Great stuff MrsMojoRisin, but will it burn the Koh Gen Do? Please let us know when you find out, along with the watts you used it at.
Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
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Great stuff MrsMojoRisin, but will it burn the Koh Gen Do? Please let us know when you find out, along with the watts you used it at.
Well, what they've done is similar in design, though it does look a bit different. I actually think of these heads as cartos, but I don't know of an existing carto that is designed for 30 watt use and I think this is what the changes address.
Right now I'm using it on a Skeleton Key Clone, so on a fresh charge that puts me just over 24 watts. No problems yet, although I have only run one tank through it and avoiding chain vaping until I'm certain the wicking can keep up.
No such carto exists; 8 watts is the limit, in my experience. Due to their size (9mm diameter), poor cartos have no room to breathe, the filler is wrapped tightly around the hot coil and all it takes is a bit of dry pocket in the polyfill to start the smoldering.
The conditions are much improved when the carto is tanked and the coil has a constant, steady supply of eliquid, but even in a tank I wouldn't take a carto beyond 9-10 watts. No airflow. Tiny coil.Most Nautilus users vape at ~11 watts or so. But Atlantis at 30 and 50 watts??? I don't know about that.
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Their BDC coils are like that--exactly like teeny weeny baby cartos--two horizontal coils (not pictured) and two layers of wrap (polyfill?).
But there were complaints about those coils--some worked well, some didn't, and somebody at Eigate came up with the idea of switching to a single vertical coil instead of two horizontal ones (good idea) and fiberglass (bad idea).
One step forward, two steps back.
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as i sit here with bvc coils which i'm not sure exactly what they were made for... but pretty certain they weren't for the atlantis or nautilus (though they are aspire), Koh Gen Do and Sesheido pads... i can't help but think that there's a high likelihood the Sesheido pads would be a whole lot easier to stuff into such a small head and wrap properly. the pad itself isn't quite as thick and fluffy as the KGD pads. less loose fibers when split also.
though, i'm not exactly sure the size of the BVC heads i don't have, so can't say i'm even remotely sure the sesheido would fit better. but i'm pretty confident there's a good chance.
Their BDC coils are like that--exactly like teeny weeny baby cartos--two horizontal coils (not pictured) and two layers of wrap (polyfill?).
But there were complaints about those coils--some worked well, some didn't, and somebody at Eigate came up with the idea of switching to a single vertical coil instead of two horizontal ones (good idea) and fiberglass (bad idea).
One step forward, two steps back.
ahhh, to reminisce. i've learned (as i'm sure many of us can relate) to walk in such a manner several times in my life. thank you aspire for a fond trip down memory lane.
Well i'm glad I don't use a nautilus any more, my lungs were getting pretty bad and I never got more than 1ml without nasty metal flavoring seeping in to my juice.
Most of you understood what I meant. I can see a potential to be attracted to products that come closest to duplicating smoking - which includes various forms of combustion and combustion is one of the things that made smoking so lethal.
I.e. "more huge vwapor" may not always be a good thing if we want harm reduction.
Vapors developed these products to keep vaping and hopefully help others dump cigarettes. We are pioneers and guinea pigs. It's a duty to stay vigulant and question products. Even though one aspect may not work to its desired goal, doesnt mean the whole design / company should be scrapped, had malicious intent, or anything nefarious.
China has gotten the message of "more huge vwapor" and more power does that. Even with evidence of combustion, I suspect the chances are slim that anything harmful would be detected. IMO I dont think the standards or the equip have been developed, invented or imagined yet. This is new territory.
I'm a low power vaper and I'll be pulling one of these apart too.
We know the harms from smoking and we know vaping is less harmful. That is why that statement is relevent.
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I.e. "more huge vwapor" may not always be a good thing if we want harm reduction.
Vapors developed these products to keep vaping and hopefully help others dump cigarettes. We are pioneers and guinea pigs. It's a duty to stay vigulant and question products. Even though one aspect may not work to its desired goal, doesnt mean the whole design / company should be scrapped, had malicious intent, or anything nefarious.
China has gotten the message of "more huge vwapor" and more power does that. Even with evidence of combustion, I suspect the chances are slim that anything harmful would be detected. IMO I dont think the standards or the equip have been developed, invented or imagined yet. This is new territory.
I'm a low power vaper and I'll be pulling one of these apart too.
We know the harms from smoking and we know vaping is less harmful. That is why that statement is relevent.
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Based on my knowledge of byproducts of combustion and incomplete combustion, I totally disagree. I only do so because there are facts available about combustion byproducts that we can reference in the here and now.
The question will be are the levels of undesirable combustion byproducts at high temps going to be at or below what we consider safe as defined by OSHA set levels, which are the only really published levels accepted by government, who sets the laws and regulations. They would look to this as a precedent reference. Medical references will always advise zero exposure because of the liability of saying otherwise.
If you're low power you may not face the combustion issues. I am not sure at what power or temp level the wicking compounds decompose at, but I am sure there is a safe level. That doesn't address loose material making its way up the chimney.
