Article: World's Top Scientist's Issue Surprising Statement on ECigs

[Kenna]

Just sharing to help keep up on the current arguements & statements.
The World's Top Scientists Just Issued a Surprising Statement on E-Cigarettes - Mic

 

[Bikenstein]

Entertaining..........

 

[stevegmu]

Big tobacco for once is backing the scientists, insisting the devices allow smokers to have a less-risky alternative.

Analyst Richard Essex says that "hard qualitative analysis showed that political, social and economic factors are now major challenges for" tobacco companies. And while these giants would obviously prefer that people keep buying the 6 trillion traditional cigarettes sold worldwide each year, major tobacco companies like Philip Morris see huge survival and growth opportunities in electronic smoking devices.

Interesting...

 

[Painter_]

Wow, dug that article up from the past. May 30, 2014.

 

[Kenna]

Wow, dug that article up from the past. May 30, 2014.

Blaming FB.

 

[siapaya]

8 out of 10 people who discover that now I'm vaping, will say this as their initial reaction :

1. It's more hazardous then cigarette
2. It will make you more addictive ( this one I kinda agree, but who will not addicted to warm and nice flavored cloud ? )
3. You should stop both, the analogs and the vape.

Few people are actually understand that vaping is an alternative of a healthier lifestyle compare to smoking analogs.

We do need more scientific support and publication to let the world now, vaping is better than smoking, less ( not 100% ) dangerous than smoking, and an important alternative for smoking cessation activity.

I keep on lurking in this forum to get empowerment, that I do the right thing by switching from smoking to vaping. Like I said, 8 out of 10 people who see me vape, they will said above 3 comments.

 

[stevegmu]

Why care what others think?

 

[klynnn]

The propaganda media has done it's job well.

 

[AndriaD]

People who try to tell me things that start with "You should..." get a deaf ear.... at the very least. If they persist, they may get a more violent reaction.

Andria

 

[OCD]

siapaya, vaping had tons of momentum because of its initial success. Millions of former smokers found reprieve from smoking with a vapor with some flavor and this took a toll on the incomes of tobacco companies and governments addicted to revenues from those smokers who no longer contributed.

It is sad that media and corrupt industry can turn a truth to such a degree that it will as sure as you know vaping has been good for you their message will KILL MILLIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS. Yes this is sad and until we see those who are constructing this misinformation on trial against the damages they are trading for their dollars it will continue.

I am particularly dismayed that the very organizations that are charged with protecting our health appear to be bought and paid for by an industry that they have been to our eyes fighting for decades and the ultimate gall is in the medical organizations that have a supposed oath to protect health that fall lock (goose)step in line providing supposed scientific reasoning for the policies being enacted.

I apologize if I have drifted from the thread, this whole thing just sickens me when I begin to think of what it means in the grander scale and what some would trade for for material gain.

 

[wv2win]

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I am particularly dismayed that the very organizations that are charged with protecting our health appear to be bought and paid for by an industry that they have been to our eyes fighting for decades...............

So called "public health" and medical organizations like ACS, ALA, etc are definitely "bought and paid for" but not by Big Tobacco (not that BT are our friends). The bigger and much more powerful industry that dictates what these groups must exclaim about vaping is the Big Pharmaceutical Industry who are losing millions from their largely ineffective NRT products due to the success of vaping as the true alternative to smoking. And you can make the case that they will lose substantially more if millions avoid the big "C" by switching to vaping. It is BP that has tried to shut down vaping as far back as 2008, way before BT was in the picture.

 

[AndriaD]

So called "public health" and medical organizations like ACS, ALA, etc are definitely "bought and paid for" but not by Big Tobacco (not that BT are our friends). The bigger and much more powerful industry that dictates what these groups must exclaim about vaping is the Big Pharmaceutical Industry who are losing millions from their largely ineffective NRT products due to the success of vaping as the true alternative to smoking. And you can make the case that they will lose substantially more if millions avoid the big "C" by switching to vaping. It is BP that has tried to shut down vaping as far back as 2008, way before BT was in the picture.

