ASH takes credit for New York's Unanimous 125-0 Vote to Ban e-cigarette Following Email From ASH

[DC2]

I'm going to keep searching the forum for more info, for my own education...any handy links you folks might be able to suggest would be great.

Here are the three things I would start with...

1) The FDA study on the njoy and Smoking Everywhere cartridges
2) The njoy sponsered independant review and rebuttal to the FDA study
3) Information on the use of propylene glycol as an antimicrobial agent

I don't have any links handy, but I believe these are all gathered together on the CASAA website (www.casaa.org) and there are probably a few people here who have the links handy without having to search for them.

But if you have ANY trouble finding any of them, let me know.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

I had a look at that ASH 'anti' petition page. It made me laugh.
Notice how the woman is right up in the face of the other person, inundating her with vapour? Evil ...... Typical e-cig user. If that is a 901 she is using, and it produces that much vapour, i'll have one please.
The guy to the left. Note how his eyes seem glazed over, like he is sucking on a crack pipe or something? He is almost in another world. How can such an evil, vile, habit be legal?
I did LOL.

A new device for addicted smokers who want to be able to get their nicotine fix by “smoking” in places where smoking is prohibited, and do so by exhaling a cloud of “smoke” made up of a chemical which is both toxic and addictive.

Note all of the anti-descriptors used to make the e-cig look like the staff of satan? WTF?
Damn. What a tit.

 

[wltec]

it may be getting to the point, where a proactive stance is needed. example :
- letters/emails to the media, such as in NY or local, asking for appropriate news coverage and discussion regarding independent lab test results of the ecigs and products. (which are contrary to the FDA results)
- success stories of kicking the dependence,
- I see a few md's posting positive results on youtube, maybe they would like to be given a broader audience and coverage. (please no talking sock puppets )
- finding likewise minded health professionals .
maybe a donation based private ad's and article campaign to further this cause.
If the mainstream can keep this ecig use -as a fringe group opponent they are in total control .
Just a thought.
Walt

 

[v1John]

I wonder, how much would it cost for CASAA and/or Vapors Coalition to buy 300 seconds of national prime time T.V.?

I have another question too, how much would it cost for the same, to run only in New York T.V.?

 

[DC2]

I wonder, how much would it cost for CASAA and/or Vapors Coalition to buy 300 seconds of national prime time T.V.?

I have another question too, how much would it cost for the same, to run only in New York T.V.?

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The standard half-hour of television contains 22 minutes of program and 8 minutes of commercials - 6 minutes for national and 2 minutes for local. National advertising is obviously your most expensive option, but even then the rates vary by Nielsen-rated viewership. Highly-watched programs can command rates in the millions of dollars. For example, a 30-second spot during the 2005 Superbowl sold for $2.4 million. Commercials during less-watched programs are more affordable, but the cost of those commercials may still run in excess of $100,000 per 30-seconds.

 

[v1John]

Thanks DC2, here is a better excerpt, if we start out small. I mean we as vapers, perhaps the Vapors Coalition and CASAA, and hey, how about e-cigarette-forum ? !

From the same link by DC2:

Most small- to medium-sized business owners find that local advertising fits better with their budgets and marketing goals. A 30-second time slot in a medium-sized market can be purchased for as little as $5 per 1,000 viewers, meaning that you could easily expect to pay less than $100 per commercial slot. Even cheaper rates may be available for off-hour programming.

If anyone here at ECF seconds my idea, please start a thread in the suitable subforum, someone who knows more than I do, and let me know, or I'll probably find it anyway.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!

 

[KuiHiggins]

You know how every now and then you come across something (or someone) so egregiously disgusting, so effed up in the head, so completely putrid, that you have no words to describe the kind of bile that churns inside your stomach?

Yeah, that.

Yeah, that.

#1

 

[v1John]

It's not the PG so much, since the moment they tried to vilify that they would be easily countered by it being FDA approved and sold at feckin wal-mart. Not to mention used in so many other things.

It's the mystery chemicals that all these crusading zealots imply is in an ecig, sure there's carcinogens, can't get nicotine currently without carcinogens due to the way it's processed, but it is certainly a damn sight less in concentration than you would get from a regular cigarette. Other than that, there's really not much else.

Many times I think that TV shows or news clips about ecigs are going to help us, but now I think that they're too manipulated by the lies to be of any help.


However, Dr. Vapor made a good such point about it here.

We need a vaper's information commercial!!!
And we need one in NY now!!! :

YouTube - Rachel Ray Talks about Banning Ecigs

 

[Kate51]

I plan to write to the Office of the Surgeon General. What kind of chance you think someone there will listen to e-cigs vs smoking argument?
The new Mantra is anti-nicotine.
Not anti-smoking. The testing for workplace abstinance is nicotine based. So how can people even for one minute think that we can fight back this socially radical new bend in our country, may I ask that.
My own daughter quit smoking cold turkey four months now. She is not doing well, went to Dr. who had no idea how she could help other than prescribe anti-depressants, valium of all things.
Truth be known, no one cares about people anymore, they care much more about an ideology which I can not even comprehend in my head. Some kind of Elitist Society that stays pristine from birth to death and generously supports Big Brother.
It's fine to be a pompous ..., but not fine to smoke, or carry a Bible or a gun. That pretty well narrows it down, MHO.
This from my old RYO supplier, another ship going down:

Just an update for ya'll. We are out of the Good Stuff light, ultralight, menthol, menthol light and natural. We have very little Good Stuff full flavor left. We are also getting low on all our Golden leaf and Golden Harvest tobacco. I'm just letting ya'll know in case your holding off on ordering. If your gonna order, now is the time.

