research or don't make such concrete
claims....
I am only explaining the topic not saying that you made the claim, but you did
respond directly to me so I felt obligated to answer.
NOW hehe GOOD DAY to THAT hehe
Yeah.. why not say AT VK first??? that would have been the truth.
Sorry guys I am with Ducky here!
I got IGNORED in previous threads asking the difference. I didnt want to buy
"AN IMPROVEMENT" if there wasnt one!
I did as you asked JENJEN (I really love ya but...) and PM'd Steve and said I
wanted to buy but wanted to know what the improvements were and how the
carts are different.. and a few other?'s
Guess what?? NO REPLY! What SHOULD that say to me??
And do NOT tell me that (using as an example) Yeti ar anyone else can get 510
carts made better from one supplier to the next and "yeti" can ask for
improvements and have them made specifically for them..(and no one else)
that is BS!
Then go manufacturer one yourself and call it "the chuck" "the Silver
Bullet..etc!
I am glad the other Vendor mentioned in the thread waited because apparently
there are issues with
the new cart flavors, manual battery and extra long
.. he waited and tested and he has them NOW after they were getting
stuck..and after a bad batch he tested and now has them on order (carts).. so
maybe he WAS the one to make the improvements?? please.. there were
obviously mistakes by vendor and because
Steve ordered first he found out
first.
The other Vendor just wont have to send anything back to customers or have
to send shipments back to vendor.
Steve are all the "new improved with
issues" still for sale? When the other vendor had 5 complaints (about
another cart) he pulled his ENTIRE STOCK! (not worried about losing sales)
HE DID the right thing!
Why couldn't you answer me about how your battery is different than the
KR808? KR808 long?
Some one else mentioned the "new 4 hole battery" and you
sending one 4
hole and one 2 hole with a (newbie.. a NEWBIE.. lol didnt think he would
notice..)order... which is the new?? I think anyone on here long enough
knows the answer to that and this is the reason some carts arent fitting
properly on "your new improved batteries!!!" ummm OLD carts..and
batteries...And your answer was 2 holes 3 holes 4 holes.. take long slow
drags... come on people
wake up!!
I do NOT care there are different vendors BUT making hype that yours are
better.. they are from the SAME factory and filled by the SAME people.
And when he says look at the cart date.. you can see if they were old..
in
anther thread he stated it didn't matter because carts were filled and made
at different times .. which is it?
So, the thrust of your argument in saying that VK has improved on
this original model is that Steve is a liar when he says he's done improvements
on this product? Or what?
China made improvements! NOT Steve's China
China will not improve upon a thing if they are selling what they
already have just fine. It takes a vendor to send them specs on what they want
to improve upon and they act accordingly. The vendor receives samples with
the changes, approves it and only then the factory makes it and ships it to the
vendor. Then China turns around and sells their customer's ideas to anyone
else they feel like selling it to. This is how that works. Unless you are a huge
company like Disney with worldwide trademark protection and China is afraid
of you.
THANK YOU he is NOT DISNEY... they are NOT going to make improvements
for ONE vendor!
I had a battery go bad and Steve replaced it no questions asked...how
many other vendors would do this based on trust. But not only did he replace
my battery, he also threw in a manual pass through and a car charger free of
charge. Can anyone tell me if any other vendors that treat their customers as
well as Steve does? There are mounds of threads in this section of the forum
from other satisfied customers that have had similar experiences.
I HAVE ALL this plus some with another and he pulls BAD stock!!!
Now as far as if one is better than the other....this is getting old real fast.
YES IT IS!! Steve is not going to tell anyone what improvements he
makes...would you if you were a vendor? The testimonials speak for
themselves. I would not knock any other vendor....and perhaps the OP should
have asked the same question in Drew's thread. As far as I am concerned I
have a very good reason for sticking with V4L....customer service.
perhaps the OP should have asked the same question in Drew's
thread
HE SHOULD he will be answered promptly and honestly!
I was going to purchase from you.. I wanted to see the difference but after
reading for days I can CLEARLY see there is not one.
As far as other vendors freebies and customer service and returning items.. go
read for yourself in other vendor forums other do this also! Cheaper is better in
this case! NOTHING to do with "you get what you pay for"!!
This continuing schwartz sizing episode is getting old.
You will not be able to proof any proprietary changes one way or the other.
You've made your point. Even if they are exactly the same, there is more to
making a purchase than just the product alone...warranty, service, word of
mouth testimony ect.
VERY VERY OLD.. and if he wants it to stop he should STOP making claims of
being better and improved than other KR808 vendors.
Go ahead delete my thread.
again if it IS different PROVE it! aside from your knock off LV logo!
(with a KR808D-1 cartomizer and 901 atty), I'll send it back to V4L and ask for a refund. With his great guarantee, I know Steve is good for it.
