I get hit with "what the hell is that" everyday. I explain what, why, how much $ I have saved in 4 months then hand the a Volcano biz card. Converts are everywhere.
Are you smoking inside?
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Most people are curious. Also most people are a bit shy and would hesitate to approach a complete stranger about the vaping. Even if you lit a cigarette in a no smoking area, most people would ignore it or make some comments loud enough to be overheard. However, a small minority of people are aggressive, arrogant, and love confrontation. If someone like that approaches you, you're wasting your time trying to educate them. Just say it's a vaporizer and there's no smoke and ignore them because you're not going to convince them. Happily, the large majority are open-minded and interested. By all means, educate those ones as much as possible. If we want our vaporizers to be accepted in public, we don't have to convert everybody. Just most of them.
I vape inside as well, still not around the kids though. I'm still not sure that there isn't nic in the vape I'm exhaling, no need to give the little squirts a vaped nic buz.
I was a stealth smoker and thus a stealth vaper. Very few people knew that I smoked, so it's hard for me to vape around folks that didn't know to begin with. I honestly don't want certain people to know I smoked, but sure wish I could just come out of the closet as a vaper without people knowing that info! It would seem odd to say "Oh yeah, I just decided to spend a bunch of money to start up an addiction!" 
Guess I could fib and say that it's 0 nic (close enough, I do 6) and it's for weight loss LOL.
Guess I could fib and say that it's 0 nic (close enough, I do 6) and it's for weight loss LOL.I never smoked indoors, but I will quite happily vape away while watching a film or programming.
For the first few months I used to go outside to vape. I guess it made it feel more like smoking, which was important to me at the time (it becomes less important gradually).
91 days without a single cigarette, now. And thinking of switching from my 510-t kit to something bigger and better...
For the first few months I used to go outside to vape. I guess it made it feel more like smoking, which was important to me at the time (it becomes less important gradually).
91 days without a single cigarette, now. And thinking of switching from my 510-t kit to something bigger and better...
I wouldn't necessarily vape around little kids for a variety of reasons, but it's not going to hurt them if you do and there is absolutely zero chance they'd get a "buzz". How can I say that? There has been testing of vapor. Test results show the vapor consists almost entirely of water. What wasn't water was a few trace elements of chemicals not known to be harmful and they were at nearly undetectable levels. The nicotine level was 0.01%. 1/100th of one percent. At that rate, you couldn't pack enough vapers in a poorly ventilated room to generate harmful levels of nicotine.
This was confirmed, in my mind anyway, by blood and tissue test results on my parrot, who sits within 8 feet of where I chain vape all day. Birds are extremely susceptible to airborne toxins. They accumulate them in their bodies to a far greater degree than any other animal. That's why they used to use canaries in coal mines. After almost 2 years of exposure to my vapor, my parrot had no detectable level of nicotine in her blood or tissues. I paid a lot of money extra to have that thoroughly checked. OTOH, she did have traces of airborne pollution and heavy metals, undoubtedly from the air in the lightly traveled suburban neighborhood where I live.
Bottom line, there is more risk from the air you breathe in a typical neighborhood than there is in exhaled vapor.
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The OP was perhaps too casual in titling this thread... Is "Are you smoking inside" a quote from the parents, or is it a question that is being asked of us? If there is not fire and ashes involved, it's not smoking. I understand there is a comfort initially in holding something that feels like a cigarette, size and weight-wise. We are trying to stop a habit that has both physical addiction and ritual, that's a tough combo to beat. I was a 'lip-dangler' smoker, when I was working with my hands. I did the research, and for my first device I went with a big-batt 510. I got over missing the cig-feel in a few weeks, once I realized I could stop smoking.
If you use a little white tube with a red LED, it looks like you are smoking to a non-smoker. Expect to be challenged more about it.
When I was at the 3 month point with zero cigarettes, and had two batteries die on a cross-country car trip. I bought a cheap "cig-a-like" at a gas station to avoid smoking. It worked, but it was bad. I noticed that I was not enjoying the feel in my hand, as much as I was missing a decent vape, at the time.
"What to say in public" has been long discussed here. I too, feel that saying anything with the word "cigarette" in it is detrimental to a non-smoker. When I am casually asked by a stranger, I display a non-cig-looking mod, and say "It's how I quit smoking" and leave it at that. I avoid the word nicotine, because to a non-smoker, that just means poison. If they are interested (especially if they are a smoker) I know we exhale microscopic amounts of nicotine, but I don't try to quantify it, or compare it to coffee. Ten pounds of eggplant may have as much nicotine as one cig, but that's not a very valid comparison.
