I know someone whose lungs has gotten better when he switched to vaping so I believe if it's not completely harmless, it's way much better than real cigarettes.
Are We All Just Test Subjects?
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That's hilarious! Me too! My daughter bought me a bottle of Ultra Death Sauce and it has the grim reaper right on the label. I USED to be able to put a drip of that on a taco. Now I can taste better and am having issues with just halepenos on my whopper! I love halepenos on my whoppers! But now it's too spicy. BUT everything tastes better, and I can smell better, so I'm willing to put down the Ultra Death Sauce. I'll just keep it for when my friends come over and make me mad.
You want a bloody Mary? Sure, no problem. Here you go. (kidding!) (or am I?!)!
You want a bloody Mary? Sure, no problem. Here you go. (kidding!) (or am I?!)!
I don't think big pharma is necessarily blocking research. They're probably just not funding it. Combine that with a relatively small user base, lack of awareness, and the newness of e-cigs and I think that's why the long term studies aren't out there.
Right... despite how it may seem on the forum, there just aren't that many vapers in the world yet. Probably not worth their time to do studies for such a small user base. No money in that. I don't think any big corporations are blocking anything. Same reason FDA hasn't really done much either, not many users yet.
I don't care if I'm a test subject, I was really a test subject when smoking cigs anyway. I know my COPD is much better since vaping and I think any long term effects from vaping just can't be as bad as long term effects from smoking.
Well, to answer your question as posed in the title directly: If I am a test subject, then I am a very willing participant.
Like so many here, I never thought I would be able to give up smoking regular cigarettes and they would eventually claim my life. When I discovered e-cigs (at the recommendation of my brother) back in February, I wasn't actually looking to give up smoking. It just sort of "happened", and I couldn't be happier with the results since.
Even if my life expectancy hasn't improved (due to unknown long term effects of e-cigs or the inevitable effects of my 30+ year PAD previous habit), my quality of life has improved vastly. This, to me, makes being a part of the movement/experiment worth any of the risks that may or may not be associated with e-cigs.
Like so many here, I never thought I would be able to give up smoking regular cigarettes and they would eventually claim my life. When I discovered e-cigs (at the recommendation of my brother) back in February, I wasn't actually looking to give up smoking. It just sort of "happened", and I couldn't be happier with the results since.
Even if my life expectancy hasn't improved (due to unknown long term effects of e-cigs or the inevitable effects of my 30+ year PAD previous habit), my quality of life has improved vastly. This, to me, makes being a part of the movement/experiment worth any of the risks that may or may not be associated with e-cigs.
Count me amongst those that believe the lack of testing, all of the pending legislation, the lack of "this product is approved by the FDA" is all political and lobbyist driven. There's no way that "big tobacco"...ok, they may not be as big as they used to be, but they're still a powerful lobby...there's no way they're going to sit by idly and let the gov't say, "yes...this is a safer way to go than cigarettes." On that same note, big pharma doesn't want the FDA approving e-cigs either because they don't have any skin in the game and don't want the competition for smoking their cessation products.
In either case, if e-cigs were to be an approved product by the FDA, both industries stand to lose a lot of money. I know a lot of people who won't try e-cigs simply because they aren't approved...so they keep going back to the gum...then back to the smokes...then back to the patch...then back to the smokes. Something like the e-cig, that seems to have a relatively good rate of success in getting people off the tabaco...if it was approved, these industries would stand to lose tens of thousands of "customers."
I'm sure there are some other legitimate concerns such as children...but you know it's politics when people start saying, "will someone think of the children." At any rate, it may be a legit concern, but a pretty minor one...and one that could easily be rectified.
In either case, if e-cigs were to be an approved product by the FDA, both industries stand to lose a lot of money. I know a lot of people who won't try e-cigs simply because they aren't approved...so they keep going back to the gum...then back to the smokes...then back to the patch...then back to the smokes. Something like the e-cig, that seems to have a relatively good rate of success in getting people off the tabaco...if it was approved, these industries would stand to lose tens of thousands of "customers."
I'm sure there are some other legitimate concerns such as children...but you know it's politics when people start saying, "will someone think of the children." At any rate, it may be a legit concern, but a pretty minor one...and one that could easily be rectified.
Pretty much everything involved in vaping is individually FDA approved. It's once you mix them up together that it's not FDA approved. Broccoli and water isn't FDA approved either.
Slide that line toward a friend who'd rather keep smoking than do something not FDA approved (and remind them how big of a joke the FDA is anyway).
I definitely felt like a test subject when I got my first eGo-c. The "Dude" behind the counter didn't even know how to make it work. (we learned together to use the atty to punch the plastic tank to make it work).
