Aspire Has just released the new Plato Mod!

[Tpat591]

Correct, nautilus/Triton mini are compatible/interchangeable with each other. The Plato, at least as of now, does not accept Atlantis/Triton coils. You may like the .4 ohm cletio coil the Plato takes. I dont have the Cletio but everyone seems to like those coils.

Id give it a try. If you dont like it you could sell it on the classifieds here and get most of your money back.

Been vaping w/ TC since I got into the Vapor Flask clones in March 2014 except for Egips w/ RBA base on the go. Have a number of DNA200s now and have wanted a really good TC all in one for literally years. Thought I might find that in Nebox but early units were downright dangerous and while later units are much, much better (4 now that I reach past DNA200s to use at times), yet they are are not ideal as they are not firmware upgrade-able and are somewhat unreliable but also now somewhat passable in TC modes. The all-in-ones are the most usable form factor on the go & on the job and I have been on the quest for the perfect one for the longest time. This market segment has the most potential in all of vaping when we finally get a proper unit fielded from one of the major manufacturers, but it is also the most improperly understood and largely ignored segment by those same manufacturers. More & more are hitting the market, but just not hitting the mark.

Was really hoping this one could be a contender, but it is starting to seem as if the search will continue for a long time to come. These Cleito coils you speak of are Clapton non TC based so kind of pointless on a TC Mod as far as I'm concerned. Ordered the 0.4 ohm non-TC coils & I'll give them a try, but TC coils last sooooooo much longer and provide much better, cleaner more satisfying flavor once you get used to TC vaping and release the need for burnt organic matter in the vapor cloud stream. Sadly, Joyetech has the ability to field a properly designed all-in-one very easily, but refuses to part ways with the completely inadequate Egrip design (due to airflow and battery life) at this point.

I have tried Atlantis coils in the Supertank KS and they seem respectable but do fall far short of my Aromamizers on a DNA200. Think I could get by with them in TC Mode but it sounds like these Nautilus coils will fall far short of that.

At any rate I will have this in hand within three to four days & run it through its paces for a while prior to making a decision to keep it or not. I will probably keep it under the assumption that PERHAPS they will adapt a chimney to allow the use of the Atlantis coils as well or bring out TC Coils based on this Cleito Subohm design shortly. But really, I ask you, how frigging tough is it to stick some Titanium T1 or Ni200 wire in the coiling machines instead of Kantahal or Clapton wire & run them for a week or two each in preparation of the release of a TC Mod? Why design a mod that works in Ni200 & Titanium modes but not offer coils using those wires as well as the Kanthal ones at the release inside the Starter Kits? What is wrong with this picture? What were they thinking? They have a mod design that allows easy user serviceability and disassembly for cleaning yet with all this battery tray space in there they couldn't try to fit larger Pyrex tube in there to give it 10ml+ capacity with the larger coil design & more with the smaller?

Starting to think I'll need to take this apart, buy an Evolv DNA75 chip, get the top display screen from the Liqua Qube, rip apart a Nebox and install the coil base & threading from that, get a 22mm Pyrex Tube long enough to make up the difference with custom seals while soldering a new chimney together using the top threading chimney mount of an Egrip VT & cobble my own unit together from from these pieces in order to find something even close to what I am looking for from an all in one mod. Be the most expensive unit ever made but would come lot closer than anything I am currently seeing in the marketplace.

My apologies all for this rant, but I am disappointed at realizing that this is in all probability yet another device I have spent money on that will fall far short of my hopes for and all-in-one that meets my needs.

Rant over. Sorry for that. Carry on.

 

[Hyperspace]

@Tpat591 You can use Triton Mini TC coils in the Plato.

 

[Tpat591]

@Tpat591 You can use Triton Mini TC coils in the Plato.

I get that & actually ordered ni200 ones from FT already that have not shipped. I was just ...... that the Atlantis RBA was a no go and the expected airflow was apparently dream. Acting out in a bad way & I'm sorry for that. Not very mature.