They just can't wrap their trillionaire minds around the simple fact of Supply & Demand -- if there is no demand for a product, then it doesn't matter how much supply there is. If the reason there is no demand is because a better and more effective product exists, that's high school economics. And they also can't seem to figure out that the cat is already out of the bag -- even if the products we now know and use become expensive or unavailable, people now know how to make their own -- from hardware to ejuice. High school economics, and these multi-trillionaires can't figure it out.

Now, if they ever decided to include WTA in any of their NRT products, there might be a LOT more demand for them... but they won't, of course, because that would take money away not only from ineffective NRT and eventual cancer/COPD drugs, but also their VERY lucrative antidepressant market. And I've known for years now, their feelings on that: pony up the big bucks, or go ahead and kill yourself, we don't care which.

Andria

 

[VNeil]

8 out of 10 people who discover that now I'm vaping, will say this as their initial reaction :

1. It's more hazardous then cigarette
2. It will make you more addictive ( this one I kinda agree, but who will not addicted to warm and nice flavored cloud ? )
3. You should stop both, the analogs and the vape.

Few people are actually understand that vaping is an alternative of a healthier lifestyle compare to smoking analogs.

We do need more scientific support and publication to let the world now, vaping is better than smoking, less ( not 100% ) dangerous than smoking, and an important alternative for smoking cessation activity.

I keep on lurking in this forum to get empowerment, that I do the right thing by switching from smoking to vaping. Like I said, 8 out of 10 people who see me vape, they will said above 3 comments.

I was raised to be polite. When I see an obese person, I do not walk up to them and say "you are fat. You need to go on a diet. Do you have any idea how bad that is for you? How many years you will take off your life?

But I fairly regularly have people saying the same thing to me, about my vaping, often either perfect strangers or people I was just introduced to. Why is it that all the normal rules of etiquette in our culture go out the window when it comes to vaping? And smoking of course.

After mulling this a bit, the next fat person that tries that with me is going to get a taste of their own medicine. I'm on a mission

 

[VNeil]

.... (snip) even if the products we now know and use become expensive or unavailable, people now know how to make their own -- from hardware to ejuice.....(snip)
Andria

All they need to do is control nicotine. As I understand it, Australia is a good model for that. That's why so many people (like me) have liters of concentrated nic stockpiled, but the shelf life questions... plus we are just a chosen few pioneers that will do that.

 

[AndriaD]

I was raised to be polite. When I see an obese person, I do not walk up to them and say "you are fat. You need to go on a diet. Do you have any idea how bad that is for you? How many years you will take off your life?

But I fairly regularly have people saying the same thing to me, about my vaping, often either perfect strangers or people I was just introduced to. Why is it that all the normal rules of etiquette in our culture go out the window when it comes to vaping? And smoking of course.

After mulling this a bit, the next fat person that tries that with me is going to get a taste of their own medicine. I'm on a mission

I'm going to do the same. Also -- coffee and/or alcohol drinkers!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

All they need to do is control nicotine. As I understand it, Australia is a good model for that. That's why so many people (like me) have liters of concentrated nic stockpiled, but the shelf life questions... plus we are just a chosen few pioneers that will do that.

You make a good point, though if they try to remove nicotine from the wide accessibility it now enjoys, I foresee some lawsuits, given that the nicotine is the same exact nicotine that is used in BP's NRT products.

Be that as it may, I've already figured out that if liquid nicotine does become unavailable, then I will have to get my nic from patches, while I continue to vape zero-nic -- I already know that patches alone will not keep me from smoking, but patches plus a placebo, that may well work just fine. More expensive, certainly, which would motivate me to cut down my nic consumption much faster than nicotine-eliquid would do, but still workable.

Of course, I'm stockpiling nicotine, and will continue to do so as long as I may -- so perhaps I could make my own steadily-decreasing-nic ejuice until that runs out, and never need to resort to BP's stupid patches at all -- but I'd still need my vape, if I want to stay off cigarettes.

Andria

 

[VNeil]

I'm going to do the same. Also -- coffee and/or alcohol drinkers!

Andria

I would handle coffee very differently. I would just smugly point out that nicotine, by itself, is about as benign as caffeine. I'd rather go after obese people because there I don't have to argue against all the Stalinist propaganda. The detrimental effects of obesity are well understood and accepted, where any argument about nicotine gets into a long lecture. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood to work that hard and sometimes the circumstances are not right. So I pick those spots carefully. But I do love doing that in the right situation, in the right mood.

