Are We All Just Test Subjects?

[Strigoi]

I was talking to my wife earlier about how much some people actually smoked on here before they went to vaping. I see we have smoked for the same amount of time but how do you (anyone) manage to smoke 2 packs a day. Even if I chain smoke and drink all weekend I can maybe get a pack in a day.

I've seen people on here say they've been 4-5 pack a day smokers. I don't see how that's possible unless you have a cigarette hanging out of your mouth damn near every minute you're awake. I used to smoke a pack a day and it felt like I was always going out for a cigarette.

I did have a couple of roommates years ago that would go out, have 3-4 drags off a cigarette and put it out (one of them even smoked 100s). If someone is doing that a lot, they will go through a lot more cigarettes and not actually be smoking nearly as much as it seems.

 

[Fiamma]

LOL Shackit, I smoked for 55 years, the last 20 of them at two cartons a week. You must not have applied yourself properly

 

[otrpu]

I've seen people on here say they've been 4-5 pack a day smokers. I don't see how that's possible unless you have a cigarette hanging out of your mouth damn near every minute you're awake. I used to smoke a pack a day and it felt like I was always going out for a cigarette.

I did have a couple of roommates years ago that would go out, have 3-4 drags off a cigarette and put it out (one of them even smoked 100s). If someone is doing that a lot, they will go through a lot more cigarettes and not actually be smoking nearly as much as it seems.

I've heard the "Rat Pack" member Dean Martin smoked 6 to 7 packs a day. Myself, when I quit a year ago, was up to 2.5 packs a day. I wasn't to the point of lighting the next with the last, but almost there. After 52 years of smoking tobacco cigarettes. . .I accidentally quit smoking. JMHO

Cheers,
otrpu

 

[Shackit]

"believe it's because vaping is seen almost like a threat by many people including big tobacco."

Thanks, that is what I said in the very first post (starting this convo) and I got the foil hat. I agree with a lot of his post, but my question was, is there any info to back these thoughts up? I fake it to make it everyday at work and can b/s with the best of them but without some sort of study I take everything said to me as a breath of air or a stroke of a keyboard on this case.

And research or not I really don't care for myself, I agree we kicked something much worse for us for something (we believe) to be healthier. But the last thing I want to be doing is blowing something out that could be possibly harming my wife or others that may have lung or heart issues.

Thanks Cloud I will save and read into those links.

 

[Shackit]

LOL Shackit, I smoked for 55 years, the last 20 of them at two cartons a week. You must not have applied yourself properly

I was thinking "what the hell is this person talking about". That made me laugh. Yes I failed to apply myself in the smoking scene. I don't even know you and I feel like a failure on your eye's. Screw vaping, I'm going to the gas station now to pick up a carton.

 

[sonicdsl]

Check out the CASAA website for updates on studies (and news/legislation). Also, subscribe to the Legislation News sub-forum and the Media and General News sub-forum to keep up with the latest in studies, legislation & news.

There have been a couple of studies posted recently where the air quality had no measurable effect in several categories, including 0 nicotine exhaled, and minuscule particulates in other categories. This is the start of some good news for vaping!

While you're at the CASAA website, join and help!

 

[sonicdsl]

Thanks, that is what I said in the very first post (starting this convo) and I got the foil hat. I agree with a lot of his post, but my question was, is there any info to back these thoughts up? I fake it to make it everyday at work and can b/s with the best of them but without some sort of study I take everything said to me as a breath of air or a stroke of a keyboard on this case.

And research or not I really don't care for myself, I agree we kicked something much worse for us for something (we believe) to be healthier. But the last thing I want to be doing is blowing something out that could be possibly harming my wife or others that may have lung or heart issues.

Thanks Cloud I will save and read into those links.

This is why, at this point, vaping is classified as Tobacco Harm Reduction.

 

[Shackit]

I've seen people on here say they've been 4-5 pack a day smokers. I don't see how that's possible unless you have a cigarette hanging out of your mouth damn near every minute you're awake. I used to smoke a pack a day and it felt like I was always going out for a cigarette.

I did have a couple of roommates years ago that would go out, have 3-4 drags off a cigarette and put it out (one of them even smoked 100s). If someone is doing that a lot, they will go through a lot more cigarettes and not actually be smoking nearly as much as it seems.

That is what I have done for years, I smoked 100's. Would have a few puffs put it out, but a while later I would light it back up and do the same till it was done.
I still don't even see how someone can smoke 2-3 packs in one day if they are at least leaving the house.

Also Strigoi, please see my signature line and then click to page one and read the third post down. Thank you.
Oh yea "ten characters"

 

[Strigoi]

My roommates wouldn't light up that same cigarette. They'd take a few drags and that one was done, hence my it seemed like they were smoking much more than they actually were.

The threads have moved and this one is currently the 3rd one down. Post a link to the thread you're talking about and I'll check it. I'm heading off to bed now (got to get up early to buy a new rear end for one of my vehicles) so I probably won't see it until tomorrow evening. I'll bookmark this post so I remember to check.

 

[DSmooch]

unfortunately, it is possible to smoke 2 or 3 packs a day... it just depends on what you do for a living.... if you're software engineer with your own office space, a fridge nearby loaded with 6 packs... I guarantee you'll have to stop yourself to stay within the 2 packs range.
My dad, on the road all day prospecting for new clients: 3 packs of gitane (no filter), a french brand, one of the deadliest...
The conditions: be alone (no regulations), stressful environment. A trucker smokes just stay awake... very stresful.

as for are us being "smokers" or not... its all in the semantic...
From the health POV.... I feel a lot better, no doubt.
From the habit POV, when i forget my charger at the office and I have to drive back there at 10:30PM, i don't hesitate... i go back.
Everyone calls it how he d*n pleases. me, i'm not into lurring myself. I know the habit, I know the satisfaction that comes out of a puff.
Don't get me wrong, I love vaping more than I ever did smoking. Out of 40 cigs I would enjoy one or two... now I enjoy every puff.
Conclusion: if you were not a smoker, stay away. Some ppl may get the wrong message from some vapers.
If you are a smoker,quit smoking and start vaping immediately... which is a life/death choice here.