Manufacturers get my fur up in a bunch when they ignore what I consider perfectly reasonable thinking in their designs of new releases in this market segment.

 

[dsheik]

Good points. I suspect more coil options will become available especially in regards to the Cletio style coil that the Plato takes. There are several MTL options including TC for the nautilus/Triton mini coils, but as of now only they have the .4 ohm non TC Cletio for direct lung. Aspire would be foolish to have that one coil as the only option. Im certain they will produce more resistance options and TC in the Cletio style. And to your point they should have had more coil options available at the release of the mod. The device itself still appears to be another step forward in the all in one devices, but we'll have to see how it actually performs.

I dont even plan on buying any of their coils. Im banking on that nautilus RBA piece being compatible. I wick with rayon so I never get dry or burnt hits, even when the tank looks empty. It works great in the mini nautilus but Id love to transfer it over to an all in one device to take on the go.

If you do break it down and essentially build your own version with various parts keep us updated.

 

[Tpat591]

Good points. I suspect more coil options will become available especially in regards to the Cletio style coil that the Plato takes. There are several MTL options including TC for the nautilus/Triton mini coils, but as of now only they have the .4 ohm non TC Cletio for direct lung. Aspire would be foolish to have that one coil as the only option. Im certain they will produce more resistance options and TC in the Cletio style. And to your point they should have had more coil options available at the release of the mod. The device itself still appears to be another step forward in the all in one devices, but we'll have to see how it actually performs.

I dont even plan on buying any of their coils. Im banking on that nautilus RBA piece being compatible. I wick with rayon so I never get dry or burnt hits, even when the tank looks empty. It works great in the mini nautilus but Id love to transfer it over to an all in one device to take on the go.

If you do break it down and essentially build your own version with various parts keep us updated.

Probably not really gonna happen but this case/sled design actually makes this a possibility for the first time ever, so major advance in this segment there & I give them Kudos for stumbling on that in this design. Shame the DNA75 changed the up/down button format from one similar to this to one over the other as an Escibe driven custom unit would be really cool. I guess I always hold out hopes the manufacturers read these threads and are open to incorporating concepts they read into future designs. Dream on right?

Again, sorry for my behavior.

 

[drugarth]

I have the VVTF nautilus RBA and will give it a try when the Plato gets here. I am pretty sure it will work, but I'll report back in when it gets here.
I am also counting on Aspire to release a dedicated RBA for the Plato at some point.

I do think the Plato already supports a decent range of coils, we got 3 triton mini coils, the nautilus coils (inc. all the third party coils like the TC from vapor Shark) and the Plato only sub-ohm coils. So not too shabby in my opinion.
Aspire gets kudos for me to make it work with what probaly is the most sold coil on the planet instead of forcing a bunch of new coils on us. Yea it would be better if it also took regular cleito coils, but I assume that didn't work else they would have, as this would be to their benefit also.
So in the coil department you get no complaints from me, that is as soon as they release a RBA for it of which I'm confident they will.

 

[Appeltaart]

Aspire releasing this as a TC mod without supplying any TC coils is just plain wrong. This should've been released with SS support and SS coils. I'm not buying products that show potential when there's plenty of products that already deliver on their promise.

 

[Tpat591]

Aspire releasing this as a TC mod without supplying any TC coils is just plain wrong. This should've been released with SS support and SS coils. I'm not buying products that show potential when there's plenty of products that already deliver on their promise.

Agree completely, but bought it on an impulse half thinking about how easy the unit would be to modify at a later date. (The thought of a DNA75 pushing a TC all-in-one was definitely in the back of my mind.) Never even really investigated the TC Subohm coil availability figuring Fasttech was just slow in stocking Ni200 & Ti versions.

Haven't met a stock coil that wasn't able to be rebuilt with a little effort, but these custom Cleitos have me stumped without yet having seen one in in person. Looks like you just sort of pull the center post & grommet dropping the coil out the base but it might be easier to do it if that was a press fit or reverse threaded seam just below the juice holes. Tend to believe the non TC coils wont last all that long prior to needing replacement with certain juices. After that, we will find out whether they can be recoiled with non TC wires within short order, especially if TC coils are not made available quickly.

