Are vape shops stockpiling too?

[sofarsogood]

I read in another thread that a retailer of PG and VG says prices are going up and the cause is an increase in orders from vape shops. It's hard to believe that vape shops could effect prices of those because they are commodity items produced in huge quantities but it sounds like they are buying way more PG and VG than usual. Are they stockpiling?

I have very little understanding of how the regs effect vape shop e liquid so somebody correct my reasoning if is wrong. Are the vape shops who mix in house making large amounts of e liquid so it is "grandfathered" out of the 8-8 deadline? Perhaps they are making enought so they have product to sell for a year or two?

Everybody who mixes knows how inexpensive the ingredients are for e liquid. It also keeps very well. May be two years of inventory is not so expensive or hard to keep fresh.

 

[AzPlumber]

I suspect some e-juice makers are stocking up just like the diy'ers are. I also suspect the supplier is confusing some diy'ers as e-juice makers.

 

[sofarsogood]

I suspect some e-juice makers are stocking up just like the diy'ers are. I also suspect the supplier is confusing some diy'ers as e-juice makers.

If you are a consumer making e liquid there is no reason to stockpile PG and VG. If you are a commercial producerr who might not be able to make eliquid after 8-8 may be the thing to do is make a several years supply of finished e liquid before the deadline so you have some thing to sell for a while longer, like 2 years longer.

I think the PG and VG suppliers know who their commercial customers are by the volume of sales to each customer.

 

[AzPlumber]

If you are a consumer making e liquid there is no reason to stockpile PG and VG. If you are a commercial producerr who might not be able to make eliquid after 8-8 may be the thing to do is make a several years supply of finished e liquid before the deadline so you have some thing to sell for a while longer, like 2 years longer.

I think the PG and VG suppliers know who their commercial customers are by the volume of sales to each customer.

If your a consumer and don't want to pay higher prices you stock up now while the price is reasonable and the product readily avalable. If your a consumer buying gallons of PG & VG it would be easy to mistake you for a commercial producer. I doubt many vape shops are buying drums.

 

[sofarsogood]

If your a consumer and don't want to pay higher prices you stock up now while the price is reasonable and the product readily avalable. If your a consumer buying gallons of PG & VG it would be easy to mistake you for a commercial producer. I doubt many vape shops are buying drums.

The price of PG and VG is more or less irrelevent. My DIY costs 1.2 cents per ml. Raise the price 25% and it's 1.5 cents per ml. My annual cost of ingredients for e liquid is less than $30. Increasing that by 25% or even 100% isn't important. My annual cost for cigs was $3,000.

A vape shop with costs similar to mine doesn't have to sell very much e liquid day to day to cover the rent. Governments are insanely jealous and scared of this threat to their tobacco business. It's easy to distinguish a business customer from a consumer by volumn and business name.

 

[anavidfan]

This is what Ive been thinking about for a while. PG/VG are used in many other industries so depending on the place you get yours , I dont see why the price would have to go up at all?

Places that sell to people who make their own cosmetics, skin products or perfumes etc, just want to sell. They dont usually ask what are you using this for unless one is not familiar with the food grade PG/VG vs industrial use.

I know places that specifically sell for vape use such as RTS , OneStopDIY, etc might up the price because they know they can. Meaning taking advantage of the "scare". One would hope not, but again businesses are in it for profits. Plus new customers starting out on DIY wont know the reg prices and older customers might stay or look for perfume/ cosmetic suppliers etc.

If the suppliers they buy from take advantage of them and up the price then they are going to have to make some money from us to make up for it or take a little less profit.

The same with wire suppliers. The vape gear places might and probably will up the prices but the places like TEMCO etc, that have been selling wire for various industries for decades have only recently started selling to us vapers. That is why you see prices vary so much from 3.00 for 25 ft to 10.00 for the same amount.

It will be interesting to see what happens after Aug 8th and how many places really stick it to us and how others do.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Not in Pennsylvania!!!

