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If an e-cigarette is accidently left on a restaurant table or falls out of a purse or pocket in the mall, ect. a child may have access to the e-cigarette and the consequences for the child could be devastating.

As a child, at various times I had occasion to forcefully empty the contents of my stomach. It was unpleasant, but by no means "devastating."

These people have been brainwashed by all the propaganda about "fatal doses" of nicotine. They take the dose of nicotine thought to be fatal, compare it to the total amount of nicotine in a container, and conclude that the contents of the container would kill a child if ingested. What really happens is that the nicotine triggers vomiting, which eliminates the vast majority of nicotine from the system. Nicotine that isn't in the system cannot kill the child.

During the past 27 years, the only child death related to tobacco involved a child that had both cigarettes and Valium in his system. Perhaps the Valium suppressed the body's natural defense mechanism against nicotine poisoning. Or perhaps the Valium itself killed the child.

The majority of cases require no medical treatment whatsoever. For example in 2009, out of 8,774 tobacco exposures, 1602 cases were treated in a medical facility, and only 4 cases were considered "Major". Of 1,307 pharmaceutical nicotine exposures, 315 were treated in a medical facility, and 2 cases were considered Major. There were no Deaths in either category.

Perhaps the PTA is not focusing its attention on the problems that are really the most dangerous. For example, there were 13,339 exposures to Amphetamines and Related Compounds. Of these, 4,337 required treatment in a medical facility, 75 were considered Major, and there were 3 deaths.

There were 51,999 exposures to alcoholic beverages, 4,060 treated in a medical facility, 202 were considered Major, and there were 8 Deaths.
 

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Vocalek ...
Excellent information and statistics to share with fellow members.
My questions is: Do you really think the PTA would even be interested in such information?
I just can't get "King County Board of Health" out of my head. They finally admitted that health
was not the issue...They just didn't want to see anything that would remind them of smoking.
 

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You gotta love how the PTA is all up in arms over e-cigs in public places. When you are at a restaurant in Utah, you are probably more likely to be around someone with a gun under their coat. I have no problem with guns or CCP, but considering the relative danger levels of the two items, the uproar over e-cigs is ridiculous.
 

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Two days ago (on the second posting of this thread), Petrodus posted the following quote, which I presume came from Wendy Leonard's article in the Deseret News


But at
Utah teens are experimenting with e-cigarettes | Deseret News
it now states


Although they didn't change the title of Wendy's article (as Greg stated in the last thread), they apparently corrected the inaccurate claim that a similar percentage of 6th, 8th and 10th graders had used e-cigarettes as did 12th graders (most of whom are 18 years old).

I am 98% certain that the title originally said 'Utah youth experimenting...'
 

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As a child, at various times I had occasion to forcefully empty the contents of my stomach. It was unpleasant, but by no means "devastating."

These people have been brainwashed by all the propaganda about "fatal doses" of nicotine. They take the dose of nicotine thought to be fatal, compare it to the total amount of nicotine in a container, and conclude that the contents of the container would kill a child if ingested. What really happens is that the nicotine triggers vomiting, which eliminates the vast majority of nicotine from the system. Nicotine that isn't in the system cannot kill the child.

During the past 27 years, the only child death related to tobacco involved a child that had both cigarettes and Valium in his system. Perhaps the Valium suppressed the body's natural defense mechanism against nicotine poisoning. Or perhaps the Valium itself killed the child.

The majority of cases require no medical treatment whatsoever. For example in 2009, out of 8,774 tobacco exposures, 1602 cases were treated in a medical facility, and only 4 cases were considered "Major". Of 1,307 pharmaceutical nicotine exposures, 315 were treated in a medical facility, and 2 cases were considered Major. There were no Deaths in either category.

Perhaps the PTA is not focusing its attention on the problems that are really the most dangerous. For example, there were 13,339 exposures to Amphetamines and Related Compounds. Of these, 4,337 required treatment in a medical facility, 75 were considered Major, and there were 3 deaths.

There were 51,999 exposures to alcoholic beverages, 4,060 treated in a medical facility, 202 were considered Major, and there were 8 Deaths.
Search words: nicotine poison poisoning death
 
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Vocalek ...
Excellent information and statistics to share with fellow members.
My questions is: Do you really think the PTA would even be interested in such information?
I just can't get "King County Board of Health" out of my head. They finally admitted that health
was not the issue...They just didn't want to see anything that would remind them of smoking.

They obviously are not. I got banned for citing the current research on e-cigarettes that dismisses their notion there is no scientific research on it.
 

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You gotta love how the PTA is all up in arms over e-cigs in public places. When you are at a restaurant in Utah, you are probably more likely to be around someone with a gun under their coat. I have no problem with guns or CCP, but considering the relative danger levels of the two items, the uproar over e-cigs is ridiculous.

Has the PTA considered the possibility of that gun being left at the table or accidentally dropped. The results for a child could be deadly plus they don't have an on/off switch just that silly safety.
 

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