 

[Tpat591]

Spent about 50 minutes getting the run around from 2 separate Aspire online chat agents last night. The first was too busy to help me. Pertinent part follows:

Fenny: yes, we only have triton mini NI200 TC coils for plato at present.
for Ti or other material, it is not available at present, but we will pass your sugestions to our product manager.
Me: I have recently been made aware of that, My question both in the Topic and conversation was specifically asking when subohm TC coils would be made available. You are a coil manufacturer that just market a TC Mod? One would think you would have manufactured TC coils in both styles for sale before releasing it so you could sell them. Right? One would think you would know when they would be made available?
Fenny: we do not have the plan at present.
but i will pass your suggestion to our product manager and R&D department, hope they will take it into consideration.

Took 25 minutes and two agents to get that answer. Rest of time was me explaining three more times that that really does not work for me because I am no longer a MTL Vaper but have transitioned to DTL vaping. They kept telling me for that I need to use the .04ohm Plato coils & me explaining I wanted to use them with TC Wires & asking when they would be introduced in NI200 & Ti or an RBA would be available whereupon we would circle back to a repeat of the conversation above.

It appears at least the Short answer is that they have no plans to introduce TC coils in the larger diameter coil versions any time soon.

Feel free to check with them yourselves. Hopefully you will have better luck and a more positive experience communicating with them than I did.

 

[dsheik]

I still believed they will want to expand on the direct lung coil options for the Plato. If the Plato is a hit I can even see aftermarket coil makers like atom Vapes, etc produce their own Plato compatible coils. Thats the beauty of this mod, we have full access to the tank and coil area where chimney adapters could be produced to fit a wide range of coils, similar to the chimney piece Aspires using to make the Nautilus/Triton mini coils work in the Plato.

I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the gray Plato at NWVapes. Really liked the weathered gold so on Focalecig I added it to cart, then viewed cart, thats where in red lettering it says restocking, I deleted it and went to NWVapes.

Hopefully for the guys that already preordered the weathered gold, they get it in stock and get it shipped this week.
I just didnt want to wait any more.

 

[Appeltaart]

It appears at least the Short answer is that they have no plans to introduce TC coils in the larger diameter coil versions any time soon.

Releasing a TC mod without TC coils is little short of a scam. I'm glad I decided not to order this yet. Thanks for getting some official feedback!

 

[Tpat591]

Releasing a TC mod without TC coils is little short of a scam. I'm glad I decided not to order this yet. Thanks for getting some official feedback!

You may want to seek independant verification as this was one of the more challenging of many Chinese Vendor email chats I have had in the past. It was done on the official Aspire Plato site page Aspire - Aspire Plato with the orange contact button on the right side of the page.

I don't know that it is a scam so much as utter mismanagement and stupidity. You would think a coil manufacturer would have a vested interest in manufactuing these larger coils in various TC wires at release of the mod so they can sell all of them while the customer is excited with his new purchase and wants to spend his money to buy one set of all the options,try them out, and buy more of what ones they like thereafter.

Instead they will force the customer to figure out a way to rebuild the coils themselves with their wire of choice at a greatly reduced cost. STUPID.

 

[Tpat591]

My Plato from Vapenw was delivered to the house today. Cannot fault Vapenw shipping at all. Sometimes it amazes me they can get things from one coast to another faster than USPS can get a letter mailed from two towns over to me.

• Smart looking little unit in Grey with the Black Plastic Border.
  
• 3mm taller than Nebox & Nebox is 17mm wider than Plato so it is a nice size.
  
• No button rattle at all.
• All Buttons have satisfying click to them.
• Unit seems well built.
  
• Came with the smaller Mini Triton 1.8ohm coil installed so I figured I better try that coil first as that is what the TC coil would be for airflow. Ran it at a modest 12w.
  
