Why not just call it "rayon," then? Calling it "cotton" implies that it comes from the cotton plant. "Man-made cotton" is like saying "natural synthetic fiber." Which one is it?
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Why not just call it "rayon," then? Calling it "cotton" implies that it comes from the cotton plant. "Man-made cotton" is like saying "natural synthetic fiber." Which one is it?
Maybe they mean "Non-Organic" cotton? (implying that synthetic agricultural chemicals or machinery that doesn't meet the organic certifications is used in the processing of it)
Well, they say "man-made cotton wick," not man-made cotton. They also say that long outer strip (wick) is organic cotton. In other words, the wick is man made out of organic cotton.
That's my understanding.Rayon is cellulose, it's made from wood pulp... So it's not synthetic.
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jazzman said:
Thanks for the reviews guys!!
I was waiting to see how these coils were going to vape (and how long they'd last), before I bought some.. And want to finish these last couple ceramic coils. $15 for a 5-pack, nicee!! I almost bought my IPV3 from VapeNW on ebay, maybe I'll grab my IPV Mini2 and a Subtank Mini from them.
Btw, do you guys prime your coils with juice, and than let it soak in the tank for a few minutes, before vaping??
I always take my juice bottle or dropper cap, and drop a good few drops of liquid around the inside of the coil. I try to saturate that area of the coil really good, in the center of the coil; right where it heats up.. I usually juice up the middle until I see that the wick on the outside of every juice hole is wet.
Than another small drop or 2 on top of the mesh on each side, and I let the coil soak in the fresh tank of juice for at least 10 minutes.
I've never had a dry hit with 60% up to 90% VG juice; usually on my mech, or IPV3 @ about 24w.. Sometimes I'll give it a few "primer puffs" if I've been vaping it hard.
Reallyy can't wait to try out the new COTTON Coils!!
Do they have any kind of "paper" on the outside of them (between the wick and juice holes?)?
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Elvis has the right of it, it's rayon (sometimes known under the brand name cellucotton). I started writing up a post for the other thread about the other material, but have been really short on time. It's known under it's other name as mineral wool (they're really trying not to use their normal known-by names) which should allow you to google until I can bore everyone with stats over coffee later this evening.
Thanks for the reviews guys!!
I was waiting to see how these coils were going to vape (and how long they'd last), before I bought some.. And want to finish these last couple ceramic coils. $15 for a 5-pack, nicee!! I almost bought my IPV3 from VapeNW on ebay, maybe I'll grab my IPV Mini2 and a Subtank Mini from them.
Btw, do you guys prime your coils with juice, and than let it soak in the tank for a few minutes, before vaping??
I always take my juice bottle or dropper cap, and drop a good few drops of liquid around the inside of the coil. I try to saturate that area of the coil really good, in the center of the coil; right where it heats up.. I usually juice up the middle until I see that the wick on the outside of every juice hole is wet.
Than another small drop or 2 on top of the mesh on each side, and I let the coil soak in the fresh tank of juice for at least 10 minutes.
I've never had a dry hit with 60% up to 90% VG juice; usually on my mech, or IPV3 @ about 24w.. Sometimes I'll give it a few "primer puffs" if I've been vaping it hard.
Reallyy can't wait to try out the new COTTON Coils!!
Foggy, I'm on my 7th day with the first cotton coil and it's still doing well. No dry hits with 70VG and no flavor deterioration, so I'd say it's lasting well for me. It's just the first coil so I can't speak about consistency of coils at this point, but so far I'm pleased with it.
For break-in I drop a few drops on the coil before screwing the tank together then give it 2 to 3 minutes. Then I start at 11watts and vape it until I get a good vapor flow then take it up to my preferred wattage. For me that's 25watts. By vaping initially at a low wattage the heat thins the juice enough to make it easily saturate the coil without risk of burning and I know when I start getting decent vapor it's properly wicked. Granted the flavor will be a bit lacking at 11watts, but that will happen once turned up to a higher wattage. This is the same way I wicked the older coils and I've never burned a coil this way. Some of my friends just juice it up, give it a couple of minutes and crank it up to 35 to 45watts immediately. They've burned their fair share of coils, and for some reason they continue to vape it thinking it will get better after burning it. Obviously these aren't my brightest friends, but they think it works for them so whatever.
I still haven't used a VG higher than 70%, so I'll let someone that's tried that respond.
Let me know what you think when you get some to try out.
Ok so I dissected one of the new cotton Atlantis heads purchased from Kidney Puncher which came in a standard Atlantis Coil Head 5 pack and took some pics. This was used for four days and I tried to be careful about not dry burning it including the original priming when it was new. The max wattage was 35 watts and that was just for a maybe 10 pulls at most just for testing. It was used at 30 watts most of the time, starting off at 25 watts.
This is after a couple of days. I had to try and see if it was really different than the original heads and I was happy to see the layers more easily since it was wet and slightly used.
This is what came out after four days. Two separate pads of layered cotton. This shows the first layer removed from one of the pads. Evidently its still burning through just like before. It actually burned holes in the first two layers.
Another pic of the two pads with all the layers spread out from one of them. The cotton wrap which blocks the holes from letting ejuice pour in is still inside the head.
I was curious to see if I could tear one of the layers apart to see how closely it really seems like pure cotton and I could not tear it. So as a test I dried it as much as possible and burned it with a lighter. Happily it did not melt and burned quickly to a fine ash and smelled pretty much like paper.
So there you have it. I'm pretty much going to have to say I will not be using any form of factory replacement heads from Aspire and will continue to rebuild them with a horizontal coil using rayon (cellucotton). Also, after receiving my first Kanger subtank (mini) on Monday I definitely believe that those are the best and only sub ohm tanks I would use. It works super great and matches the Atlantis in vapor and may even slightly beat it in flavor. Airflow wide open on the subtank mini is equal to the Atlantis on the second largest airflow setting. I could go on but there are other threads for that.