It sure has been a learning experience, but one I'm happy to participate in!
It sure has been a learning experience, but one I'm happy to participate in!
Just my two cents... I dont know how much safer vaping is than smoking. I do know that I feel better in general as far as being able to take my dogs for a walk without getting winded so soon. Truth be told, the only reason I looked into ecigs was to apease my wife who absolutely hates smoking. I get the same satisfaction out of vaping that I did out of smoking. So I am happy and my wife is happy. Add that to the small perks of not smelling like smoke all the time and being able to "smoke" inside, im a firm believer that vaping is far more benificial than smoking. I havent saved in the money department, I dont think, just because I am still trying to find my "all day vape" and therefore am constantly spending money trying out different setups and juices. Not only that, but seeing that I am falling into the croud of people being more addicted to the hardware than anthing else, I can truthfully admit that this might end up being more expensive for me than smoking was. But its all good, I feel better, my wife is happy and I have a new hobby. She loves that part in particular because I dont annoy her as much. ;-)
I can't echo BluGlen's sentiments upthread enough. I know this isn't answering the OP, but after doing as much research as was possible, I very quickly came to the conclusion that whatever unknown risks I was taking on, I was more than happy to to get off cigs. In just two weeks, my quality of life has improved drastically. Aside from having to cut down on my beloved sriracha. (You should have been there when I discovered that!)
I'm also really happy not to be forking over cash to BT. Want to talk about "funding terrorist organizations"? BT isn't getting another red cent from me!
I'm also really happy not to be forking over cash to BT. Want to talk about "funding terrorist organizations"? BT isn't getting another red cent from me!
Maybe they work outdoors?
Over a 40-year timespan I went from a 1 PAD smoker to a 1.25-pack-a-day smoker. My weight changed more than that %. And my weight does not change at all unless I quit smoking (or get pregnant but those days are gone! 2 grandkids!)
And I believe I truly need nicotine, metabolically, as my Dad did. And my sister.
You know how you get to putting out a cigarette halfway through without even noticing, your hand just does it? I think I needed 1-1.2 PAD and other folks needed 2-5 PAD. So I'll probably cut down to 18 mg a year or so after I finally quit smoking (still at 1/4 PAD) but some of those other folks might be on 36 for life.
I think a lot (but not all!) of the "bad" things we make illegal or immoral are just things we have an instinct to self-medicate with. I even know quite a few 20-somethings with no dental coverage who ended up in prison because their wisdom teeth hurt horribly and they needed to be able to go to work, so they took matters into their own hands.
Someday we'll figure out that one size does not fit all.
I'm with the others that are willing 'test subjects'. I researched as much as I could find before I switched to e-cigs (which wasn't much), but found enough solid evidence that it was far better than the nasty habit I'd indulged in for the previous 35 years. It feels SO good to be smoke free! (Since Jan.2nd of this year.) Vaping is amazing!
And you must be the semi-weekly douche to point it out?
I never said there must be something wrong with vaping, I'm just asking if any actual research has been done. I agree with most responses here and love the fact that switching was so easy. So I'm not saying that something must be wrong with vaping, I'm asking if there is anything wrong with it. I think it's great for my health but I don't want my exhale to be harming others in the house like second hand smoke does.
So thank you for your waste of time post and if you don't have anything useful to add get the ---- out of my thread and start your own.
Now that was not very nice. From what I have read their is no second hand smoke because their is no burning tobacco and the studies I have read show only water vaper exhaled, no nicotine and the main ingredients in e-juice are in inhalers for asthmatic and alot of food products, icing, cakes,candies and other products. They are pharmaceutical grade liquids. Its also in fog machines at concerts and so on. Blow regular cig smoke thru a Kleenex and then blow e-cig vapor thru a kleenex. A very big differance. The e-cig vapor will be very very clean. The real cig will be very yucky. Hope this helps some.
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Wyojoe, thanks for the reply, I know my comment was not polite but I have low tolerance for people that like to post worthless comments in other peoples threads.
I have read all the info on the ingredients, and we used to blow the smoke through our skirts when we were kids, we were so proud when we won for getting the darkest puff. I wish I could go back in time and smack that cig out of my mouth!
I have found one article/study that states that the exhale contains no pollutants but I just can't believe that my lungs can soak up every drop of nic in the juice in the half of a second that it is contained in my lungs. If people can smell the sent when we vape something more than clean vapor must be coming out.
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Try reading the whole thread! But thanks for the answer. Also check out my sweet cig counter in my signature line.
Everytime I look at it I am amazed. 150 cigs I have not smoked, may be small to some but I'm damn proud. thanks to my 510 and the e-cigarette forum.
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