• Went to fill it with a glass eyedropper as fill hole seemed more than adequate diameter to take juice from the tip and allow air to escape simultaneously, it did not and a whole dropper's worth of juice spilled all over tube and down inside the mod. Cleaned that up but juice was trapped behind the tank that I could not clean out with a paper towel without removing tank, causing more of a mess.
• It appears that to use a glass dropper to fill you need to open both top and bottom ports meaning you really can't fill it up all way.
• Ended up transferring juice to needle tip bottle and slowly filling from top hole only and needed to insert the needle well into the tank to avoid more juice backups.
  
• You will see what I'm talking about watching reviewers try to fill unit while doing their level headed best to make it look like an easy fill. It is a bit of a challenge at first, but I'm sure an easy method is quickly found.
• The juice that was trapped behind tank continued to ooze out for quite a while & I had to repeatedly open unit and clean over next half hour while charging.
• There is no "Pass Thru" feature which allows you to use mod while charging it. Must have absentmindedly tried 15 - 20 times to vape off it while charging as I regularly do so with all my Nebox units, cursing each and every time that it didn't work and I was stupid enough to keep doing it.
  
• I don't have to tell you Nautilus vapers what the coils are like but for me coming from Nebox vaping since early November its like sucking a golf ball through a garden hose just to get a hit out of it. It is not really as bad as I thought it would be though and does have noticeably better stock airflow through the Triton Mini coil than my Joyetech CL drilled base Egrips do.
• Coil has decent flavor I guess but even after charging with a full tank & several un-powered hits while charging, coil was giving bland hits at first and took a while to start to come into their own (might still not be there). (Have to admit that I have been spoiled by Nebox's flavor even on stock coils in comparison to this).
• I have vaped approximately 4/5 if a tank and battery indicator appears to be between 1/2 & 1/3.

At this point I would consider a purchase of a Plato unit worthy of serious consideration, especially for beginners & MTL vapers with the Triton coils. Definite step up for Egrip CL and VT users in the current Triton coil configuration. NI200 Mini Triton coils are available separately, but not included with the TC mod. As I have not yet tried the Plato Clieto style coils I will have to revisit that at a later time. I believe the tank configuration and fill method good for cleaning but unnecessarily messy and wasteful in filling & changing coils, although this can be mitigated with proper precautions and practices. I will say I consider the lack Triton Mini Ti coils and lack of TC Plato Clieto style coils of any type a negative that is difficult to justify by the manufacturer to any reasonable mind and unfathomable to me personally.

 

[Tpat591]

• Vaped tank pretty much dry and tried to drain rest back into a bottle. Ran down metal due to surface tension and went everywhere except intended.
• Battery indicator icon was about 1/3.
• Switched over Plato Cleito Sytle coil
  
• Filling was done w/ dropper again at 45deg downward angle and was doable. And deviation from that angle & juice backs up
• Sat for 5min & ran it up to 30w
  
• Much more airflow than Nebox but almost no vapor @ 30w w/ long ramp.
• Pushed it up to 40w, then 45 and got about 3-4 kinda nice, but not flavorful hits w/ long ramp up, then pretty much nothing
• Battery Indicator Icon was showing a battery level as high as the digits of the ohms readout but battery applied volts was below 4.2v.
• Charging & bed time.

 

[Tpat591]

• Utterly huge airflow & nice flavor with Plato Cleito Style Coils. Very impressed. These are going to make that tank very small indeed requiring multiple refills and a significantly increased juice budget.
  
• Find myself using an airflow control ring on settings other than wide open for the first time ever.
• Mistakenly loaded tank with a Banana Cream Pie juice I use very occasionally and it was just way too heavy & way too much for me with this coil.
• I am literally having the first asthma attack I have had since I stopped smoking at end of 2013 so need to stop & recover while I dump tank, clean & switch.

 

[Tpat591]

Went to Vapenw as I was toying with ordering more. See they are back up to $49.99. Knew I should have just ordered two in in Grey in the beginning. Have to wait for another Sale now.