Alcohol... sigh. I think that might be a tough one, unless you've watched someone down 4 or 5 drinks. But considering I am usually in a bar when this happens, I think I will add that to my repertoire too!

"Madame, you are fat and drunk. And rude. If you had not criticized me, a perfect stranger, for my lifestyle choices, I would never have thought to tell you, a perfect stranger, that you will surely die from liver failure, diabetes or heart disease long before I die vaping"

How's that ring? I need something short and sweet

 

[VNeil]

You make a good point, though if they try to remove nicotine from the wide accessibility it now enjoys, I foresee some lawsuits, given that the nicotine is the same exact nicotine that is used in BP's NRT products.....so perhaps I could make my own steadily-decreasing-nic ejuice until that runs out, and never need to resort to BP's stupid patches at all -- but I'd still need my vape, if I want to stay off cigarettes.

Andria

That is my plan too, to decrease my nic content, only because I'm concerned about future price or even availability. I don't believe there is anything at all wrong with nic, based on all the evidence provided here. As far as a law suit, I don't think it would fly. Ask the Australians. And some USA states are trying to do it right now, including making liquid nicotine illegal to be sold, or shipped into the state, just like cigs. The argument would be something along the lines of the idea that NRT's are all FDA approved and regulated, and that process costs a fortune and is a huge barrier to entry for anyone other than BP. Concentrated nic would fall outside that, and can you imagine what an ounce bottle of juice would cost at patch prices? Plus "special taxes" and whatever else they throw into the mix?

ETA: in the eventuality we are discussing, you likely will never run out of nic, it will just go bad (shelf life). If the stuff could be shelved for 20 years I would own 10 liters right now. I have 2 liters, and that is probably "too much" although I'm uncertain about the real world shelf life in a freezer, in a fully filled glass bottle.

 

[AndriaD]

That is my plan too, to decrease my nic content, only because I'm concerned about future price or even availability. I don't believe there is anything at all wrong with nic, based on all the evidence provided here. As far as a law suit, I don't think it would fly. Ask the Australians. And some USA states are trying to do it right now, including making liquid nicotine illegal to be sold, or shipped into the state, just like cigs. The argument would be something along the lines of the idea that NRT's are all FDA approved and regulated, and that process costs a fortune and is a huge barrier to entry for anyone other than BP. Concentrated nic would fall outside that, and can you imagine what an ounce bottle of juice would cost at patch prices? Plus "special taxes" and whatever else they throw into the mix?

ETA: in the eventuality we are discussing, you likely will never run out of nic, it will just go bad (shelf life). If the stuff could be shelved for 20 years I would own 10 liters right now. I have 2 liters, and that is probably "too much" although I'm uncertain about the real world shelf life in a freezer, in a fully filled glass bottle.

In glass bottles in the freezer, around here I've heard 2-4 yrs tossed around. I think I have, right now, somewhat more than a year's worth, and definitely plan to get more.

Keeping it cold (it doesn't actually freeze), and protecting it from air and light seem to be the main ways of keeping it viable. So, I keep it in small (30ml) brown glass bottles. My own experience, with 30ml brown glass bottles in the fridge (the bottle I'm currently using from), it doesn't change in any way I can detect in 3 months' time. And bottles I've removed from the freezer to start using from, haven't changed or degraded in any way I can detect, in 6 months' time. So I'm optimistic about long shelf-life, with freezer-storage in dark glass. I do have a nicotine testing kit, but with storage of 100mg, even if it slightly degrades in terms of strength, it would still be plenty strong enough for substantial dilution as ejuice.

 

[siapaya]

I was raised to be polite. When I see an obese person, I do not walk up to them and say "you are fat. You need to go on a diet. Do you have any idea how bad that is for you? How many years you will take off your life?

But I fairly regularly have people saying the same thing to me, about my vaping, often either perfect strangers or people I was just introduced to. Why is it that all the normal rules of etiquette in our culture go out the window when it comes to vaping? And smoking of course.

After mulling this a bit, the next fat person that tries that with me is going to get a taste of their own medicine. I'm on a mission

Wow, how do you even know I'm obese ? You are great sample chooser!!