It has been a pleasure serving ya'll and we will miss doing the tobacco business. We are very sad :-(

Thanks,
Robert Aranza

www.valuetobacco.com

 

[v1John]

I wish the surgeon AND the white house would get tons of petitions and letters.

As for nicotine, it could just be a scare tactic, analogs are protected by congress.
You may work for a certain weird job, but most ubiquitous jobs for most people in the U.S., as well as the largest U.S. employer WalMart do allow smokers.



edit add--

Ships like those you mentioned will hopefully just change the product line, scientific advancements have brought the elsectronic cigarette to humanity, and just like stores that used to sell rotary phones can now sell cellphones and cellphone mods.

A local tobacco store now sells disposable ecigs and about 20 or more tobacco flavor bottles.

 

[Kate51]

One closed door another opens...sounds nice, but yes there's a time for everything. The brick and mortar stores are ok for time being, but the mail-order malls are done for.
But why everything has to be such a "crisis" first is just mean. There's another saying, never waste a good crisis...hmmm.

 

[maureengill]

"ASH, America's first antismoking organization, and the one which started the nonsmokers' rights movement by first getting smoking restricted and ultimately banned on airplanes and in many public places, believes that nonsmokers should not be subjected to the vapors emitted by e-cig users unless and until they have conclusively been shown to be completely safe, even to children, elderly those at increased risk, and those with special medical problems."

Then maybe they should get their ashes towards talking the fda into actually testing things....

Everyone seems to state their opinions as fact...it's total bs.

Maureen

 

[Payne]

ASH cited a typical reaction from a sensitive bystander: “My first exposure to e-cigarettes was last year in a hospital. Smokers were made to go outside but 3 e-smokers plus 2 staff were using the e-cigarettes inside . . . I have lupus and the vapor irritated my nose, eyes, throat, and chest, plus the nicotine was making me feel nauseous so there must have been significant quantities in the side-vapor.”

This is bs and we all know it.

 

[Kobudo]

. . . I have lupus and the vapor irritated my nose, eyes, throat, and chest, plus the nicotine was making me feel nauseous so there must have been significant quantities in the side-vapor.”

This is bs and we all know it.

Anybody can have a reaction like this to our e-cigs, assuming they are enough of a worrier to work themselves into a psychosomatic state of ill health. The cure is to do it behind this person's back. After a week, reveal to them that they have still been "exposed," but that their symptoms have miraculously disappeared!

They probably fabricated this person and their quote. If they didn't, then this person is probably faking their lupus too.

 

[ricky59]

It is the height of hypocrisy to state that there are no scientific studies to support that people get off tobacco products using these devices (basically saying that such reports are anecdotal) and then filling the rest of the letter with ANECDOTAL reports of the dangers of e-cig vapor.

The sad thing is that the public and even politicians are too stupid to even recognize the disconnect there.

 

[Haytoni]

What I can't understand, banning e cig. from people like myself who are now vaping 0 nicotine. I don't call that logical at all.

 

[Haytoni]

It is the height of hypocrisy to state that there are no scientific studies to support that people get off tobacco products using these devices (basically saying that such reports are anecdotal) and then filling the rest of the letter with ANECDOTAL reports of the dangers of e-cig vapor.

The sad thing is that the public and even politicians are too stupid to even recognize the disconnect there.

Those idiots, don't read bills that they vote on, you want them to rationalize e cig. there is no money in it for them, so sh^^ can it.

 

[DC2]

It is the height of hypocrisy to state that there are no scientific studies to support that people get off tobacco products using these devices (basically saying that such reports are anecdotal) and then filling the rest of the letter with ANECDOTAL reports of the dangers of e-cig vapor.

Oh, you saw what they did there.

 

[Winslow]

ASH, [...] believes that nonsmokers should not be subjected to the vapors emitted by e-cig users unless and until they have conclusively been shown to be completely safe, even to children, elderly those at increased risk, and those with special medical problems.

Hey! Its just like when they proved that motor vehicle emissions have conclusively been shown to be completely safe, even to children, elderly, those with increased risk and medical problems!

...wait...



Also, in the mean time, while we wait for our "conclusive" results, we're welcome to smoke conclusively cancer-causing tobacco cigarettes, because those are legal.

 

[sl1pg8r]

If these groups really care about people's health they'd be lobbying to criminalize cigarettes. It's like making toy guns illegal because someone tripped over one and fell on a bullet.

- slip