 

[dsheik]

Went to Vapenw as I was toying with ordering more. See they are back up to $49.99. Knew I should have just ordered two in in Grey in the beginning. Have to wait for another Sale now.

I noticed that. I was lucky and got my order in Tuesday night, so I got the same deal you did. I noticed a couple other vendors Id been watching did the same thing.

Keep your eye on http://www.ecigcharleston.com/Ecigcharleston-Closeout-s/257.htm
They rotate most of their items onto the Deal of the Day. The Plato will be on it at some point, you just never know what day.

 

[Tpat591]

Could be a MRP thing though.

If you see it drop, let us know! The Plato unit has merit, Plato 0.4 coils deliver, but wicking slots are so high on coil you can't even come close to draining the tank without running the risk of dry hits. If there was ever a need for a TC coil in a TC mod, this is it! Really am stumped by design and implementation choices Aspire made on this.

If you look at a Cleito coil the Wicking slots are much lower on the coil. It is just wacky to have them so high.

 

[dsheik]

Could be a MRP thing though.

If you see it drop, let us know! The Plato unit has merit, Plato 0.4 coils deliver, but wicking slots are so high on coil you can't even come close to draining the tank without running the risk of dry hits. If there was ever a need for a TC coil in a TC mod, this is it! Really am stumped by design and implementation choices Aspire made on this.

If you look at a Cleito coil the Wicking slots are much lower on the coil. It is just wacky to have them so high.

I will. Hang in there with the .4 coils, Im glad their working good for you. I agree they rushed it without having the market covered for coil preferences, but I would bet money they will expand on the cletio options. They already have a wide range on the MTL. I also think they will release a dedicated RBA for the Plato. They stated they plan on releasing a RBA for the actual Cletio tank. I think the Plato will be getting one too, and due to the size limitations of the nautilus/triton mini, Id bet they go with the cletio style coil for that.

IMO its clearly the best all in one out there right now. With Joyetech and Kangers limitations on their side by sides I never really considered them even though Ive wanted an all in one device for some time. Now that Aspire knocked the door down with full access to the tank/chamber area, air flow control, uploadable firmware upgrades the rest will have to follow suit.

 

[Tpat591]

I will. Hang in there with the .4 coils, Im glad their working good for you. I agree they rushed it without having the market covered for coil preferences, but I would bet money they will expand on the cletio options. They already have a wide range on the MTL. I also think they will release a dedicated RBA for the Plato. They stated they plan on releasing a RBA for the actual Cletio tank. I think the Plato will be getting one too, and due to the size limitations of the nautilus/triton mini, Id bet they go with the cletio style coil for that.

IMO its clearly the best all in one out there right now. With Joyetech and Kangers limitations on their side by sides I never really considered them even though Ive wanted an all in one device for some time. Now that Aspire knocked the door down with full access to the tank/chamber area, air flow control, uploadable firmware upgrades the rest will have to follow suit.

What Aspire did do was allow access to tank for maintenance/cleaning & incrporate Airflow control. I don't know that is breaking down a door. The layout of the mod is relatively compact & space efficient except they had the ability to install a much larger capacity tank, did not, and really shot themselves in the foot by assembling an overly complicated, inefficient and messy tank system. While it is nice they provided Mini Triton coil Support to ignore Atlantis/Triton/Cleito support in favor of this dedicated Plato Style coil makes me scratch my head and failure to provide TC options in available compatible coil lines is absurd.

These Plato style 0.4ohm coils can be pushed up to 70w, yet the mod is capable of only 50w. Without TC coils I cannot confirm there is an active preheat in TC and the ramp for these larger coils is significant. In order to shorten the ramp, I push more power, & am running way too hot in later stages of my pull. With the wicking slot position, it would be all too easy to get dry hits and burn your wicks under these conditions.

See they are only now announcing SS Cleito coil availability for that tank, not that they are compatible with Plato. I know that because of an email from one of my support agents the other night trying to show me how they listen to customer feedback and asking for a review from me of my experience with the mod.