This is after a couple of days. I had to try and see if it was really different than the original heads and I was happy to see the layers more easily since it was wet and slightly used.
This is what came out after four days. Two separate pads of layered cotton. This shows the first layer removed from one of the pads. Evidently its still burning through just like before. It actually burned holes in the first two layers.
Another pic of the two pads with all the layers spread out from one of them. The cotton wrap which blocks the holes from letting ejuice pour in is still inside the head.
I was curious to see if I could tear one of the layers apart to see how closely it really seems like pure cotton and I could not tear it. So as a test I dried it as much as possible and burned it with a lighter. Happily it did not melt and burned quickly to a fine ash and smelled pretty much like paper.
So there you have it. I'm pretty much going to have to say I will not be using any form of factory replacement heads from Aspire and will continue to rebuild them with a horizontal coil using rayon (cellucotton). Also, after receiving my first Kanger subtank (mini) on Monday I definitely believe that those are the best and only sub ohm tanks I would use. It works super great and matches the Atlantis in vapor and may even slightly beat it in flavor. Airflow wide open on the subtank mini is equal to the Atlantis on the second largest airflow setting. I could go on but there are other threads for that.
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@nopoison - thanks for the pics.
Why wouldn't you use the stock coils?
The previous issue was the BVC using 'ceramic' material as opposed to cotton,.
Your pics show the ceramic material is gone.....
And the burning, would seem to indicate lack of saturation due to... high wattage for the vape style?
I'm glad to see the ceramic gone.
Why wouldn't you use the stock coils?
The previous issue was the BVC using 'ceramic' material as opposed to cotton,.
Your pics show the ceramic material is gone.....
And the burning, would seem to indicate lack of saturation due to... high wattage for the vape style?
I'm glad to see the ceramic gone.
Whenever I rewick my Atlantis coil with MUJI Organic Cotton, I prime it with several drops of juice in the center, then let it sit with the tank for 1-2 hours, before I prime-suck it several times.
And still, some 'cotton-ny' taste muted my juice flavor, and it will last up to 10-15 puff. After that it's OK. With my feellife juice, this wick can last 12-15 ml, before the cotton gets brown due to the coil gets darken with juice's gunk.
I'm wondering if the new OCC coil head offer the same experience ( cotton-ny taste on initial draw, eventhough it already primed for 1-2 hrs ).
And still, some 'cotton-ny' taste muted my juice flavor, and it will last up to 10-15 puff. After that it's OK. With my feellife juice, this wick can last 12-15 ml, before the cotton gets brown due to the coil gets darken with juice's gunk.
I'm wondering if the new OCC coil head offer the same experience ( cotton-ny taste on initial draw, eventhough it already primed for 1-2 hrs ).
It may be the problem with the design in general. Aspire (and now Delta) use vertical coils that must be tightly wrapped in layers of filler, just like cartomizers. Those layers possibly trap the heat more than horizontal thin wicks do. So, unless the material used next to the coil is flame resistant, it will scorch easily, especially at higher temperatures. Pure speculation on my part; I've never used Aspire BVC coils, but I have a lot of experience with cartomizers.
There was a reason why Aspire used ceramic/fiberglass with this design to begin with.
I would use them in a pinch since its all cotton now but it just doesnt seem suitable for my style of vaping. I think its the design being that it is only a 3/4 wrap coil all the heat is very concentrated in the center. I dont really know whats wrong but I just see too much combustion with this design. Plus with them not even lasting a week its very cost prohibitive.
I just received a new pack of coils for the Nautilus and noticed they looked different too. The holes at the base look about 2X as big as the previous version, and the filler wick is much whiter in color too. I find it really strange that they didn't make any mention of making the change (other than they are looking into it) on their website.
See this thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...us-mini-bvc-w-larger-wicking-holes-stock.html
The are causing flooding issues. I suspect mostly for mouth-to-lung hitters with the airflow turned down.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...us-mini-bvc-w-larger-wicking-holes-stock.html
The are causing flooding issues. I suspect mostly for mouth-to-lung hitters with the airflow turned down.
I have the new coils, too, and haven't had any flooding issues in my Nautilus or Nautilus mini yet. The Aspire forum has been very quiet lately, and the question I posted last week asking about these still hasn't even showed up on the forum. I personally liked the previous design better. I'm almost positive these are cotton, because I can taste the cotton in my vape. I also wasn't paying attention, ran the tank dry, and got a nasty cotton dry hit. It tasted very different compaired to a dry hit I once got from the other material. I know this is going to sound strange, given the controversy of the ceramic fiber material, but these coils just don't taste as clean to me. It's hard to describe, but my go to ADVs just don't taste the same to me.
So happy to see that Tina finally responded to my query (posted on February 12).
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I have genuine Aspire Atlantis coils made from cotton so they defiantly make them in cotton now and there's tons of other proof to back that up. I'm hoping you guys already came to that conclusion though since this post is 70 pages long but anyway the Atlantis is a tank of the past now. The Starre from FreeMax tops everything else in the market including the Arctic and unlike the Atlantis, the Starre truly outperforms the good majority of RDAs and RTAs for flavor and vapor production. On top of that, the Starre has a 5ml juice capacity and is compatible with the majority of the other sub ohm coils on the market.
Yes, we know. If you go back a few pages you will see I dissected one to verify they are all cotton as claimed.
Now, about the Starre, I suspect from your screen name and this post you have some stake in this game. If that's true ECF will sniff that out with a quickness.
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