Well, Good for them! Thank you, Aspire.
And thank you, Guzz, for posting this information.
Now about that mystery fiber....
Aspire Nautilus has a Chromed Brass chimney.
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Well, Good for them! Thank you, Aspire.
And thank you, Guzz, for posting this information.
Now about that mystery fiber....
Ever so cynical, Tibs.
Wait,....wait....wait....
The Aspire response must be the Lamest response ever. Let's take a good look..
We at aspire value our consumers, and want to give consumers what they want. There was no intention to give wrong information, and when we did our marketing, we did not think about the "bell-housing" when the Atlantis was marketed as Stainless Steel. The majority of the Atlantis is Stainless Steel, and we over looked the bell housing section. We sincerely apologize if people thought this was misleading.
How in the world there was NO INTENTION to give wrong information? They didn't think about the bell housing??? They over looked it? How can you over look that? THEY PERFECTLY KNEW it's chromed brass and they advertised the product as STAINLESS STEEL hoping that no one would notice. And then they apologize. No, no, no, you don't apologize if you take money from people telling lies. You give a refund, Period. I don't care if brass is CE RoHS, or safe for babies. Let me know it's chromed brass BEFORE you get the money. What happened is a FRAUD.
Second, the machining process of the chimney and bell housing is very complex, machining is time consuming in stainless steel and the cost is very expensive. By using brass, the machining is better, and more exact when it comes to high volume production.
I'm a consumer, I don't care AT ALL about the machining process.
With that said, we want you to know the current product is safe to use, and because it’s important to you our customers—we will be doing a rolling change to an all Stainless Steel construction—you talked and we listened!
And what about the people you ripped off?
Aspire will not be raising the pricing of the Atlantis due to the all Stainless Steel construction, but production time may be increased due to machining time of Stainless Steel.
Not a word on nautilus...
And how are they gonna advertise that? "Atlantis with Stainless Steel. For real, this time!!!"
We at Aspire thank you for your feedback, and be confident that Aspire’s goal is to make the best possible product to fit your vaping needs.
Thank you Aspire. Cause of you, svoemesto sells more.
The Aspire response must be the Lamest response ever. Let's take a good look..
We at aspire value our consumers, and want to give consumers what they want. There was no intention to give wrong information, and when we did our marketing, we did not think about the "bell-housing" when the Atlantis was marketed as Stainless Steel. The majority of the Atlantis is Stainless Steel, and we over looked the bell housing section. We sincerely apologize if people thought this was misleading.
How in the world there was NO INTENTION to give wrong information? They didn't think about the bell housing??? They over looked it? How can you over look that? THEY PERFECTLY KNEW it's chromed brass and they advertised the product as STAINLESS STEEL hoping that no one would notice. And then they apologize. No, no, no, you don't apologize if you take money from people telling lies. You give a refund, Period. I don't care if brass is CE RoHS, or safe for babies. Let me know it's chromed brass BEFORE you get the money. What happened is a FRAUD.
Second, the machining process of the chimney and bell housing is very complex, machining is time consuming in stainless steel and the cost is very expensive. By using brass, the machining is better, and more exact when it comes to high volume production.
I'm a consumer, I don't care AT ALL about the machining process.
With that said, we want you to know the current product is safe to use, and because it’s important to you our customers—we will be doing a rolling change to an all Stainless Steel construction—you talked and we listened!
And what about the people you ripped off?
Aspire will not be raising the pricing of the Atlantis due to the all Stainless Steel construction, but production time may be increased due to machining time of Stainless Steel.
Not a word on nautilus...
And how are they gonna advertise that? "Atlantis with Stainless Steel. For real, this time!!!"
We at Aspire thank you for your feedback, and be confident that Aspire’s goal is to make the best possible product to fit your vaping needs.
Thank you Aspire. Cause of you, svoemesto sells more.
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The chimney on the Silo Lite does not screw into anything. It sits over the coil and touches nothing. There is no wear and tear and although it is made from brass only the juice can wear the coating off it. This discussion had me curious so I took apart one of my Silo Lites.
Phibes, I have to say I'm with you on this. Maybe they read the thread, and saw that was not in their best interests to be silent on this. At least they did respond, although it was extremely late in the game. Yes, what about all those Nautilus Mini tanks that have already been bought, and the future ones yet to be built? Well they lost me as a very loyal customer. All of my vaping clearomizers were Aspire. I think I had 7 of them. I had planned to buy more too. If enough people responded like me, they would lose a big chunk of change in the long run. Oh, and I almost forgot..what about the coils? Will they come clean on that? I think it depends on what they are actually made of. I still use mine, but as I can, they will be phased out, slowly but surely. If I had the money, it would already be a done deal. I mostly use the Kayfun clone now. I will be buying more RTA's because of all this nonsense. I never thought I would, or could, deal with rebuilding. This situation put me in a place that I now see it is my future in vaping. I enjoy the RTA immensely.
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Well, Good for them! Thank you, Aspire.
And thank you, Guzz, for posting this information.
Now about that mystery fiber....