 

[AzPlumber]

This is what Ive been thinking about for a while. PG/VG are used in many other industries so depending on the place you get yours , I dont see why the price would have to go up at all?

Places that sell to people who make their own cosmetics, skin products or perfumes etc, just want to sell. They dont usually ask what are you using this for unless one is not familiar with the food grade PG/VG vs industrial use.

I know places that specifically sell for vape use such as RTS , OneStopDIY, etc might up the price because they know they can. Meaning taking advantage of the "scare". One would hope not, but again businesses are in it for profits. Plus new customers starting out on DIY wont know the reg prices and older customers might stay or look for perfume/ cosmetic suppliers etc.

If the suppliers they buy from take advantage of them and up the price then they are going to have to make some money from us to make up for it or take a little less profit.

The same with wire suppliers. The vape gear places might and probably will up the prices but the places like TEMCO etc, that have been selling wire for various industries for decades have only recently started selling to us vapers. That is why you see prices vary so much from 3.00 for 25 ft to 10.00 for the same amount.

It will be interesting to see what happens after Aug 8th and how many places really stick it to us and how others do.

Prices for PG & VG have come down dramatically in the five years I've been buying it. Places like ED had traditional sold to the soap & lotion diy'ers and herbalists. With the explosion of e-liquids came a huge new customer base, increasing their purchasing power and passing that savings on to us. If the new FDA regulations limit access to nicotine it would also impact the number of folks buying PG & VG.

 

[daviedog]

If i owned a vape shop I'd be stockpiling. They don't predict the future any better than us..

 

[KentA]

If i owned a vape shop I'd be liquidating.

 

[440BB]

If i owned a vape shop I'd be liquidating.

If it were only that easy. With months or years of a lease to pay and employees to consider, I'd expect many to hold out for some time to generate enough money to fulfill their obligations. That would also give owners time to figure out what they are going to do next to make a living. As more average vapers get wind of the upcoming FDA hell, there may be some pretty good runs on products at the B&M's who remain around for some time.

 

[Racehorse]

it sounds like they are buying way more PG and VG than usual. Are they stockpiling?.

Since VG and PG are commonly sold in feed stores, etc. and will always be available, this sounds kinda stupid.
Ditto, food flavorings.

I've been buying VG for years to make pine needle baskets......soak the needles in VG to soften them to work with, not to mention it is used as a skin lubricant.

 

[ScandaLeX]

I doubt many vape shops are buying drums.

Many vape shops may not be buying drums of PG & VG but based on the stockpiling posts I've seen just around here on ECF, they may want to.

I think any rising prices is due to vapocalypse shoppers. I don't know what the consumer outside of ECF is doing but in here, people are stocking up on PG & VG as though its availability will come to an end in the next 24 hrs.

 

[Toronnah]

A year from now expect a lot of "old" tasting juice

 

[tj99959]

Well I know of one juice maker that just opened up a new restaurant.

 

[sofarsogood]

If vape shops can continue to make their own liquids after 8-8 there is no reason for them to stockpile finished e liquid nor VG and PG so it seems unlikely that they could be the cause of a spike in PG AND VG prices. May be so many vapers are stockpiling that they are having some impact on short term supplies. I wish that was true but probably it isn't.

 

[puffon]

Don't understand why anyone needs to stockpile VG/PG.
Sometime I think we are, our own worst enemy...

 

[sofarsogood]

Don't understand why anyone needs to stockpile VG/PG.
Sometime I think we are, our own worst enemy...

If 100,000 vapers each bought their first gallon of PG and VG for DIY that would be 200,000 gallons. It sounds like a lot except 10's of millions of gallons are produced.

 

[Grimwald]

I would guess many new diyers have purchased pg and vg for the first time. Others are stocking up on a year or two of their favorite liquids meaning vape shops and juice vendors may be seeing a spike in sales.The local shops may have signs saying "stock up now-no liquid sales after Aug 8th" or some such. I have never considered stocking up on simple pg and vg, but have stocked up on some premade liquids.