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Don't you get it Tallgirl... if you don't believe in the god of the bible , then you are instantly part of the worlds most distrusted minority
for some reason it's ok to bash on atheists , i can't even recall how many times i have been told i'm going to hell.
but if you speak up against faith , you are instantly labeled as a bigot
An interesting contrast with the UK. Here, society is largely "secular" and actively religious (eg churchgoing) people are a definite minority. We may well be reaching the point where we have more active muslims than active christians, but they are a small minority too.
We have a LOT of "I sort of believe in something people", and lots of agnostics...
Regilious or not, was it such a good idea to remove God(anyones) from schools. Since he's been removed look how better our schools are. Could it be that it actually helped maybe a little and did it actually hurt anyone? The idea of "do unto to others" by itself maybe taught us a little something. Just an observation.
For those of you that are caught up in "show me the proof" or "scientific facts" Here is a link that goes over 101 scientific Facts Foretold ALL in The Bible..GODS WORD
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Arguing with people over religion, or politics for that matter, is a pointless endeavor.
People will believe whatever they do, and no amount of argument will change their mind one way or the other.
Oddly enough, while most people tend to stick to the religion of their parents, at most changing to another sect of the same religion, the same does not hold true for their politics.
People will believe whatever they do, and no amount of argument will change their mind one way or the other.
Oddly enough, while most people tend to stick to the religion of their parents, at most changing to another sect of the same religion, the same does not hold true for their politics.
"Where ignorance is bliss, Tis folly to be wise." is the full proverb I believe and quite scary when you think about it. Matthew 7:1,2 "Judge not that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall me measured to you again." This bible verse refers to God's ultimate judgment and not discernment. It should remind us to be tolerant and forgiving where possible and that condemnation rests with God not man. I can't remember these verses verbatim, by the way, but can always find a quick reference through Nave's topical bible. The Twin Towers Tragedy was pretty much universally decried as an act of terrorism. I believe it often takes more courage to live your faith than to die for it.
Not sure what your saying here. Religion out of schools good or bad in your opinion? And the schools your speaking of... public or private?
My best,
-VP
This means nothing unfortunatly MissVapor. You've provided a link to a site that already presuposses christianity is correct. Its proving the bible with the bible. Circular reasoning. The link states a "fact" then provides links to bible passages to back it up. In a debate such as this, its worthless hogwash.
If you were to provide a link to a third party, unbiased by religion, I would gladly admit you had a point.
My best,
-VP
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Yes, it was an act of terrorism. Commited by FAITHFULL adherants to a religious sect. Your last sentence does not apply to fundamentalist muslims.
My best,
-VP
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Didn't know this was a debate? I was just giving you some facts that came true thousands of years after GOD already told us. There are other links besides "Bible Links" as you stated.
After you get done reading them and still want to believe that those are also "just coincidences or accidents" that is your right, and the free will GOD gave you.
I can't make you believe in GOD, and GOD can't make you believe in GOD. He wants us to "chose" him or else he would've just made us into robots.
God Bless xoxo
I dont really agree Grimm,
I havent seen anyone bashing me, an Atheist, at all. And I have not been told Im going to hell by the people Im debating with here.
And honestly, being labled a bigot by a chritian is immediatly arguable since they are to "Not judge, lest they be judged themselves". Call me a bigot based on my denial of faith, and I shall tear you apart based on you acceptance of it. In a friendly way of course!
My best,
-VP
right , certainly nobody on here has been bashing atheists and for the most part the theists i know or am friends with are really cool, But back when i used to make youtube videos about atheism... some of the most horrible , hurtful , disgusting things i have ever read were sent to me by believers. I mean truly truly nasty stuff that i would never wish upon anyone.
i don't think i will ever understand how "FREE WILL" with the consequence of punishment by torture in eternal fire can be considered "FREE WILL" at all
i think even more interestingly , is according to the bible god originally DID make us into robots. we had no free will , no knowledge of right and wrong or good and evil. He programed us to do nothing but worship him. it wasn't until the talking snake convinced the rib woman to eat the fruit that we gained the ability to think.
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Is this for real? Seriously, this reads like a parody.
So, why didn't God just say, "Pork chops are good, but make sure you cook them really well before you eat them."?
For that matter, if it's the word of God, why don't Christians listen to it? Why is it now OK?
Oddly, most of the culinary tips from the Bible seem to be about what not to eat. Nothing in there about how you should watch your carb intake, or eat plenty of vegetables. Best I recall God wasn't real big on the veggies. Isn't that why he preferred Able's sacrifice to Cain's?
Sorry Pete had to leave for a little. Just asking is our public school system better now than when we were allowed to mention God in our schools? I'm not saying that religion should be taught in schools(unless private school) Just asking, did it help or hurt when we were allowed to speak of God in school.
My best to you.
I generally don't like any organized religion. I used to call myself "spiritual," but when that became a religion in it's own right, I decided to no longer label myself as anything.
You can call me an atheist who does not drink the standard atheist kool aid (ie. no, I don't consider myself part of the atheist religion either). I do, however, live my life as a Taoist, though not strictly enough to call me such.
Labels are terrible. All I know for certain is what's in front of me and ideas/concepts that repeatable and consistent. A creator might exist, or might not -- I make no assumptions. Considering the state humanity has always been in, if a creator did exist, he would be a rather cruel maker.
I'm not snobby about my beliefs like other "atheists" are, I'd rather every belief system coexist and stop being so uppity.
You can call me an atheist who does not drink the standard atheist kool aid (ie. no, I don't consider myself part of the atheist religion either). I do, however, live my life as a Taoist, though not strictly enough to call me such.
Labels are terrible. All I know for certain is what's in front of me and ideas/concepts that repeatable and consistent. A creator might exist, or might not -- I make no assumptions. Considering the state humanity has always been in, if a creator did exist, he would be a rather cruel maker.
I'm not snobby about my beliefs like other "atheists" are, I'd rather every belief system coexist and stop being so uppity.
From what I've seen schools have gone downhill, but I believe it was removing discipline that did that, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with religion.
Wow, so much in so little time. In regard to some earlier posts. Before sin there was no death and God walked with man in harmony and man did have a job - to tend creation. After sin entered the relationship we see the first sacrificial death with an animal being slain to provide for clothing. Such a serious offense was sin that blood was shed. Man had striven for equality with God (just like lucifer) and from that point forward the relationship with God was changed. Death entered the world. God had made preparation for this event and from the beginning of time Jesus was to be the ultimate sacrifice (through shed blood)for this discretion. The angels stand amazed according to the scriptures; for although created beings like us, they were apparently not given any atonement for their rebellious acts but were sentenced to an eternity apart from the Creator. Cain's sacrifice was not acceptable to God and we're not sure why. We don't know if God required a blood sacrifice or just what the problem was but we are told that Abel brought the "first fruits" and it can be inferred that Cain did not of the best give or otherwise gave with the wrong attitude. Throughout the Old Testament the idea of sacrifice is continued and we are given a list of clean and unclean (Leviticus and Deuteronomy) foods and acts. Scholars suspect a practical reason regarding some of the requirements was health and hygine. God is practical after all. By the time we get to Acts (9:36-43) we see the clean/unclean food designation clarified for Peter (yes, he held some prejudices). And we are under the New Covenant now. Praise God. This is just a synopis from my recollection but hope it clears up a few thoughts instead of creating a bigger mess.
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