 

[Shackit]

The threads have moved and this one is currently the 3rd one down. Post a link to the thread you're talking about and I'll check it. I'm heading off to bed now (got to get up early to buy a new rear end for one of my vehicles) so I probably won't see it until tomorrow evening. I'll bookmark this post so I remember to check.

I was talking about the third post down from page one of this thread.
On a side note what type of vehicle?

Edit: Nevermind, Car Merc?

 

[Racehorse]

A trucker smokes just stay awake... very stresful.

I'm on a book swap. Truckers order a lot of books-on-tape/cd from me. Maybe they don't smoke or vape.

 

[zuzette]

That is what I have done for years, I smoked 100's. Would have a few puffs put it out, but a while later I would light it back up and do the same till it was done.
I still don't even see how someone can smoke 2-3 packs in one day if they are at least leaving the house.

Also Strigoi, please see my signature line and then click to page one and read the third post down. Thank you.
Oh yea "ten characters"

2 packs a day is easy - way easy. assuming a wakeful period of 12 hours a day / 40 = one cig every 18 minutes. Or -
6 am coffee and 4/5 smokes
7 am shower & dress
7:30 - drive to work (hour commute) 3 in the car
8:30-8:35 - walk from car to office - 1 cig
You have now been awake 2.5 hours and already had 8-9 cigs. the remaining 32 or so will go fast. thank god you cant smoke at your desk. that slows you down.
I dont think we need to cover the remainder of the day - just the am schedule demonstrates how easy it is to blow through a bunch of smokes without even trying.

 

[Shackit]

2 packs a day is easy - way easy. assuming a wakeful period of 12 hours a day / 40 = one cig every 18 minutes. Or -
6 am coffee and 4/5 smokes
7 am shower & dress
7:30 - drive to work (hour commute) 3 in the car
8:30-8:35 - walk from car to office - 1 cig
You have now been awake 2.5 hours and already had 8-9 cigs. the remaining 32 or so will go fast. thank god you cant smoke at your desk. that slows you down.
I dont think we need to cover the remainder of the day - just the am schedule demonstrates how easy it is to blow through a bunch of smokes without even trying.

6-645 shower, dress up,cook breakfast =1 cig outside
645-7 drive to train =1 cig
7-745 train
745-8 go to work =1cig

I counted 3, where in co are you?

 

[zuzette]

I agree with the poster who said you just arent applying yourself - said with *love* in a non-creepy internet kind of way.

Im in westminster -you?

 

[Shackit]

yea I'm glad I'm not applying myself. for the hell of it I just went outside and lit a cig and put it right back out. After twenty years, I believe I'm done.
I'm down in littleton. Why are you up so late? did you get your party on or what?

 

[zuzette]

LOL - I am an early riser. It is a normal hour for morning.

 

[Shackit]

normal for a weekday, about three hours before bed on a weekend. Keep in touch, I'd like to meet more people in colorado that vape. And no offence but your from up north so just so it's clear, never mind I was already warned and edited from the moderators so no more bad jokes. Keep in touch unless you drive a white van.

 

[nanovapr]

zuzette, you forgot to mention the smoke between showering and dressing.....

 

[recidivus]

Research is most likely being done as we speak, but it's not being done to our benefit. There's a recent one that vaping increased airway resistance for 10 minutes after inhalation, though there was no (known) comparison to other types of vapour inhalation (like water). Or failed to mention that most any foreign material inhalation will cause problems. No tin foil hat needed. This stuff takes money, lots and lots and lots of money. Even if everyone on this forum donated 10$, it would be a drop in the bucket. Also, there's more to it than just doing some studies on a couple ecigs. It's not like taking a plant, burning it, and seeing what comes out. (raw)Tobacco tends to be the same across the board, it's (more)easily studied.

PG/VG and their effects have been researched as far back as the 40s, when it was found that PG has germicidal properties when inhaled. VG has been around for a long time also, and is used in a ridiculous number of products ranging from medication to lubricant to make up. There's a reason these are being used as opposed to, say, ethylene glycol.

As far as ingredients of flavouring, they tend to use FDA approved flavouring. Not all of these are "safe", and the community is aware of some issues (diacetyl is a no no, for example). The community adjusts itself and life goes on.

That's just the liquid side, then you have feeds and QC. Are you using a clearo, carto, atomizer, rebuildable? Are they using Kanthal and NR wire for the coil, or nichrome, or something else? What's the filler made of? Are the wicks bamboo, silicate, cotton, stainless? Is that bottle of liquid really just pg/vg and nicotine, what type of plastic is it, was it properly sterilized? What are the quality control measures? What about the prefilled carts, the ones most studied and tend to ship from China, land of health and safety standards.

As you can see, research on something that is quite literally evolving monthly and has so many variations is no small feat. By the time they wrap up a paper and publish it, there's something new on the market. Usually new products are improvements on previous hardware, safety has already been addressed and the market (us) have adapted and moved on. The only thing that they can really study is nicotine, pg, and vg, since they are the only common elements. All of them have been researched, over long periods of time, and have been found to be relatively safe for inhalation.