Kudo to you for all the research, postings and keeping us informed! I wish we had more USA products TBH. I hate feeling deceived and still with you on what exactly is the wicking material??? Why can't these companies just be 100% honest and let the consumer decide if that's what they want to buy and use.
I feel like we are all dealing with the shady BT companies all over again
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I love my Nautilus Mini. It works. Anything we do in terms of inhalation is going to be worse than breathing pure air. And where do you find that nowadays? It's easy to overthink this stuff, though obviously I hope that no-one is using asbestos as a wicking material.
I love my Nautilus Mini. It works. Anything we do in terms of inhalation is going to be worse than breathing pure air. And where do you find that nowadays? It's easy to overthink this stuff, though obviously I hope that no-one is using asbestos as a wicking material.
Fiberglass, if that filler indeed is made out of fiberglass as their initial lab report states, is only marginally better for inhalaltion than asbestos.
I just found this tutorial for rebuilding Nautilus coils, and the picture is a bit disconcerting, really:
And Aspire coils are not easy to clean and impossible to dry burn.
So yes, I agree with you that's it's easy to overthink things and worry too much; OTOH, I'd rather use coils that are easy to open, inspect, clean and dry burn. Or build my own. I like clean coils and wicks.
Kudo to you for all the research, postings and keeping us informed! I wish we had more USA products TBH. I hate feeling deceived and still with you on what exactly is the wicking material??? Why can't these companies just be 100% honest and let the consumer decide if that's what they want to buy and use.
I feel like we are all dealing with the shady BT companies all over again
Thanks, Angi!
I just want to know what that filler is made out of. Is it too much to ask for?
Still waiting.
Sorry for the large post, but I wanted people to be able to see the pictures.
Katya's efforts to get an answer regarding the material used in the Aspire Bottom Vertical Coils (written out so it might come up in a search) got me pondering. Then I recalled that Todd (of Todd's Reviews) had taken one apart in a video. When I watched it again it confirmed what I thought I remembered. Here's a link to the full review of the Nautilus mini.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7Zgvd-nYQ
Now here are some screen shots of him taking apart a BVC.
The bottom comes apart like most heads: pin, then rubber gasket with wire through it.
Then he flips it over and we see the top.
Resting on the filler is a thin metal mesh disk. Todd said it looked like stainless steel.
At this point, Todd laughed and said it looked like a cartomizer.
He then proceeded to pull it out. Do you see fibers? I do.
As he rolled it around in his fingers he commented that he wasn't sure what sort of wicking material could be used to re-wick it, but that cotton might work. Cotton. This gives us an idea of the texture.
Once apart, he again remarked that it is like a carto, but that's not true. The coil in a carto is inside of a "sock" (I seem to recall it's made of silica) and doesn't actually touch the filler.
What got me started on this search was trying to explain to someone that the term "ceramic" isn't specific. There are many types of ceramic, for different applications, made of different materials. Watching Todd's video, it's obvious that the material Aspire is using is a textile of some sort. The results of a search for "Ceramic Textiles" and "Ceramic Cloth" are mostly 3M/Nextel. Seriously, what are the chances a Chinese manufacturer is buying products from 3M?
The results of a search for "Ceramic Cloth China" is worrisome. This is just an example:
China Ceramic Fiber Cloth, Ceramic Fiber Cloth Manufacturers & Suppliers - Made-in-China.com
A sample product description:
The ceramic fiber textile includes Ceramic fiber cloth ,ceramic fiber tape, and ceramic fiber rope are very flexible fabrics, which is processed with ceramic fiber spun bulk, alkali-free glass filament and high-temperature resistant stainless alloy wires through special processing.
Insert material of metal wire and fiberglass filament are incorporated into the yarn
To increase tensile strength of the fabrics both before and after exposure to heat.
Typical applications of cloth ,tapes include gaskets, seals, furnace and welding curtains
Or pipe wrapping.
Katya's efforts to get an answer regarding the material used in the Aspire Bottom Vertical Coils (written out so it might come up in a search) got me pondering. Then I recalled that Todd (of Todd's Reviews) had taken one apart in a video. When I watched it again it confirmed what I thought I remembered. Here's a link to the full review of the Nautilus mini.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7Zgvd-nYQ
Now here are some screen shots of him taking apart a BVC.
The bottom comes apart like most heads: pin, then rubber gasket with wire through it.
Then he flips it over and we see the top.
Resting on the filler is a thin metal mesh disk. Todd said it looked like stainless steel.
At this point, Todd laughed and said it looked like a cartomizer.
He then proceeded to pull it out. Do you see fibers? I do.
As he rolled it around in his fingers he commented that he wasn't sure what sort of wicking material could be used to re-wick it, but that cotton might work. Cotton. This gives us an idea of the texture.
Once apart, he again remarked that it is like a carto, but that's not true. The coil in a carto is inside of a "sock" (I seem to recall it's made of silica) and doesn't actually touch the filler.
