He does have a vested interest. His Organization is funded by Phizer, the maker of Chantrix.
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He does have a vested interest. His Organization is funded by Phizer, the maker of Chantrix.
Pfizer US Medical, Scientific, Patient and Civic Organization Funding Report: Second Quarter 2009
A few Pfizer funded organizations who support our product Chantix:
Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) - tobacco Control and Education - $100,000
American Cancer Society - multiple grants
American Lung Association - Smoking Cessation Program - $1,550,000
A few Pfizer funded organizations who support our product Chantix:
Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) - tobacco Control and Education - $100,000
American Cancer Society - multiple grants
American Lung Association - Smoking Cessation Program - $1,550,000
Oh I'm sure they do, right before they cash their checks..
They are not an organization to help smokers quit. They are an organization built to demonize smokers in every way possible. Some have even suggested that smokers deserve to die. This is not a humanitarian organization, far from it.
I don't even think they are anti-tobacco.. They are just anti smoker.. They gotta nip ecigs in the .... before they run out of people to hate.
Oh yes,, I agree,,, read my first paragraph
I'm too nice a guy to understand how someone can be the way he is. I was raised to care about people,,, he must have been raised as an attack dog.
Have you all heard of the "read the bills act". An organization called downsize dc is trying to get a bill passed that would require congress to read all their bills in the house before they can be voted on. Makes sense eh? It would dramatically slow down the introduction of freedom limiting legislation, and make it harder to give new powers to bodies like the fda and such. Just thought I'd mention that as a way of curtailing the corruption. You all should google it and see if it's something you'd be willing to support.
Great. That would only further prevent the law from keeping pace with technology. That's one of the problems with e-cigs. The law didn't take into consideration that technology might gift us with a safe alternative to cigarettes that was neither a tobacco product nor an NRT product. So it will take a decade for the law to catch up with we have already learned.
Save me from citizen initiatives from simple-minded people. There are no "simple" answers in this complex world. Just hearing some of the great slogans these groups come up with makes me ill.
We don't need to slow Congress. Just the opposite, as anyone who watched the Family Smoking Act debate can attest. Give 'em all Red Bull at every break and let them press buttons to vote ... The speed of change deserves their quick attention.
Save me from citizen initiatives from simple-minded people. There are no "simple" answers in this complex world. Just hearing some of the great slogans these groups come up with makes me ill.
We don't need to slow Congress. Just the opposite, as anyone who watched the Family Smoking Act debate can attest. Give 'em all Red Bull at every break and let them press buttons to vote ... The speed of change deserves their quick attention.
I've always supported this. It would also limit the ability to tack on completely unrelated little side things that aren't the main focus of the bill, but ultimately effect everyone even more than what the bill is ostensibly for. I can't think of a real world example off the top of my head, but hypothetically:
A bill to move funds from a wasteful project in order to fix roads might include an amendment that outlaws the sale of aspirin. (totally made that up, but you get the idea).
When a representative votes "no" because they've actually read the bill and think it's stupid to outlaw aspirin, they get ostracized for not wanting the roads fixed.
Then they'd have to eliminate the ability to add the type of amendments that I mentioned in my above post. If they did that, then I'd agree with you, but the way it is now, there'd be so much crap passed that they didn't even know they were voting on there'd be a much, much bigger mess to clean up.
Class, today we are going to begin to read "War & Peace" out loud. We certainly don't trust you to read it, so we are going to read it out loud. All of it.
There are problems with Congress, AppleJackson. Only a fool can't see that. But reading bills out loud would solve nothing, become a joke and you'd end up with interns reading 25 bills at the same time to an empty chamber. No one said a Congressman has to LISTEN.
There are problems with Congress, AppleJackson. Only a fool can't see that. But reading bills out loud would solve nothing, become a joke and you'd end up with interns reading 25 bills at the same time to an empty chamber. No one said a Congressman has to LISTEN.
True, but maybe by doing that, they'd realize it was ineffective and do what I said by eliminating "tag-along" amendments that shouldn't be there in the first place. Like I said, I totally agree it should be sped up, but not at the cost of informed voting.
I'd be happy if our congressmen and senators read them at all. they don't need to read them out loud, but they do have to read them. Maybe a 5 question quiz to see if they actually did before they're allowed to vote. I have seen way too many of them admit on TV that they never read the full bill they voted on. I don't give someone a review of a book I haven't read or a movie I haven't seen, why do they think they can decide whether legislation is beneficial to their constituents without even bothering to read it. You'd think they'd be ashamed to admit they voted on something they haven't even examined, but they're not.
That's the most dangerous part about these types of amendments. When the bill is called "REBUILD OUR ROADS" and the rep hasn't read the bill entirely, they vote yes without realizing they just voted for something they totally don't agree with.
That's because it would be even more shameful to admit they knowingly voted for something that goes against what they believe in (or at least claim to).
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Your right...a lot of people had no clue that the FSPTC legislation had an attached "Thrift Savings Plan" that gave government employees gauranteed enrollment and a 3% matching fund promise beginning 6 months after enactment. This is at a time when most civilian employers were stopping the matching fund aspect of retirement income. Since our legislators are government employees...they padded their retirement with tobacco user fees.
Banzhaf should realize that if someone would get arrested it would probably cause more negative publicity for the cause ASH is after. Nice try though. Anyway, the best way to deal with ASH at the moment is to ignore them. Thats what like majority/all of news stations are doing. They are not bringing any valid points anymore so there is really no need answer to them either. I'm not actually sure if they even had any valid points though.
I haven't seen a single one from them, other than the DG found in that one cart, but that's a valid point from anyone and not one that they brought to the table. Anything they've come up with is pure speculation at best and flat-out lies most of the time.
Grand Dragon Banzhaf keeps calling E-cigs illegal. When did that happen? To my knowledge only congress can create laws, the FDA is not empowered to.
How can vendors be arrested for breaking a law which exists only in Banzhafwit's demented mind?
I wish he would step out of line and find himself in a federal prison insisting to his cellmate Brutus that he must extinguish his cigarette.
How can vendors be arrested for breaking a law which exists only in Banzhafwit's demented mind?
I wish he would step out of line and find himself in a federal prison insisting to his cellmate Brutus that he must extinguish his cigarette.
I Agree tropical Bob
One thing I've learned with computers you can make software that could read these bills and find if there are any hidden clauses and phrases or words that could bring loop holes to any bill brought to the senate. Yes these files could be corrupted but that means the IT guy is corrupted or the individual who brings the bill forward is. Which could easily be traced if using a computer. So I say to help the US congress to keep up with technology., bring on super computer (think tanks) to help out with corruption. Because if we dont were going to lose out. Think about it what took a year to get done could be done in a month or less.
One thing I've learned with computers you can make software that could read these bills and find if there are any hidden clauses and phrases or words that could bring loop holes to any bill brought to the senate. Yes these files could be corrupted but that means the IT guy is corrupted or the individual who brings the bill forward is. Which could easily be traced if using a computer. So I say to help the US congress to keep up with technology., bring on super computer (think tanks) to help out with corruption. Because if we dont were going to lose out. Think about it what took a year to get done could be done in a month or less.
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That runs the same risk as the system they have now though. They're not going to read it, even in shorthand, most likely. And what if they don't have the right keyword in their software to bring up a "red-flag"? The answer is full (forced, if need be) disclosure, or better yet, separation of any of these type of unrelated amendments. Speed it up. Take out the hidden stuff. Make that stuff a separate bill. Don't allow them to vote on their own salary.
I'd expect nothing less from those anti-smoking nazis.....
No f***** kidding.
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