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its aspires own material so they should have more info for the consumer when they are asked about their "ceramic" material
Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
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its aspires own material so they should have more info for the consumer when they are asked about their "ceramic" material
I learned from dealing with their support staff and the inconsistencies I had with their atomizers to not trust Aspires word at all. I am sure they outsource for their materials to whoever has the cheapest available at the time so it would surprise me if they do give a better explanation for the material if it all.
We'll see. The problem is most vapers attack in forums rather than make serious inquries. I hope that taking the approach in the letter, free from prejudice or aggressive language that they will be more disposed to a reasonable answer. But also the lack of an answer is as indicative as any answer and can be taken as a sign that they simply don't know, or did not do the research to that line of inquiry. Net result will be you are dealing with a "known unknown" and if the manufacturer does this, you know there was no hazard control that they are willing to disclose. If they have positive controls and knowledge of no-harm found, they would publish it instantly.
It is worth pointing out something here that just occurred to me regarding cotton. When discussing cotton it should be pointed out that normal vaping does not involve complete combustion of cotton, and done right not even partial.
Consider that cotton is a cellulose based material. So is the paper wrapped around cigarettes. We know smoking involves both complete and incomplete combustion of that cellulose based paper on a per dose, per exposure basis. I would suggest that you have far more exposure over time to this with cigarettes than you do with cotton in a properly controlled build. No science behind that claim, just a thought. Feel free to poke holes.
Consider that cotton is a cellulose based material. So is the paper wrapped around cigarettes. We know smoking involves both complete and incomplete combustion of that cellulose based paper on a per dose, per exposure basis. I would suggest that you have far more exposure over time to this with cigarettes than you do with cotton in a properly controlled build. No science behind that claim, just a thought. Feel free to poke holes.
Excellent point; if you dont dry hit inhale then you will be fine.
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question becomes that this is aspires own "patented" material and we would like more info please.
cotton or organic cotton is relatively a generic product, if they do use it, and they say they do use it in the bvc coils, we can ask for their supplier but afaik no atomizer states who supplies their wicking material that they use for their coils, eg, kanger.
point being aspire claims that their "ceramic" material is their own "patented" wicking material so more info would be nice.
and yes atomizer manufactures should state the coil composition and who manufactures their wicking/coil materials, it shouldnt be a secret.
same goes for ejuice suppliers/makers
the more info we have the better for the vaping industry and the end users/consumers
cotton or organic cotton is relatively a generic product, if they do use it, and they say they do use it in the bvc coils, we can ask for their supplier but afaik no atomizer states who supplies their wicking material that they use for their coils, eg, kanger.
point being aspire claims that their "ceramic" material is their own "patented" wicking material so more info would be nice.
and yes atomizer manufactures should state the coil composition and who manufactures their wicking/coil materials, it shouldnt be a secret.
same goes for ejuice suppliers/makers
the more info we have the better for the vaping industry and the end users/consumers
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That's what raises my suspicions with them as a company in a whole. This isn't the first time I have seen Aspire not respond and usually they are simple solutions people can find on other forums or videos. If they do respond they respond with solutions that don't fit the issue and as I previously stated look like they copy and pasted them. Its almost as if they have the response pasted to a folder on their desktop for easy access.
I was surprised to get even the answer I got so far. I am hopeful my approach will yield a better result. One can only ask questions - speculation in this case is useless, and while I have access to university lab analysis resources, it would still cost quite a bit to analyze the material in order to get a useful and publishable result. I've done this in another business already, so I know the procedures and costs well. In fact any of you could do it with a couple of phone calls, university lab students love this sort of stuff.
The problem is partly business culture too. In North America and Europe, intellectual property is protected, but its balanced with the need for disclosure and consumer safety. The business culture in China steals IP and clones products so regularly that if they do do something innovative, if they disclose enough information, someone will copy it and they will lose their market advantage, so the default behavior is to disclose nothing. Also health protection of consumers is trumped by economics over there so even in the face of a less than healthy product, they are most likely to prioritize profits over human health. Its the double edge sword of dealing with that part of the world - we all want cheap products and we reward the economic relationship with have with Asia in that manner, but the cost is what you see happening now.
Just look at Fasttech for an example of that. The IP theft on that site is nothing short of astounding. In fact, I speculate its worse than that - the quality of some clone items is so close to the original I suspect the contracted factories are kicking their sponsors products out the back door as they supply the company that ordered the original product to spec. Its not even IP copying, its outright product theft. Why run 5000 of an order when you can easily run 10,000 and liquidate the product at no cost other than time and materials? Software piracy was just the infant model for this.
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Or you can test the material at your expense in the country you reside. It will be much faster then waiting for aspire.
Hi guys. I'm in need for new coils for my Nautilus mini and this thread has me wondering what to order.
So is this the popular opinion that there are no mysteries with BDCs and they are the healthier option?
So is this the popular opinion that there are no mysteries with BDCs and they are the healthier option?
You will get a lot of opinions and nobody here really knows much more than most common atomizers are combinations of kanthal, nickel (some debate on that), cotton and silica. It really depends on the tank unless you choose to rebuild the atomizer.
Thats like asking if the Green Apple is healthier then a Red Apple.
Buy what you want to use, not what flaky opinions told you to.