What got me started on this search was trying to explain to someone that the term "ceramic" isn't specific. There are many types of ceramic, for different applications, made of different materials. Watching Todd's video, it's obvious that the material Aspire is using is a textile of some sort. The results of a search for "Ceramic Textiles" and "Ceramic Cloth" are mostly 3M/Nextel. Seriously, what are the chances a Chinese manufacturer is buying products from 3M?
The results of a search for "Ceramic Cloth China" is worrisome. This is just an example:
China Ceramic Fiber Cloth, Ceramic Fiber Cloth Manufacturers & Suppliers - Made-in-China.com
A sample product description:
The ceramic fiber textile includes Ceramic fiber cloth ,ceramic fiber tape, and ceramic fiber rope are very flexible fabrics, which is processed with ceramic fiber spun bulk, alkali-free glass filament and high-temperature resistant stainless alloy wires through special processing.
Insert material of metal wire and fiberglass filament are incorporated into the yarn
To increase tensile strength of the fabrics both before and after exposure to heat.
Typical applications of cloth ,tapes include gaskets, seals, furnace and welding curtains
Or pipe wrapping.
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Fiberglass, if that filler indeed is made out of fiberglass as their initial lab report states, is only marginally better for inhalaltion than asbestos.
I just found this tutorial for rebuilding Nautilus coils, and the picture is a bit disconcerting, really:
And Aspire coils are not easy to clean and impossible to dry burn.
So yes, I agree with you that's it's easy to overthink things and worry too much; OTOH, I'd rather use coils that are easy to open, inspect, clean and dry burn. Or build my own. I like clean coils and wicks.
It certainly is thought provoking when you consider that gunky coil would be touching the filler material.
Ah - I was just reminded of a prior post I made regarding the ceramic filler. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...as-chromed-brass-chimney-18.html#post14672199
This ceramic material is,of course,exclusively researched and developed by the Aspire Company,and is only accessible by our manufacturing company,shenzhen Eigate Technology Co.,Ltd.
Gee, all I could find out about Shenzhen Eigate Technology Co., Ltd. is that they appear to only manufacture vaping products. Wouldn't R & D and manufacturing of ceramic cloth be a fairly large operation on it's own? And if they already had the equipment, wouldn't they be selling the products in other markets? Maybe the ceramic division has a different name. mmmmm-kay.
http://eigate.en.made-in-china.com/
This ceramic material is,of course,exclusively researched and developed by the Aspire Company,and is only accessible by our manufacturing company,shenzhen Eigate Technology Co.,Ltd.
Gee, all I could find out about Shenzhen Eigate Technology Co., Ltd. is that they appear to only manufacture vaping products. Wouldn't R & D and manufacturing of ceramic cloth be a fairly large operation on it's own? And if they already had the equipment, wouldn't they be selling the products in other markets? Maybe the ceramic division has a different name. mmmmm-kay.
http://eigate.en.made-in-china.com/
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Methinks part of the gunk may as well be the filler material...
Look at Phil's video (go to 14min into the video)--this stuff burns on contact when dry:
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My guess is it is a repurposed existing material of some sort, most likely a fiberglass...
Methinks part of the gunk may as well be the filler material...
Look at Phil's video (go to 14min into the video)--this stuff burns on contact when dry:
Oh lord! There was a thread earlier today that had some people recommending dry burning Aspire BVCs.
That stuff has me confused. If it's ceramic, why does it burn so easily? What's the point of using it?
ETA: Could the mesh disk be there to keep one from inhaling burnt fibers?
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Very bad idea. The filler comes in direct contact with the coil.
Don't ask me, dear. Whatever you say about amorphous silica used to make our wicks, it doesn't burn and it doesn't crumble or shred if it's braided properly. FDA approved. If they wanted a material that is non-flammable (or fire resistant), why not use that?
My favorite video. I'm posting it because I like watching it...
Or to keep the larger fiberglass/ceramic particles from getting into your mouth?
Whatever one may say about cartomizers and the filler used in them, at least that polyfill stayed intact and didn't crumble into your joose. I know--I've dissected dozens of them. That wad of polyfill burned when it was allowed to dry out, but it didn't disintegrate.
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I accidentally made some polyfill at work once. It is PET, which burns and off gasses at a higher temp than we vape at- over 490 degrees, so is safe...
UGH...don't like the word "fiberglass" related to any vaping gear I use. Microscopic particles can easily get through some small little mesh cage but will cause havoc in the lungs. Not happy with this filler type if this is in fact what it is. Not happy with the name "ceramic" filler either.
I really liked these BVC coils but I maybe tossing them all.
I really liked these BVC coils but I maybe tossing them all.
Methinks part of the gunk may as well be the filler material...
Look at Phil's video (go to 14min into the video)--this stuff burns on contact when dry:
Just want to add something after watching the video, specifically about removal of the glass tank. Aspire is aware that it is EXTREMELY difficult to remove after some use. They are going to modify things slightly to make it easier to remove the glass tank. I believe it will be implemented when they change over to the stainless steel chimney. Just as a FYI.
Not sure what to say about the wicking material, except keep it wet and obviously DON'T dry burn it.
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