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You probably have it figured out by now but I'll add my limited knowledge just in case it helps someone
The Altantis coils are much bigger than the Nautilus BVC so I am assuming they are easier to rewrap. I cut a strip of KGD and pulled out most of the batting from the inside of the pad so I was left with a strip of the woven cotton with very little of the looser cotton still attached. I also used the juice I was going to fill the tank and wet the woven KDG before wrapping. It definitely made a tighter wrap and helped hold it in place while replacing it into the head. I think I should have inserted it from the bottom, I twisted it into place from the top and I think I made it harder than it could have been. I've yet to use Shiseido so I cannot comment on them. I think the one aspect that worried me the most about the Aspire wicking material was that I did not notice ant drastic change of flavor when the wick started to burn. I may have been vaping on it for days with a charred head, this is what makes me nervous. I'm sure KGD is not perfect but at least I can taste a burnt hit and correct the situation from there. Not knowing you have a problem is where I see the "danger".
I also want to add, some people might not be concerned by this but I am extra cautious lately. My husband had Leukemia last year (he's in remission) and we have done a major overhaul on what we put into our bodies since. We were both smokers for 20+ and I finally convinced him vaping was a viable alternative when he was diagnosed. I know vaping is not 100% safe but cigarettes are 100% poison, so for now, I will vape and try to keep it as safe as possible.
Anyone see this post from Aspire?
Post subject: Re: How safe are the BVC’s? Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:27 am
Thanks very much for the concern and information.
But we need to clarify that there is not shards of glass silica you mentioned in our coils material, before using the material, we did thousands of tests to confirm the safety. We also use our products we sold.
About the details of our coil,please refer here: Aspire Support: •View topic - Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
Have a nice day!
Thousands?
Aspire Support: •View topic - How safe are the BVC
"Support: &bull" is right.
Post subject: Re: How safe are the BVC’s? Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:27 am
Thanks very much for the concern and information.
But we need to clarify that there is not shards of glass silica you mentioned in our coils material, before using the material, we did thousands of tests to confirm the safety. We also use our products we sold.
About the details of our coil,please refer here: Aspire Support: •View topic - Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
Have a nice day!
Thousands?
Aspire Support: •View topic - How safe are the BVC
"Support: &bull" is right.
I agree that China has gotten the message of "more huge vapor" alright. I just want to make sure that they do so in a responsible manner. There are two companies that have been in the game from the very beginning and are very business savvy and well aware of the political climate in the States and EU--they know that the FDA and other governmental agencies all over the world are trying to curb, if not ban, vaping altogether, and they are playing the game by delivering products that are safe to use. But there are plenty of new kids on the vaping block who just want to make a quick buck. I have nothing personally against Eigate Aspire--and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I won't trust their products just because representative Tina on their website tells me that the ceramic paper is just dandy.
And while we're on the subject of more huge vapor, look at this video. You don't have to watch the whole thing--just start at 1:30 min and watch what happens at about 2 minutes...
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And while we're on the subject of more huge vapor, look at this video. You don't have to watch the whole thing--just start at 1:30 min and watch what happens at about 2 minutes...
Ony foh pofessional vapah!
I subscribed to his youtube channel. He has fun videos like going out with friends to a Chinese bar and what he has for breakfast.
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Definitely does that.
I subohm'd this coil. At some point, the saturation fails as shown by the missing material that they directly address in this statement that is designed to act as a barrier to ceramic wick. They do not define what 'ceramic wick' is.
Thats a plus but what does off-gassing mean in this context? Within what temperature range? What about particulate exposure when the cotton layer burns away? I've used lab testing for materials before and its not real world application based - is it possible real world use can result in different performance of the product? BTW, you need these tests for import approval in some places in Europe, so this testing is a requirement to sell it, and not part of their research - similar to European SVHC testing (Substances of Very High Concern certificate). This came into effect after the lead-in-toys-paint issue a while back.
Fully encased in cotton... until its not. I'd like to know how they define "proper use". Is my 2 week use at 11W-14W within that range or did I go outside an unpublished use level?
"performed as designed" - what is the performance window as defined by the engineers of this product?
I'll email them my photos and questions and see what they come back with. If I get a reply I will share it here.
Anyone see this post from Aspire?
Post subject: Re: How safe are the BVC’s? Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:27 am
Thanks very much for the concern and information.
But we need to clarify that there is not shards of glass silica you mentioned in our coils material, before using the material, we did thousands of tests to confirm the safety. We also use our products we sold.
About the details of our coil,please refer here: Aspire Support: •View topic - Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
Have a nice day!
Thousands?
Isn't this the same as the OP? I'm getting confused.
Hehehehe, this is another one from August--and the lab report is still there.
Probably. I'm often more confused than you will ever be.
Hehehehe, this is another one from August--and the lab report is still there.
i'm not completely sure english is this kids second language. but i am sure this kid is severely mentally challenged. i don't even want to point out something wrong in the video. i want to find something right in the video. it's going to take some serious effort and man hours.
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