I always ask in restaurants, I have never been turned down. I enjoy vaping after I eat, but I don't try to make a steam engine display in public. I have asked 4 doctors about vaping, all 4 said it is good, but I don't fudge as far as saying my doctor prescribed it.
I often use a line in restaurants I saw in another thread here when asking. (while displaying the PV, and smiling) "Do you mind if I use my portable steamer in here? It helps me breath better." If they know what it is, they laugh and say sure. If they don't know what it is, they seem to be eager to agree. I have never been turned down. I don't say 'nicotine inhaler', because perhaps they have a family member that wants to quit smoking, and then I would be uncomfortable, because I don't have any valid info.
IMHO, the most important thing for all of us, is that we stopped smoking. Find a device and juice that works for you, and stick with it. I also personally feel duty-bound to educate people around me about it, smokers and non-smokers alike. I am not evangelical about it, but I'm happy to talk about it if someone is interested. Smokers are a small percentage of people that make laws, and non-smokers won't learn about it accurately by themselves.
If you use a little white tube with a red LED, it looks like you are smoking to a non-smoker. Expect to be challenged more about it.
When I was at the 3 month point with zero cigarettes, and had two batteries die on a cross-country car trip. I bought a cheap "cig-a-like" at a gas station to avoid smoking. It worked, but it was bad. I noticed that I was not enjoying the feel in my hand, as much as I was missing a decent vape, at the time.
"What to say in public" has been long discussed here. I too, feel that saying anything with the word "cigarette" in it is detrimental to a non-smoker. When I am casually asked by a stranger, I display a non-cig-looking mod, and say "It's how I quit smoking" and leave it at that. I avoid the word nicotine, because to a non-smoker, that just means poison. If they are interested (especially if they are a smoker) I know we exhale microscopic amounts of nicotine, but I don't try to quantify it, or compare it to coffee. Ten pounds of eggplant may have as much nicotine as one cig, but that's not a very valid comparison.
I always ask in restaurants, I have never been turned down. I enjoy vaping after I eat, but I don't try to make a steam engine display in public. I have asked 4 doctors about vaping, all 4 said it is good, but I don't fudge as far as saying my doctor prescribed it.
I often use a line in restaurants I saw in another thread here when asking. (while displaying the PV, and smiling) "Do you mind if I use my portable steamer in here? It helps me breath better." If they know what it is, they laugh and say sure. If they don't know what it is, they seem to be eager to agree. I have never been turned down. I don't say 'nicotine inhaler', because perhaps they have a family member that wants to quit smoking, and then I would be uncomfortable, because I don't have any valid info.
IMHO, the most important thing for all of us, is that we stopped smoking. Find a device and juice that works for you, and stick with it. I also personally feel duty-bound to educate people around me about it, smokers and non-smokers alike. I am not evangelical about it, but I'm happy to talk about it if someone is interested. Smokers are a small percentage of people that make laws, and non-smokers won't learn about it accurately by themselves.
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This is a good reason not to vape a cigarette look-alike in public. When people see a cig lookalike, they arent' so curious. They usually recognize it and they remember all the BS and lies of the FDA and the ANTZ. They "tsk-tsk" under their breaths and don't ask what you're doing because they think they know. But what they think they know is almost guaranteed to be wrong.
When I'm approached by an arrogant ANTZ or someone who intends to cause an argument, I tell them that I'm not smoking and this is not smoke coming from my mouth. It's an inhaler my doctor suggested or prescribed. That shuts them up fast. Nobody challenges someone else's medical condition. If I vaped a cigarette look-alike, I could never get away with that.
Obviously, if someone is genuinely interested, I never pass up an opportunity to convert, or at least educate them. That's another reason to vape a non cig look-alike. Some smokers have had exposure to e-cigs only through the gas station models or the crappy radio scams. They may feel that they know what you're doing if they see you with a similar unit. If they failed with those gas station e-cigs, which is likely, they won't ask you anything. If they see you with a proper vaporizer, they might ask and, once they learn what a decent PV is, it could lead them to trying e-cigs again.
My grandchildren, ages 13, 10 and 9 understood the difference right away. After explaining how I quit smoking and now vape, the 10 yr old immediately wanted to 'try it'. More explainining! Then the kids said they needed to tell Dad about it because he smokes and he needs to stop. They grin every time they see me use it because they have been bugging me to quit for a long time. They hug me more because I don't smell like smoke anymore. Maybe we should get the children to explain it to some of the adults?