Asking Aspire for answers is akin to asking Ted Bundy for chaperone services to your daughters prom. It's dumb and a waste of time. They are a corporation selling products; they are not seeking truth. They are in defensive mode. They are in limit liability mode and at the end of the day, they could care less about health. This is merely my opinion and not a statement of fact. Yes, everyone knows this. I took apart another coil and here are the pics. I also posted a pic I already posted showing the ceramic material all degraded sitting on the screen. I am not vaping these coils anymore but rebuilding with KGD. The outer, outer sheath, that covers the holes to the coil head seems to be in perfect condition so I will leave that in on my rebuilds. Does anyone know what this material is made of? Is it cotton or the unknown material? It is not near the coil so it's integrity is not compromised. As has been pointed out, the unknown material is completely breaking down as evidenced by the holes in the small squares shown in these pics and other pics. Does anyone have pics of a regular Aspire BVC coil from the Nautilus? Is this same material in that head as well?
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That looks like its been scorched and dry burned over and over.
This is what mine looked like after about 30ml of juice. 70-80vg at 25watts.
This is what mine looked like after about 30ml of juice. 70-80vg at 25watts.
I think that one of the only ways we can find out if ceramic paper and all the other wicking materials are viable and safe options is to wait for Farsalinos to do wicking research... Which he will most certainly want to do along with a metal research (i.e. kanthal vs nichrome vs nickle vs etc...).
But to do that, we will need to give to his future crowd funding application. I find it sad that people gave 71 027$ to the PVA box mod project in only 18 days surpassing it's goal by 43 027$ whereas it took basically twice this time for Farsalinos to reach the same amount by the skin of their teeth and only surpassing his goal by 1 121$ thanks to Dimitris "Vape shop Ice bucket challenge"..
I have nothing against the PVA project, more power to Peg, but it goes to show what's more important to people, gear vs knowledge. On the other hand I'm glad that Farsalinos reached it's goal.
In the mean time... Let's vape the way we want to vape.
But to do that, we will need to give to his future crowd funding application. I find it sad that people gave 71 027$ to the PVA box mod project in only 18 days surpassing it's goal by 43 027$ whereas it took basically twice this time for Farsalinos to reach the same amount by the skin of their teeth and only surpassing his goal by 1 121$ thanks to Dimitris "Vape shop Ice bucket challenge"..
I have nothing against the PVA project, more power to Peg, but it goes to show what's more important to people, gear vs knowledge. On the other hand I'm glad that Farsalinos reached it's goal.
In the mean time... Let's vape the way we want to vape.
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Hey look! No ceramic or fiberglass! 
These coils are SO easy to rebuild like this!! If you have ever rebuilt Protank or Evod heads you will love doing these. And even if you haven't consider yourself lucky if this is your first replacement head rebuild! I say the hell with the vertical coil as this simple horizontal build gives outstanding flavor and vapor and at 1.1 ohms Eleaf iStick owners can use this build too. I run it at 20 watts.
6 wraps with 28g kanthal wire around a 5/64" or 2mm drill bit - its just wicks and vapes great with cotton and its my go to tank from here on out! Sorry Fogger, Orchid, Lemo and Billow! Well maybe not Billow if I really want a dual coil dripper like tank but I have drippers for that!
If you have questions there is another thread about rebuilding these Atlantis heads right here -->http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/coil-builds/635637-anyone-rebuilt-aspire-atlantis-coil.html
These coils are SO easy to rebuild like this!! If you have ever rebuilt Protank or Evod heads you will love doing these. And even if you haven't consider yourself lucky if this is your first replacement head rebuild! I say the hell with the vertical coil as this simple horizontal build gives outstanding flavor and vapor and at 1.1 ohms Eleaf iStick owners can use this build too. I run it at 20 watts. 6 wraps with 28g kanthal wire around a 5/64" or 2mm drill bit - its just wicks and vapes great with cotton and its my go to tank from here on out! Sorry Fogger, Orchid, Lemo and Billow! Well maybe not Billow if I really want a dual coil dripper like tank but I have drippers for that!
If you have questions there is another thread about rebuilding these Atlantis heads right here -->http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/coil-builds/635637-anyone-rebuilt-aspire-atlantis-coil.html
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Hey look! No ceramic or fiberglass!
6 wraps with 28g kanthal wire around a 5/64" or 2mm drill bit - its just wicks and vapes great with cotton and its my go to tank from here on out! Sorry Fogger, Orchid, Lemo and Billow! Well maybe not Billow if I really want a dual coil dripper like tank but I have drippers for that!
If you have questions there is another thread about rebuilding these Atlantis heads right here -->http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/coil-builds/635637-anyone-rebuilt-aspire-atlantis-coil.html
Great stuff nopoison! If you go to 27 gauge wire or raise the resistance to say 1.3 ohms with 28 g, you can get this build to 30 watts with no burning as long as the wick can keep up. I know this isn't everyone's goal, but the originals are spec'ed to 30 watts max. It would be neat to know if the horizontal setup can go that high and what it would perform like.
I've tried 26ga,7 wraps w/ 28ga and even did a parallel build on a larger coil after drilling the holes and used higher wattage and nothing really performs that much better so this is my sweet spot for flavor and vapor and might as well save a little battery!
If you can stuff a 24g coil in there, then ill be really impressed.
Yeah..24g is my favorite size wire.
Yeah..24g is my favorite size wire.
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