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I agree 99.9% with your post. I also avoid the word "nicotine" when possible. But, the fact is that we DO have data about how much nicotine we exhale. How much nicotine we INhale is not a factor, except to ourselves. The anti-nicotine zealots have spread the propaganda that nicotine content in exhaled vapor is a mystery. They have even stated that vapers themselves have no control over their nicotine consumption. Unfortunately, their lies have gotten more widespread publicity than the truth.
The truth is that there IS valid data about exhaled nicotine levels. You can find it with the google machine, or you can probably dig it up on the CASAA website. Exhaled vapor contains approx. 0.01% nicotine. Obviously, this would vary by the strength of the juice you are vaping. But even if it was 5 times higher, it's still inconsequential, transient, it dissipates quickly and poses absolutely no threat to anyone, not even my ultra-sensitive parrot.
Someone concerned with a 0.01% nic level in vapor that has little chance of even reaching their face is like someone who lives neck-deep in a cesspool being concerned that a fly landed on their arm.
My wife used to tell me I was still smoking and not to vape near her. My solution was to tell her to stop drinking lemonade all day, it'll rot her teeth and make her fat. "It's not lemonade, it's mineral water" was her reply.
Well it's clear and it's got bubbles, looks like lemonade to me, it must be no good for you, stop drinking it.
She's fine with my vaping now.
Well it's clear and it's got bubbles, looks like lemonade to me, it must be no good for you, stop drinking it.
She's fine with my vaping now.
One of the best things about switching to vaping (besides being able to actually breathe, and smell and taste things) is being able to vape indoors at work. Luckily, my bosses understood that its not actually smoking, and that I could be more productive if I didn't bail outside for 10 minutes every 2 hours. Kinda funny that now that everyone who walks into the office now will sniff the air to see if they can guess the flavor of the day. One thing that we did learn the hard way is that exhaling a good sized cloud of vapor in the direction of a smoke alarm is kinda a Bad Thing.
Someone once here on ECF (there's a lot of stuff here, we all know that) had a good line about what they are exhaling. "ALL YOU PEOPLE AROUND ME, YOU ARE EXHALING CARBON DIOXIDE, THAT STUFF WILL KILL YOU IF YOU BREATH IT". It's all in the amounts.
Realistically, if someone is challenging me in person about how much nic I am exhaling, I don't really want to argue with them, because I won't convince them by mere words. If it's a discussion with someone I know, that's one thing. I'm not confrontational enough to argue with a stranger.
In my misspent youth I used to drive cars that were a much worse hazard to breath in. Old hotrods with double-pumper carbs and leaky headers, you gotta go fast, just to be able to breathe!
Realistically, if someone is challenging me in person about how much nic I am exhaling, I don't really want to argue with them, because I won't convince them by mere words. If it's a discussion with someone I know, that's one thing. I'm not confrontational enough to argue with a stranger.
In my misspent youth I used to drive cars that were a much worse hazard to breath in. Old hotrods with double-pumper carbs and leaky headers, you gotta go fast, just to be able to breathe!
Yep, if someone won't listen to reason, it does no good to argue. I'd probably just say something like "The level of carbon dioxide coming from your mouth is closer to a lethal dose than the level of nicotine coming out of mine" and leave them to figure it out.
You reminded me of my own misspent youth in a '68 GTO convertible and needed to plan whether I'd leave the top up or down accounting for the speed I'd be driving and the wind speed when I stopped. I felt like I was planning an airplane takeoff sometimes.
Hey, I get the metaphor, but CO2 is not toxic (nitpicking, I know)
It is in high enough concentrations, just like nicotine.
Any time with a '68 GTO convertible should not be interpreted as misspent. That must have been one schweet ride!
I haven't had to defend my vaping to anyone yet, but if I did, I would just tell them about how many friends and family members I've lost to smoking related illness. This is my attempt to try to not fall into that same fate. Some will listen, and others will not, but such is the way with all controversial topics riddled with FUD.
I smoked for 30+ years, smoked in the first house the wife and I bought, when we moved there were rings around the pictures on the walls, decide we would not smoke in the new house!! I started vapeing in January (wife still smokes, but I'm trying
) She came in the other night after a smoke, freezing, complaining about the wind, etc. I just smiled as I vaped away on the couch
) She came in the other night after a smoke, freezing, complaining about the wind, etc. I just smiled as I vaped away on the couch- Status
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